Christ is God

[SilverFox7]

brother consider this just some quotes from a long chapter I’m sure your familiar with and will look at if necassary but to highlight what I’m saying

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

it is sown a natural body;

it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

( this next part here )
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; ( flesh and blood is of this world to live and exist in this world , the kingdom of God is not of this world )

neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,( from flesh to spirit bodies of the resurrection ) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:

for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, ( remember he’s been talking about the resurrection bodies all along how the spiritual person is raised not the flesh and blood of earth ) and we shall be changed. ( also glorified spiritual bodies )

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

( flesh and blood perishes the spirit of God of which Christian’s are born , does not )

But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 44, 47-53, 57-58‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Good stuff, brother, and yes I'm quite familiar with these excellent verses from Paul. In fact, that's why I am of the school that those who are dead now in Christ are asleep in the grave and will be raised in that spiritual, incorruptible body when Christ returns "at the last trump." Think about it, if those who have died in Christ are in heaven right now, why is the resurrection necessary? Are we in some spiritual, soulful state in heaven until Christ's return and then we get united with the new body at the last trumpet? That just doesn't make sense to me.

This is a nice lead-in to that reference from Zechariah to The Feast of Tabernacles being celebrated after the "...King, the Lord of Hosts..." (Zech. 14: 16-19) has returned and established His Kingdom on earth. Again, why the Feast of Tabernacles? There's no reference to Passover or the other feasts of God here. Consider this, if the Feasts of God (Lev. chpt. 23 and detailed in many other scriptures throughout the Bible) provide us with a blueprint of God's plan of salvation for humanity, we might have an answer to the question:

Fulfilled Feasts

1. Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread: Christ's sacrifice and purging sin out of our lives

2. Pentecost: Coming of the Holy Spirit

Unfulfilled Feasts

3. Feast of Trumpets: 2nd Coming of Christ (1st resurrection of God's saints)

4. Day of Atonement: Satan bound

5. Feast of Tabernacles: Millenium

6. Last Great Day: Great White Throne judgement (2nd resurrection - "rest of the dead")

After Christ returns and is King over the earth, the only two Feasts that will be unfulfilled are The Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day, which may help explain Zechariah's prophecy. Remember, Jesus went to The Feast of Tabernacles and told the religious leaders to "...judge with righteous judgement" (John 7: 24). That's exactly what Christ will do when He returns.

John 7:37-39

New King James Version

37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [a]believing in Him would receive; for the [b]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Of course, Pentecost is a partial fulfillment of this prophecy, but it will also apply during the Milennium when God's Spirit will be poured out throughout the planet to bring about a new era of peace for Israel and all the nations. God is going to show us how this world should be governed and ruled, and Satan will not be present to screw things up during the 1000 year period. The earth will no longer be cursed because Christ, His leadership, and priesthood will be bringing His Kingdom to the earth.

Isaiah 9:6-7

New King James Version

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

References to the 1st and 2nd coming of our Lord and Savior!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good stuff, brother, and yes I'm quite familiar with these excellent verses from Paul. In fact, that's why I am of the school that those who are dead now in Christ are asleep in the grave and will be raised in that spiritual, incorruptible body when Christ returns "at the last trump." Think about it, if those who have died in Christ are in heaven right now, why is the resurrection necessary? Are we in some spiritual, soulful state in heaven until Christ's return and then we get united with the new body at the last trumpet? That just doesn't make sense to me.

