Concerning the gift of tongues

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Lamar

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Blain said:
Actually @Lamar I see in the past posts you believe the gift just want evidence for it, well that is kind of contradictory to what faith is isn't it? if you require a sign or evidence to believe then you likely won't get it. I have seen so much babbling nonesense that I might as well not believe in the gift but I do and it was without having any evidence of it yet I still believed in it that allowed me to be able to expereinece the real thing for myself, perhaps if you choose to believe even without evidence then you will recieve the evidence you desire but that is just my opinion
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As a Christian I do not need evidence that tongues were a gift of the Holy Spirit. There is much spoken about it in the New Testament.

We are not required to accept or have "faith" in the claims of tongues today.

If the tongues and other physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit were currently active the need for our faith in them is rather absurd.

This is not about "fake tongues" but any claims of supernatural manifestations. Those who insist that they are going on around us should simply point it out and not insist that we have to believe first. This is just a cop-out.

Claiming that we need to accept tongues as real before we can see tongues as real is childish, unbiblical and dumb. People in the Bible knew the validity of the manifestations before they "accepted" the manifestations as real.
 
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ocean said:
Frankly I won't darken the doorstep of some churches because of the way they use tongues. I don't need any spiritual conflict and
poking around in places where there is a big lack of discernment is one way to enter into deception. I have no understanding of any particular language being the 'standard' for tongues and I have not seen one in scripture either. You can find the word 'yada' in Hebrew but it does not mean 'my God'...I just looked it up.

My best advice would be to pray and receive clarity regarding all these questions of yours from God.

Now if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask from God, the One giving generously to all and not finding fault, and it will be given to him.
James 1:5 with the caveat to ask in faith:
But let him ask in faith, doubting nothing, for the one doubting is like a wave of the sea, being blown and being tossed by the wind.

and there are prayers written by Paul that you can pray in the first person (in other words for yourself). For example. Ephesians 1
v. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people

you could do a search on the prayers of Paul for believers and begin to get an idea of how much God want us to know and understand Him and the love He has for us. You are not in danger believing what scripture says, but pray for discernment also.



Well I don't know who you are meaning above, but unless they understood the language or could interpret, I am not sure how that would work. Remember that those who first received the gift of tongues were taken to be drunk. Remember that Paul gave easy to
understand instructions on how gifts should be used. Decently and in order hardly seems to fit the way so much is done these days.
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So I just looked up the meaning of yada and it does not mean my God it means to know or percieve and even secually apparently
 
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Lamar said:
As a Christian I do not need evidence that tongues were a gift of the Holy Spirit. There is much spoken about it in the New Testament.

We are not required to accept or have "faith" in the claims of tongues today.

If the tongues and other physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit were currently active the need for our faith in them is rather absurd.

This is not about "fake tongues" but any claims of supernatural manifestations. Those who insist that they are going on around us should simply point it out and not insist that we have to believe first. This is just a cop-out.

Claiming that we need to accept tongues as real before we can see tongues as real is childish, unbiblical and dumb. People in the Bible knew the validity of the manifestations before they "accepted" the manifestations as real.
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So am I to understand then that you do not think tongues is for today then? and you don't believe it even operates today?
 
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ocean said:
Right.
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See this is why I don't like people trying to speak in tongues when they don't have the gift this lady that was yelling this must not have known what it meant and was using it out of context
 
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Caan said:
Sorry Blain,

Forgot to add scripture to ... mmmm 'validate' my experience.

ACTS 10:

.44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

.45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astounded because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

46For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said,

47"Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.

48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
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We all can post scripture to validate our experience.

I looked upon a serpent on a pole.....I am now saved.

Times, they do change my friend.
 
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Blain said:
So am I to understand then that you do not think tongues is for today then? and you don't believe it even operates today?
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By no means.

If God wants any physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit to be active to who are we say no.

I don't believe that they are happening today for the same reason that you don't believe that manna is falling in your backyard.
 
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ocean said:
Just wondering how that relates to my post or did you want to talk about something else? :unsure:
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You said, "The Bible is plain in its instructions", so I just observed that if its instructions were plainer regarding speaking in tongues there would be no discussion on this thread. In this case I find 1Cor.14:18-19 to be unplain.
 
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Blain said:
See this is why I don't like people trying to speak in tongues when they don't have the gift this lady that was yelling this must not have known what it meant and was using it out of context
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Yeah not too helpful. We also do not find people teaching people to receive the gift of tongues by telling them to mouth certain syllables and what have you. People just seem to make up their own stuff as they go along.

Not to bore anyone, but there are instructions written by Paul that should be followed. No gift should be the emphasis in any meeting.
 
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Blain said:
See this is why I don't like people trying to speak in tongues when they don't have the gift this lady that was yelling this must not have known what it meant and was using it out of context
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So this lady was simply speaking babble?
 
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Blain said:
See this is why I don't like people trying to speak in tongues when they don't have the gift this lady that was yelling this must not have known what it meant and was using it out of context
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According to you, it is on you to accept this lady's tongues in order to have evidence of her tongues being real. Post# 108
 
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GWH said:
You said, "The Bible is plain in its instructions", so I just observed that if its instructions were plainer regarding speaking in tongues there would be no discussion on this thread. In this case I find 1Cor.14:18-19 to be unplain.
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The same thing could be said for many threads in this forum.

1Cor.14:18-19: I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Paul is referring to the us of tongues in private: prayer, worship, edification. Those familiar with the gift understand that. BUT comprehension is the better part of what is said in church so if someone were to just go on in tongues with no interpretation, then what good is that? Actually, Paul makes that very plain in his instructions.

2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. I Cor 14
Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves I Cor 14: 4a

It's all well explained in chapt 14 so...
 
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Lamar said:
According to you, it is on you to accept this lady's tongues in order to have evidence of her tongues being real. Post# 108
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you clearly misunderstand me, we are to test the spirits and without discernment I could not know the real from the fake. I merely was telling you if you don't believe in the gift in general God is not likely to show it to you.
 
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Blain said:
you clearly misunderstand me, we are to test the spirits and without discernment I could not know the real from the fake. I merely was telling you if you don't believe in the gift in general God is not likely to show it to you.
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With some exceptions as Gods knows who is sincerely wrong and who is just opining on their own belief and gets angry when everyone does not agree with them.

There is the example of Paul who was honest in his persecution of believers and Jesus appearing to Him and instantly Paul believed.

Sometimes God does just kind of tap a person on the shoulder
 
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ocean said:
With some exceptions as Gods knows who is sincerely wrong and who is just opining on their own belief and gets angry when everyone does not agree with them.

There is the example of Paul who was honest in his persecution of believers and Jesus appearing to Him and instantly Paul believed.

Sometimes God does just kind of tap a person on the shoulder
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True enough this is sometimes the case however I don't think this is the case for Lamar but maybe not perhaps God will allow him to experience the real thing some day. I know that when I experienced it there was no words to describe it the power of God coursing into me the way I was absolutely in awe of God the feeling of thise fire surging through me like electricity it is hard to explain but I would love for all believers to know God in this way it reveals the depth of him so much that you don't have the words
 
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