Christ is God

[SilverFox7]

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to me it’s going to be as it was in Eden before man rebelled . God and man together again dwelling on earth as a family , a people and life rether than staying into death revelations a really interesting book in my view

You did a great job laying this out, brother, and I like your thoughts on this topic. Yes, Eden will be reestablished and the tree of life will be available for all to partake of. It will be successful and lasting this time because Satan will not be there, and mankind will have God's spirit dwelling within them to strengthen and inspire them to walk in harmony with their God as He has always desired it to be.

I just finished up reading through the history of Judah and Israel in Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles, and it saddened me once again to see how poorly the nation of Israel did overall following God's ways. The Northern tribes fell apart quickly after they separated from Judah, and I don't think they had one good king. They fell into heavy idolatry and were ultimately overrun and taken captive into Assyria. Judah and Benjamin didn't do a whole lot better with only a few kings like Josiah who "...did what was right in the sight of the Lord" (II Chron. 34: 2). They ended up being conquered by the Babylonians and taken captive to Babylon.

As you noted, Ezekiel warned the people of their iniquity, yet most persisted in rebellion. That's been an unfortunate reality of human history down to the present day even among nations who try to pattern their society after Godly values and laws. There is a diligence and faithfulness that eventually degenerates into paganism and materialism that plummets into national failure.

Even the Church struggles with this. Look at the rebukes Christ had for the seven churches he addresses:

Ephesus: left their first love (Rev. 2: 4)

Smyrna: no major corrections

Pergamos: some "hold to the doctrine of Balaam...and Nicolaitans" (Rev. 2: 14-15)

Thyatira: sexual immorality and eating things sacrificed to idols (Rev. 2: 20)

Sardis: they need to hold fast, repent, and avoid being defiled (Rev. 3: 3-4)

Philadelphia: no major corrections

Laodiceans: the worst of the bunch (Rev. 3: 15-19)

We struggle during the "Chruch Era" even though we have God's Spirit and Christ fighting our battles. Yet, we have Satan and his misfits to deal with, the corruption and sinfulness of this world, and our biggest enemy - our sinful nature at battle with God's nature within us.
We certainly need that New Jerusalem, brother!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You did a great job laying this out, brother, and I like your thoughts on this topic. Yes, Eden will be reestablished and the tree of life will be available for all to partake of. It will be successful and lasting this time because Satan will not be there, and mankind will have God's spirit dwelling within them to strengthen and inspire them to walk in harmony with their God as He has always desired it to be.

I just finished up reading through the history of Judah and Israel in Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles, and it saddened me once again to see how poorly the nation of Israel did overall following God's ways. The Northern tribes fell apart quickly after they separated from Judah, and I don't think they had one good king. They fell into heavy idolatry and were ultimately overrun and taken captive into Assyria. Judah and Benjamin didn't do a whole lot better with only a few kings like Josiah who "...did what was right in the sight of the Lord" (II Chron. 34: 2). They ended up being conquered by the Babylonians and taken captive to Babylon.

As you noted, Ezekiel warned the people of their iniquity, yet most persisted in rebellion. That's been an unfortunate reality of human history down to the present day even among nations who try to pattern their society after Godly values and laws. There is a diligence and faithfulness that eventually degenerates into paganism and materialism that plummets into national failure.

Even the Church struggles with this. Look at the rebukes Christ had for the seven churches he addresses:

Ephesus: left their first love (Rev. 2: 4)

Smyrna: no major corrections

Pergamos: some "hold to the doctrine of Balaam...and Nicolaitans" (Rev. 2: 14-15)

Thyatira: sexual immorality and eating things sacrificed to idols (Rev. 2: 20)

Sardis: they need to hold fast, repent, and avoid being defiled (Rev. 3: 3-4)

Philadelphia: no major corrections

Laodiceans: the worst of the bunch (Rev. 3: 15-19)

We struggle during the "Chruch Era" even though we have God's Spirit and Christ fighting our battles. Yet, we have Satan and his misfits to deal with, the corruption and sinfulness of this world, and our biggest enemy - our sinful nature at battle with God's nature within us.
We certainly need that New Jerusalem, brother!