This is a nice lead-in to that reference from Zechariah to The Feast of Tabernacles being celebrated after the "...King, the Lord of Hosts..." (Zech. 14: 16-19) has returned and established His Kingdom on earth. Again, why the Feast of Tabernacles? There's no reference to Passover or the other feasts of God here. Consider this, if the Feasts of God (Lev. chpt. 23 and detailed in many other scriptures throughout the Bible) provide us with a blueprint of God's plan of salvation for humanity, we might have an answer to the question:

Fulfilled Feasts

1. Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread: Christ's sacrifice and purging sin out of our lives

2. Pentecost: Coming of the Holy Spirit

Unfulfilled Feasts

3. Feast of Trumpets: 2nd Coming of Christ (1st resurrection of God's saints)

4. Day of Atonement: Satan bound

5. Feast of Tabernacles: Millenium

6. Last Great Day: Great White Throne judgement (2nd resurrection - "rest of the dead")

After Christ returns and is King over the earth, the only two Feasts that will be unfulfilled are The Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day, which may help explain Zechariah's prophecy. Remember, Jesus went to The Feast of Tabernacles and told the religious leaders to "...judge with righteous judgement" (John 7: 24). That's exactly what Christ will do when He returns.

John 7:37-39

New King James Version

37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [a]believing in Him would receive; for the [b]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Of course, Pentecost is a partial fulfillment of this prophecy, but it will also apply during the Milennium when God's Spirit will be poured out throughout the planet to bring about a new era of peace for Israel and all the nations. God is going to show us how this world should be governed and ruled, and Satan will not be present to screw things up during the 1000 year period. The earth will no longer be cursed because Christ, His leadership, and priesthood will be bringing His Kingdom to the earth.

Isaiah 9:6-7

New King James Version

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

References to the 1st and 2nd coming of our Lord and Savior!

“Good stuff, brother, and yes I'm quite familiar with these excellent verses from Paul. In fact, that's why I am of the school that those who are dead now in Christ are asleep in the grave and will be raised in that spiritual, incorruptible body when Christ returns "at the last trump."

Brother I look at the Bible in two testaments. The Old Testament promised those of that covenant a resurrection when the messiah came. I’m talking about this stuff we find in the ot

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, ( in prophecy ) and performed it, ( in fulfillment ) saith the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He had promised to do that not in the gospel to all people but for Israel his people according to the Old Testament word of the law and prophets. He said he would come to walk among them and raise them from the grave. And then he did that

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭

do you acknolwedge the Old Testament promised a resurrection of the people and that they were raised up after Christ rose ? That what he said was fulfilled ? Of course after this he also put his spirit in the people and fulfilled the rest of the promises of the old covenant but just to focus on something I don’t think I’m being clear about

there are two testaments in the Bible each promising the people of that covenant resurrection when the messiah appears to fulfill each testament

One of those resurrections was about that specific generetion of Christ and those who had slept beforehand under the law and the promises of the prophets like the one above of life from death when the king of life came

There are two resurrections Christ and the firstfruits unto God his preists and judges.

“But every man in his own order: Christ , the firstfruits; ( 1st resurrection )

(and then at the end of the world everyone who believed the gospel and belongs to Christ at his 2nd coming )

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.” ( our resurrection )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The firstfruits are the first generetion who suffered so greatly under rome and were all slaughtered after they bore witness of the gospel what John was seeing was about to happen to them it was already happening but was about to break loose

that generation suffered with Christ because of Gods word many were burned alive and skinned and sawed in half and thrown to wild animals wrapped in oil soaked linens and crucified burned alive to light Nero’s garden Circus and it’s because of them and tbier perseverance that we all have a Bible to believe still

“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a difference in those foundational people of the church in the beginning and the church in general afterwards

“For we are labourers together with God:

ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a resurrection promised to us in the church as well in tbe New Testament when the messiah comes again he’ll raise up the dead again who belong to him as he did before when the many saints arose but it’s the resurrection we’re taught in the New Testament doctrine

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems to me that Revelation speaks about two resurrections because there are two resurrections promised in the Bible.

one by the Old Testament for Israel’s faithful and one in the New Testament promised to all people in the gospel for the church.

