Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?
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I am not "trying to merge the two. I am considering the bible as all scripture, not two separate books with two Gods. One book, one God, one way for that eternal God not two ways.
In our kinds of time, God devised the plan for our salvation the moment Adam fell and God has not deviated from that plan. . God told Adam of that plan. The plan has never changed. The sacrificial system explains Christ and Christ is explained by the sacrificial system.
In our kinds of time, God devised the plan for our salvation the moment Adam fell and God has not deviated from that plan. . God told Adam of that plan. The plan has never changed. The sacrificial system explains Christ and Christ is explained by the sacrificial system.
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Exactly the faith of or coming from God .Not faithless men who cannot see past there nose the things God has prepared from them who do love Him
if you were to have the faith of Christ in respect to yourself or another .Then a person would be blaspheming the name of God. To blaspheme is to attribute the work of one to another.
God is not faithless.
if you were to have the faith of Christ in respect to yourself or another .Then a person would be blaspheming the name of God. To blaspheme is to attribute the work of one to another.
God is not faithless.
The two laws become one complete or perfect .
(1) The letter of the law written by the finger of God prophecy as that in which the eyes see, scripture.
It showS our guilt and inability to please God by walking by sight in these earthen bodies of death .
(2) The law of faith as the spirit of the word it works in our heart as the healing mimistry of Christ.
Together they create one perfect or complete law. Psalm 19 ties the two together a one law.
The law of faith (belief) through the work of the faith of God. It works in us to "convert the soul" as his testimony it works to make us wise rejoicing the eyes of hearts.
Psalm 19:7-8 King James Version (KJV) The law of the Lord is perfect, "converting the soul": the testimony of the Lord is sure, "making wise the simple".The statutes of the Lord are right, "rejoicing the heart": the commandment of the Lord is pure, "enlightening the eyes".
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
(1) The letter of the law written by the finger of God prophecy as that in which the eyes see, scripture.
It showS our guilt and inability to please God by walking by sight in these earthen bodies of death .
(2) The law of faith as the spirit of the word it works in our heart as the healing mimistry of Christ.
Together they create one perfect or complete law. Psalm 19 ties the two together a one law.
The law of faith (belief) through the work of the faith of God. It works in us to "convert the soul" as his testimony it works to make us wise rejoicing the eyes of hearts.
Psalm 19:7-8 King James Version (KJV) The law of the Lord is perfect, "converting the soul": the testimony of the Lord is sure, "making wise the simple".The statutes of the Lord are right, "rejoicing the heart": the commandment of the Lord is pure, "enlightening the eyes".
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
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Taken off on your tangent?
I am to old and slow to run from those who say God does not need faith..And I do not think your unbelief in so much that God does not need faith will makes his work of faith without effect. If that was true how could we let him be true and every man a liar so that others might be justified when those who have no faith judge them . We protect the faith of Christ it is that which protects us like a flaming sword guarding the way to our unseen God.
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the "faith of God" without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3:3-4
I am to old and slow to run from those who say God does not need faith..And I do not think your unbelief in so much that God does not need faith will makes his work of faith without effect. If that was true how could we let him be true and every man a liar so that others might be justified when those who have no faith judge them . We protect the faith of Christ it is that which protects us like a flaming sword guarding the way to our unseen God.
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the "faith of God" without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3:3-4
Garee, I don't have "unbelief". What I wrote was that God does not need faith. I didn't say that God doesn't "have" faith, yet you seem to think that I did.
God's word defines faith in Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things not seen.
God's word provides the assurance for the things that we cannot presently see. We need faith to walk with God, to trust Him and His promises. If God were to "need" faith, there would be something that God can't see, and something greater than God to provide the assurance of that something. In and of Himself, God has no lack, and no "need" for anything.
God's word defines faith in Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things not seen.
God's word provides the assurance for the things that we cannot presently see. We need faith to walk with God, to trust Him and His promises. If God were to "need" faith, there would be something that God can't see, and something greater than God to provide the assurance of that something. In and of Himself, God has no lack, and no "need" for anything.
K
Never said two Gods,I believe in the trinity. Never said all the Bible wasn't all Scripture. I said Jesus did away with the OT system of sacrifice, Jesus is a continuance of the OT. We are not under the OT system any more. If you believe we are you are either misunderstanding or twisting Scripture.
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You completely absolutely misunderstand your God when God tells you that you are not under the law.
If you are under grace you have accepted Christ in your life and that means that you live obeying the law.
If you were under the law you would need to be perfect for salvation. If you are under grace you accept the grace of God for your salvation, not law obedience. You take your sins to Christ with repentance and through Christ you are dead to sin and open to law obedience.
If you are under grace you have accepted Christ in your life and that means that you live obeying the law.
If you were under the law you would need to be perfect for salvation. If you are under grace you accept the grace of God for your salvation, not law obedience. You take your sins to Christ with repentance and through Christ you are dead to sin and open to law obedience.
