CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus
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Yeah. And the "2 days" of Hosea 6:2-3 seems to be factored from His resurrection / ascension (per Hosea 5:14-15), rather than from His birth.
Mhmm. And then there's the question as to WHY, between "the 17th day of the 2nd month" (Gen7:11) and "the 17th day of the 7th month" (Gen8:4; so 5 months total from start-date to end-date), there seems to be a total of only "150 days" (Gen7:24; 8:3).
I *think* I can do math okay...
Mhmm. And then there's the question as to WHY, between "the 17th day of the 2nd month" (Gen7:11) and "the 17th day of the 7th month" (Gen8:4; so 5 months total from start-date to end-date), there seems to be a total of only "150 days" (Gen7:24; 8:3).
I *think* I can do math okay...Sure.
But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ ).
Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).
Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).
That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).
As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall ), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying
"And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."
From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).
Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ
).Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).
Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).
That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).
As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall
), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying "And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."
From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).
Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
^ To be clear, WE (the Church which is His body) will not be present on the earth when the AC / man of sin does the first action in his role ("in his time"), which I believe is the Dan9:27a action ("for ONE WEEK [7 yrs]" ;--v.26b "the prince that is COMING [/shall come]"), i.e. the FIRST SEAL ("went forth"), aka the "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5 [bringing deception]... the king of Dan11:36... etc...
So, this "double-whammy evidence" [lock-step] will be clear to the ones still on the earth (FOLLOWING "our Rapture"), who haven't hardened themselves to the truth...
So, this "double-whammy evidence" [lock-step] will be clear to the ones still on the earth (FOLLOWING "our Rapture"), who haven't hardened themselves to the truth...
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Sure.
But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ ).
Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).
Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).
That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).
As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall ), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying
"And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."
From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).
Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ
).Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).
Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).
That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).
As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall
), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying"And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."
From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).
Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
The Abomination of desolation is visual proof by which no one can argue
thats the kind of proof I am looking for.
I am still pre-trib.. I am also a realist..
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I use the term "Calvinism" for all teachings which are not the truth (TULIP) both repackaged modern and old.
Of course there are many correct teachings in the Reformed world but those that work against the message of the simple Gospel and its power for salvation and the character of God, nah not having it.
Of course there are many correct teachings in the Reformed world but those that work against the message of the simple Gospel and its power for salvation and the character of God, nah not having it.
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