I enjoy the discussion brother always with you I just don’t see it like you are seeing it regarding this one

Im looking at two testaments , two promised resurrections , teo comings of the messiah at the end of each testament one when he was born here to fulfill a promise made before

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The ot would be fulfilled in his generation but the things the disciples preached were about things moving forward the second resurrection will happen when he comes and the foret happened when he came as he had promised

I believe the firstfruits are that he ration of the church hat differed with christ so much for the word of God and thier testimony we still have even today in thoer words

Bit honestly brother people interpreting revelation have many different views it’s interesting to me to find out other peoples views and why they think that which is why I enjoy discussion with you always

 

[SilverFox7]

“Good stuff, brother, and yes I'm quite familiar with these excellent verses from Paul. In fact, that's why I am of the school that those who are dead now in Christ are asleep in the grave and will be raised in that spiritual, incorruptible body when Christ returns "at the last trump."

Brother I look at the Bible in two testaments. The Old Testament promised those of that covenant a resurrection when the messiah came. I’m talking about this stuff we find in the ot

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, ( in prophecy ) and performed it, ( in fulfillment ) saith the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He had promised to do that not in the gospel to all people but for Israel his people according to the Old Testament word of the law and prophets. He said he would come to walk among them and raise them from the grave. And then he did that

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭

do you acknolwedge the Old Testament promised a resurrection of the people and that they were raised up after Christ rose ? That what he said was fulfilled ? Of course after this he also put his spirit in the people and fulfilled the rest of the promises of the old covenant but just to focus on something I don’t think I’m being clear about

there are two testaments in the Bible each promising the people of that covenant resurrection when the messiah appears to fulfill each testament

One of those resurrections was about that specific generetion of Christ and those who had slept beforehand under the law and the promises of the prophets like the one above of life from death when the king of life came

There are two resurrections Christ and the firstfruits unto God his preists and judges.

“But every man in his own order: Christ , the firstfruits; ( 1st resurrection )

(and then at the end of the world everyone who believed the gospel and belongs to Christ at his 2nd coming )

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.” ( our resurrection )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The firstfruits are the first generetion who suffered so greatly under rome and were all slaughtered after they bore witness of the gospel what John was seeing was about to happen to them it was already happening but was about to break loose

that generation suffered with Christ because of Gods word many were burned alive and skinned and sawed in half and thrown to wild animals wrapped in oil soaked linens and crucified burned alive to light Nero’s garden Circus and it’s because of them and tbier perseverance that we all have a Bible to believe still

“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a difference in those foundational people of the church in the beginning and the church in general afterwards

“For we are labourers together with God:

ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a resurrection promised to us in the church as well in tbe New Testament when the messiah comes again he’ll raise up the dead again who belong to him as he did before when the many saints arose but it’s the resurrection we’re taught in the New Testament doctrine

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems to me that Revelation speaks about two resurrections because there are two resurrections promised in the Bible.

one by the Old Testament for Israel’s faithful and one in the New Testament promised to all people in the gospel for the church.

I enjoy the discussion brother always with you I just don’t see it like you are seeing it regarding this one

Im looking at two testaments , two promised resurrections , teo comings of the messiah at the end of each testament one when he was born here to fulfill a promise made before

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The ot would be fulfilled in his generation but the things the disciples preached were about things moving forward the second resurrection will happen when he comes and the foret happened when he came as he had promised

I believe the firstfruits are that he ration of the church hat differed with christ so much for the word of God and thier testimony we still have even today in thoer words

Bit honestly brother people interpreting revelation have many different views it’s interesting to me to find out other peoples views and why they think that which is why I enjoy discussion with you always

Thank you my friend for the in-depth observations.

 

[TMS]

m looking at two testaments , two promised resurrections , teo comings of the messiah at the end of each testament one when he was born here to fulfill a promise made before

I see 2 as well
The first fruits were exactly that a sample of the main harvest to come.

The 2 resurrections in revelation are seperated by 1000 years. And are for two classes the righteous and unrighteous.

The Bible states it clearly.