Amen great stuff brother !

i feel as if we have lost a lot of the basics and we say it’s faith but the basics are the foundation of faith

It’s almost like mans forgetting what terms like faith mean as if it’s an alternative to a gods ways when it’s actually his way to walk in faith

Many I feel look at faith as an alternative to listening to and believing God but that’s really the opposites of faiths entire existance which is to bring us into obedience and upright living before it’s too late

 

[TheLearner]

rth

 

[wattie]

I've heard from Unitarian and jw types say when Jesus refers to the Father, and in other passages referring to the Father. That it's referring to an unequal..separate being.

What this ignores, is Jesus having the same power as the Father and claiming equality with the Father.

I don't see Jesus as separate from the Father. Distinct from.. but entirely inter related.

 

[SilverFox7]

Amen great stuff brother !

i feel as if we have lost a lot of the basics and we say it’s faith but the basics are the foundation of faith

It’s almost like mans forgetting what terms like faith mean as if it’s an alternative to a gods ways when it’s actually his way to walk in faith

Many I feel look at faith as an alternative to listening to and believing God but that’s really the opposites of faiths entire existance which is to bring us into obedience and upright living before it’s too late

As I was going through the letters to the seven churches, your observation of Christ greeting John in this vision as our High Priest brought me some new insights into the message Jesus had for each of these congregations as Head of the Church. I really like the way Jesus describes Himself to each of the churches:

Ephesus

"...He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who works in the midst of the seven golden lampstands" (Rev 2: 1). Christ is intimately involved with His Church, and we are in His right hand like He sits at the right hand of the Father.

Smyrna

"...the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life" (Rev 2: 8). Christ is eternal, yet He became mortal, suffered and died, and was raised again on the third day. The Eternal tasted death for us.

Pergamos

"...He who has the sharp two-edged sword" (Rev 2: 12). Jesus is the Word of God, spiritually and literally.

Thyatira

"...the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass" (Rev 2: 18). "Christ is God!"

Sardis

"...He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars" (Rev 3: 1). Another reference to Christ as Head of the Church.

Philadelphia

"...He who is holy, He who is true, 'He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens'" (Rev 3: 7). Christ is pure, perfect, and trustworthy. "...He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder, So he shall open, and no one shall shut; and he shall shut, and no one shall open" (Isa 22:22). Christ is King of kings!

Laodicea

"...the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God" (Rev 3: 14). Jesus unifies, and we can trust Him implicitly because He is our first hand witness to God and His plan of salvation for us.

 

[SilverFox7]

rth

What does "rth" mean?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

As I was going through the letters to the seven churches, your observation of Christ greeting John in this vision as our High Priest brought me some new insights into the message Jesus had for each of these congregations as Head of the Church. I really like the way Jesus describes Himself to each of the churches:

Ephesus

"...He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who works in the midst of the seven golden lampstands" (Rev 2: 1). Christ is intimately involved with His Church, and we are in His right hand like He sits at the right hand of the Father.

Smyrna

"...the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life" (Rev 2: 8). Christ is eternal, yet He became mortal, suffered and died, and was raised again on the third day. The Eternal tasted death for us.

Pergamos

"...He who has the sharp two-edged sword" (Rev 2: 12). Jesus is the Word of God, spiritually and literally.

Thyatira

"...the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass" (Rev 2: 18). "Christ is God!"

Sardis

"...He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars" (Rev 3: 1). Another reference to Christ as Head of the Church.

Philadelphia

"...He who is holy, He who is true, 'He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens'" (Rev 3: 7). Christ is pure, perfect, and trustworthy. "...He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder, So he shall open, and no one shall shut; and he shall shut, and no one shall open" (Isa 22:22). Christ is King of kings!

Laodicea

"...the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God" (Rev 3: 14). Jesus unifies, and we can trust Him implicitly because He is our first hand witness to God and His plan of salvation for us.

amen to all that wonderful stuff .

revelation has so many things about Jesus little connections

I like to trace the phrases back to the origins in the ot it always comes back to a prophecy of Christ

“I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:26-27‬ ‭

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:

and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation is an amazing book

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What does "rth" mean?

