CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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mystic7

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Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
It’s not the question if God can’t heal, the question is, do you have faith that God can heal, through you? And the category of healing is based on your measure of faith as in the gifts of the Holy Ghost:
I don’t believe the gifts of Holy Ghost died with the Apostles because Peter stated: Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Today I am a child of God and I have personally laid hands on the sick and they have been healed in Jesus’s Name, maybe not a miracle but the greatest miracle one can perform is leading someone to Christ and see the person change into a strong Christian
 
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wolfwint

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Sudakar said:
It is not unfriendliness to a lady but unfriendliness towards heresy.

Regarding healing you deny Christ's atonement and and therefore not a follower of Christ but you are a follower of medical doctor as your Messiah/mediator.
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In your eyes it seems to me that everything is heresy what is different from your claimes.
And Yes it is unfriendly, the way how you express your words.
Why you dont share with people which have the same View like you?
I hope you and your family are never must going in the situation to go to an doctor ore in an hospital.
 
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Guojing

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mystic7 said:
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
It’s not the question if God can’t heal, the question is, do you have faith that God can heal, through you? And the category of healing is based on your measure of faith as in the gifts of the Holy Ghost:
I don’t believe the gifts of Holy Ghost died with the Apostles because Peter stated: Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Today I am a child of God and I have personally laid hands on the sick and they have been healed in Jesus’s Name, maybe not a miracle but the greatest miracle one can perform is leading someone to Christ and see the person change into a strong Christian
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Paul hankerchiefs could heal in Acts and yet, by the time of his death, he advise Timothy to take wine for his sickness.

Why do you think he did not send one hankerchief to Timothy instead?
 
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Sudakar said:
When paul could no longer heal why did he put them on medicines rather than teach faith in Christ's blood?
Instead of cryiticising the charismatics why not teach about faith?
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God gives wisdom to mankind to be doctors to heal the sick. Isnt that God is the one who heals? What I am trying to say is small sickness doctors will heal, serious sickness, Gods himself will heal by performed miracle.
 
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chanchuinchoy

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Guojing said:
Paul hankerchiefs could heal in Acts and yet, by the time of his death, he advise Timothy to take wine for his sickness.

Why do you think he did not send one hankerchief to Timothy instead?
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Timothy dos not have a sickness only indigestion. Thats why Paul told Timothy to drink wine because wine improves digestion.
 
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mystic7

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Guojing said:
Paul hankerchiefs could heal in Acts and yet, by the time of his death, he advise Timothy to take wine for his sickness.

Why do you think he did not send one hankerchief to Timothy instead?
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Acts 19:11-12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
At this time It was God's direction to Paul to perform miracles, God did not instruct Paul to give Timothy a handkerchief. God is the healer and how HE heals people is up to him. All he needs from us is to believe HE can heal
 
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Guojing

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chanchuinchoy said:
Timothy dos not have a sickness only indigestion. Thats why Paul told Timothy to drink wine because wine improves digestion.
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The verse states "for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities".

You cannot conclude its ONLY indigestion.
 
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Guojing

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mystic7 said:
Acts 19:11-12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
At this time It was God's direction to Paul to perform miracles, God did not instruct Paul to give Timothy a handkerchief. God is the healer and how HE heals people is up to him. All he needs from us is to believe HE can heal
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As long as you agree that, sometimes healing can come by natural means, I am fine with that.

Its not God's will to supernaturally heal you many times.
 
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Sudakar

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mystic7 said:
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
It’s not the question if God can’t heal, the question is, do you have faith that God can heal, through you? And the category of healing is based on your measure of faith as in the gifts of the Holy Ghost:
I don’t believe the gifts of Holy Ghost died with the Apostles because Peter stated: Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Today I am a child of God and I have personally laid hands on the sick and they have been healed in Jesus’s Name, maybe not a miracle but the greatest miracle one can perform is leading someone to Christ and see the person change into a strong Christian
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Sign healings are for unbelievers. Why then do christians seek sign healings done by gifted healers rather than have faith in Christ's atonement for healing as did the woman in Mathew 9:22?
 
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Sudakar

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Guojing said:
As long as you agree that, sometimes healing can come by natural means, I am fine with that.

Its not God's will to supernaturally heal you many times.
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Christians trusting in medical doctors, gifted healers, prayers of elders etc are all instances of disobedience to grow in faith in Christ's atonement for healing.

What do you mean by supernatural? None & nothing heals except God. God is supernatural. It is only the healing by faith in Christ's mediatorship in the atonement which pleases God.
 
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Sudakar

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mystic7 said:
Acts 19:11-12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
At this time It was God's direction to Paul to perform miracles, God did not instruct Paul to give Timothy a handkerchief. God is the healer and how HE heals people is up to him. All he needs from us is to believe HE can heal
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Trusting wine to heal is not faith. Trusting God for healing through Christ's atonement alone is faith which pleases God.
 
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Sudakar

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chanchuinchoy said:
God gives wisdom to mankind to be doctors to heal the sick. Isnt that God is the one who heals? What I am trying to say is small sickness doctors will heal, serious sickness, Gods himself will heal by performed miracle.
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Trusting doctors and miracles for healing is not faith. Trusting Christ's atonement alone for healing is faith.
 
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Sudakar

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chanchuinchoy said:
Faith is believing on things not seen. Although you have not seen it but you believe that it is real.
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Totally wrong. Faith is believing on "things not seen" which refers to both the "work of Christ's atonement" and the "salvation from wrath / healing from sicknesses etc" it includes. Both are unseen to us.
 
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Sudakar

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wolfwint said:
In your eyes it seems to me that everything is heresy what is different from your claimes.
And Yes it is unfriendly, the way how you express your words.
Why you dont share with people which have the same View like you?
I hope you and your family are never must going in the situation to go to an doctor ore in an hospital.
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Your claims don't only differ from mine but totally differs from God's word which promises healing through faith in Christ's atonement according to Isaiah 53:4.

My family lives by faith in Christ's atonement for healing.
 
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wolfwint

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Sudakar said:
Your claims don't only differ from mine but totally differs from God's word which promises healing through faith in Christ's atonement according to Isaiah 53:4.

My family lives by faith in Christ's atonement for healing.
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Fine, then Go ahead in your View. Good to Know that God determines what ist right and not you.
 
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jb

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For those interested you can find a bit of a study on healing Here
 
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mystic7

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Guojing said:
As long as you agree that, sometimes healing can come by natural means, I am fine with that.

Its not God's will to supernaturally heal you many times.
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Yes I agree we can be healed by natural means but can you show me in the bible where God did not healed supernaturally once, all I know God is a supernatural God
 
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