Joh 5:28-29 ..... all will be raised......
2 groups, 2 resurrections = damnation and life.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 19 is about the coming of Jesus and the marriage... the saints are garthed to be with Jesus.

Rev 20:4-6 this is the first resurrection. .....
They shall reign with Christ for 1000 years.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The 2nd resurrection results in the 2nd death.
Rev 20:13-14
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[SilverFox7]

But honestly brother people interpreting revelation have many different views it’s interesting to me to find out other peoples views and why they think that which is why I enjoy discussion with you always

I wanted to give you an award for this posting, brother, but for some reason the only reaction option I have right now is the default thumbs up "like." I really enjoy learning your views on this topic, and it's helping me to rethink other possibilities from what I learned in my "seminary" days back in my 20s about prophecy. I don't know about you, but I have changed a lot since then in my theological thinking, and I have become more grounded in the Gospel. Notice how the two of us are almost totally aligned on the Gospel, yet we have diverse opinions on Revelation and different prophecies - quite interesting.

The Mount of Olives has been on my mind recently, and I came across another really cool reference to it that I had never really noticed until our discussion. After Jesus spent time at the Feast of Tabernacles teaching, disputing with "the Jews", and evading the religious authorities who wanted him seized and brought to the "chief priests and Pharisees" (John 7: 45), "...Jesus went to the Mount of Olives" (John 8:1).

After His time at the Feast, Jesus went back to the Mount of Olives and early the next morning He returned to the temple to teach like Luke noted in his account. It's like the Mount of Olives was His home base when Jesus spent time in Jerusalem, probably camping in booths. The Feast of Tabernacles takes place in the fall, September/October on the lunar calendar, and I believe it was that next Spring that Jesus made His triumphal descent into Jerusalem before the Passover festival where He would be sacrificed as the true Lamb of God.

 

[SilverFox7]

I wanted to give you an award for this posting, brother, but for some reason the only reaction option I have right now is the default thumbs up "like." I really enjoy learning your views on this topic, and it's helping me to rethink other possibilities from what I learned in my "seminary" days back in my 20s about prophecy. I don't know about you, but I have changed a lot since then in my theological thinking, and I have become more grounded in the Gospel. Notice how the two of us are almost totally aligned on the Gospel, yet we have diverse opinions on Revelation and different prophecies - quite interesting.

The Mount of Olives has been on my mind recently, and I came across another really cool reference to it that I had never really noticed until our discussion. After Jesus spent time at the Feast of Tabernacles teaching, disputing with "the Jews", and evading the religious authorities who wanted him seized and brought to the "chief priests and Pharisees" (John 7: 45), "...Jesus went to the Mount of Olives" (John 8:1).

After His time at the Feast, Jesus went back to the Mount of Olives and early the next morning He returned to the temple to teach like Luke noted in his account. It's like the Mount of Olives was His home base when Jesus spent time in Jerusalem, probably camping in booths. The Feast of Tabernacles takes place in the fall, September/October on the lunar calendar, and I believe it was that next Spring that Jesus made His triumphal descent into Jerusalem before the Passover festival where He would be sacrificed as the true Lamb of God.

Here's a really short but good article about the Feasts of God from a Christian perspective:

The Feasts of Israel | Jews | Lamb and Lion Ministries (christinprophecy.org)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I wanted to give you an award for this posting, brother, but for some reason the only reaction option I have right now is the default thumbs up "like." I really enjoy learning your views on this topic, and it's helping me to rethink other possibilities from what I learned in my "seminary" days back in my 20s about prophecy. I don't know about you, but I have changed a lot since then in my theological thinking, and I have become more grounded in the Gospel. Notice how the two of us are almost totally aligned on the Gospel, yet we have diverse opinions on Revelation and different prophecies - quite interesting.

The Mount of Olives has been on my mind recently, and I came across another really cool reference to it that I had never really noticed until our discussion. After Jesus spent time at the Feast of Tabernacles teaching, disputing with "the Jews", and evading the religious authorities who wanted him seized and brought to the "chief priests and Pharisees" (John 7: 45), "...Jesus went to the Mount of Olives" (John 8:1).