Do you read a lot of Daniel brother ? It has a structure to it , wheras Daniel sees the same subject matter in several successive visions and dreams but it’s repeatedly telling of the same matters each time having various points of detail that the others don’t have.

this is the same structure as the book of revelation and johns visions, daniels is applicable to the conclusion of the Old Testament and gods recognition of the earth , through and by that agreement made with man , specifically the children of Israel. The reason I’m mentioning this brother is for study purposes revelation , and Daniel really work together for understanding and revelation.

“then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: his body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭10:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my Lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength. For how can the servant of this my Lord talk with this my Lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, and said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my Lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭10:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Write (1) the things which thou hast seen,

and (2) the things which are,

and (3) the things which shall be hereafter;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:12-19‬ ‭

of course we understand from the references who this son of man is as believers who died and now is alive forever. And all those references about the sounds of his voice in revelation sometimes thunder a trumpet his face as lightning sometimes it’s the roar of a lion or the sound of many people shouting together ect there are a few others but those are references to prophecy talking about Gods voice. And those prophecies then shed light on what’s happening in the revelation visions

for instance the beast with seven heads can be found in da irks four beasts that rise up from the sea and attacks the saints overpowering them the four kingdoms Daniel sees have the same description as johns one beast with seven heads and ten one that appears again as an eighth with ten companions ect

revelation really ties into all of prophecy like that and even the law and especially gospel all of those otherworldly references are understood from the Bible itself and what it has revealed throughout scriptire and time to man.

It’s really a convincing book that convinces of truth and the state of the earth right now and the imminence of Christs return whether it yet be a thousand years or a day

We can find direct references in Moses writings and the prophets , in Jesus words and the epistles tbat make sense of revelations visions just like we see in daniels framework and design. And especially when we put the two together

“And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[glf]

Jn 1: 1-3, "In the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things that were made, were made by Jesus and without Jesus was not anything made that was made."

Heb 1:3-, "Jesus being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high..."

 

[TheLearner]

What does "rth" mean?

read to here

 

[TheLearner]

Do you read a lot of Daniel brother ? It has a structure to it , wheras Daniel sees the same subject matter in several successive visions and dreams but it’s repeatedly telling of the same matters each time having various points of detail that the others don’t have.

this is the same structure as the book of revelation and johns visions, daniels is applicable to the conclusion of the Old Testament and gods recognition of the earth , through and by that agreement made with man , specifically the children of Israel. The reason I’m mentioning this brother is for study purposes revelation , and Daniel really work together for understanding and revelation.

“then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: his body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭10:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my Lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength. For how can the servant of this my Lord talk with this my Lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, and said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my Lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭10:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Write (1) the things which thou hast seen,

and (2) the things which are,

and (3) the things which shall be hereafter;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:12-19‬ ‭

of course we understand from the references who this son of man is as believers who died and now is alive forever. And all those references about the sounds of his voice in revelation sometimes thunder a trumpet his face as lightning sometimes it’s the roar of a lion or the sound of many people shouting together ect there are a few others but those are references to prophecy talking about Gods voice. And those prophecies then shed light on what’s happening in the revelation visions

for instance the beast with seven heads can be found in da irks four beasts that rise up from the sea and attacks the saints overpowering them the four kingdoms Daniel sees have the same description as johns one beast with seven heads and ten one that appears again as an eighth with ten companions ect

revelation really ties into all of prophecy like that and even the law and especially gospel all of those otherworldly references are understood from the Bible itself and what it has revealed throughout scriptire and time to man.

It’s really a convincing book that convinces of truth and the state of the earth right now and the imminence of Christs return whether it yet be a thousand years or a day

We can find direct references in Moses writings and the prophets , in Jesus words and the epistles tbat make sense of revelations visions just like we see in daniels framework and design. And especially when we put the two together

“And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thanks for reading me, Daniel