After His time at the Feast, Jesus went back to the Mount of Olives and early the next morning He returned to the temple to teach like Luke noted in his account. It's like the Mount of Olives was His home base when Jesus spent time in Jerusalem, probably camping in booths. The Feast of Tabernacles takes place in the fall, September/October on the lunar calendar, and I believe it was that next Spring that Jesus made His triumphal descent into Jerusalem before the Passover festival where He would be sacrificed as the true Lamb of God.

It’s always a pleasure to discuss and hear from you especially things like this always seems to go somewhere for me



i was thinking last night about what Jesus had said of his particular generation of followers in the gospel before he had sent the gospel to all people and the hundred fourty four thousand who were sealed before the destruction is allowed to happen in revelation sort of some of this stuff

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭


“till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. “


“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, ( thrones in heaven ) and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. ….Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”

‭‭James‬ ‭1:1, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

In your patience possess ye your souls.

( Thisnos specific to the ones he’s talking to in that day he’s preparing them for Jerusalems siege destruction and desolation by rome shortly coming upon them then )


And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:12-13, 16-24‬

ive never really looked into the 144000 but it seems as if they are the people in the heavenly sion with Christ before the people of all nations appear afterwards singing of the lamb slain and salvetion i was noticing some things after our talk looking through revelation

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

later we see the Christian’s and saints killed and destroyed for three and a half years by the beast and later we see

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And they sing the song of Moses ( because it’s the tribes of Israel the hundred footy four thousand sealed ) the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, ( who believed the gospel as well) saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.” ( In the gospel sent to all people )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:4‬ ‭

It seems it’s a group of chosen from the tribes of Israel who were martyred and who endured the great tribulation of Jerusalems desolation in that last generetion of thier covenant

 

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It’s always a pleasure to discuss and hear from you especially things like this always seems to go somewhere for me



i was thinking last night about what Jesus had said of his particular generation of followers in the gospel before he had sent the gospel to all people and the hundred fourty four thousand who were sealed before the destruction is allowed to happen in revelation sort of some of this stuff

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭


“till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. “


“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, ( thrones in heaven ) and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. ….Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”

‭‭James‬ ‭1:1, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

In your patience possess ye your souls.

( Thisnos specific to the ones he’s talking to in that day he’s preparing them for Jerusalems siege destruction and desolation by rome shortly coming upon them then )


And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:12-13, 16-24‬

ive never really looked into the 144000 but it seems as if they are the people in the heavenly sion with Christ before the people of all nations appear afterwards singing of the lamb slain and salvetion i was noticing some things after our talk looking through revelation

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

later we see the Christian’s and saints killed and destroyed for three and a half years by the beast and later we see

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And they sing the song of Moses ( because it’s the tribes of Israel the hundred footy four thousand sealed ) the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, ( who believed the gospel as well) saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.” ( In the gospel sent to all people )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:4‬ ‭

It seems it’s a group of chosen from the tribes of Israel who were martyred and who endured the great tribulation of Jerusalems desolation in that last generetion of thier covenant

That is a great idea, brother, and it makes sense to me, especially given the "firstfruits" celebration that took place during the Passover "pilgrimage" feast. That's well before the Fall feasts where the two resurrections are connected as future events after the Church era.

I will dive into this a little more and advise later, but I think you're on to something...

 

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That is a great idea, brother, and it makes sense to me, especially given the "firstfruits" celebration that took place during the Passover "pilgrimage" feast. That's well before the Fall feasts where the two resurrections are connected as future events after the Church era.

I will dive into this a little more and advise later, but I think you're on to something...

Old testament prophecy 700 bc

“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:25-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:28-30‬ ‭

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:5-6, 9‬ ‭

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭

“and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

‭….
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