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There is this problem most believers have! That is they are all OUT concerning Jesus and the great commission! But, pay NO Mind, to the WHOLE GOVERNMENT of the Kingdom of Light and Kingdom of God, ON CHRIST'S SHOULDERS!
It is the difference between Inheriting, and Entering the Kingdom of God ONESELF! AFTER Jesus confesses one before Our Father!
Tis a place where God's mercy and grace are NOT so abundant! Fear and trembling? Yeah! There's a LOT of THAT!
Law? Yeah, there's THAT too!
It is the difference between Inheriting, and Entering the Kingdom of God ONESELF! AFTER Jesus confesses one before Our Father!
Tis a place where God's mercy and grace are NOT so abundant! Fear and trembling? Yeah! There's a LOT of THAT!
Law? Yeah, there's THAT too!
K
Galatians 2:15-16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Acts 13:39
and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Galatians 3:10-14
Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM." However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Romans 8:3-4
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
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God our creator gives us salvation when we become righteous. We cannot do that on our own, we need Christ to pay for our sin. We take our sin to Christ and that sin is forgiven, so then what is our part in this? Are we to go sin again without saying we are sorry and will try to do better? Do we tell Christ that being He forgives we are free to sin now? Will Christ forgive a person who tells Christ that to free themselves of sin is works and they know that God demands more than the work of humans?
You are like a workman who demands their paycheck and refuses to do anything required to earn it. I don't think you have Christ at all, for you will not die with Christ or live again in Christ's kingdom.
You are like a workman who demands their paycheck and refuses to do anything required to earn it. I don't think you have Christ at all, for you will not die with Christ or live again in Christ's kingdom.
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I don't think that is quite right. Christ imputes His righteous into us when we become saved. It's nothing of ourselves or our righteousness.
I'm not trying to be rude but you are making this far too complicated. No we aren't sinless but when we do fail we are under His blood not the Law. Otherwise I'd be out in my backyard carvin up a spotless lamb. And I'm pretty sure my HOA is against that. You are mixing old and new testament. The verses I posted makes clear the difference between the two. The Law was to show us our sin,which we could do nothing about, Christ fulfilled the Law and we no longer live under it.
No,it's not like that at all ! It's like you are convicted of a crime. You're guilty. They have you dead to rights. All the evidence points straight at you. You're going away for life, a very long time. The judge reads the verdict of "guilty". You know you're doomed and just as the judge raises the gavel to sentence you for life an innocent man walks in the room and says "these crimes have been paid for,you cannot hold them, they are no longer guilty!!!" You are free!! You deserved the life sentence,you did nothing to save yourself,you were unworthy of forgiveness. You could do nothing to save yourself. There was not way out. The only thing you did was accept the free gift of salvation. That is what it is like. Works do not save you,it is faith alone.
Well thankfully you're not my judge and the price has been paid for my sin. You need not concern yourself.
None of that has anything to do with the OT Law. Read your Bible OT and NT and you'll gain understanding. Right now you have no idea why Jesus came or how salvation works. This is how people fall into error,because people who don't know the Bible share their errors with others. Then they begin to believe it's the truth. smh
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If you deny the scripture told us, whether man has labeled it old or new, you are denying God. God is triune, God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit.. By accepting scripture we are not mixing them up erroneously, we are simply accepting our creator and the words of our creator.
Christ as our salvation is the word and that word was from the beginning, with Adam. God's plan of salvation was given to Adam. God covered him with the coat of animals, symbolic of the coat of the sacrifice of Christ our savior. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. There are divine laws governing how we are to accept Christ, and that law is to repent of our sins through what Christ did to pay for them. That is not mixing anything up with some man made division of God for God is eternal.
Scripture tells us this is so when it explains to us that Christ fulfilled all.
I am not judging you, I am saying that you are not following what God tells us and by not accepting scripture I don't see how God can accept you. That is simply stating a God given fact, not a judgment of your person.
Christ as our salvation is the word and that word was from the beginning, with Adam. God's plan of salvation was given to Adam. God covered him with the coat of animals, symbolic of the coat of the sacrifice of Christ our savior. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. There are divine laws governing how we are to accept Christ, and that law is to repent of our sins through what Christ did to pay for them. That is not mixing anything up with some man made division of God for God is eternal.
Scripture tells us this is so when it explains to us that Christ fulfilled all.
I am not judging you, I am saying that you are not following what God tells us and by not accepting scripture I don't see how God can accept you. That is simply stating a God given fact, not a judgment of your person.
K
No,you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible. The law has passed away in Christ. You are denying the work of Christ. The Trinity has nothing to do with the subject of the law.
Right!!! That was point all long. That is why the Law is no longer in effect. He did away with the Law.
No, the law was to show us our unrighteousness and that none of us could keep the law. What you are talking about is not the OT law. Again you're mixing the two.
I have no problem following Scripture, but you lack understanding. We are not under the Law. You are speaking a false doctrine. We are under the blood,the sacrifice of the OT is gone,that system is over. We have a new covenant in Christ.
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Kay said: ]No,you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible. The law has passed away in Christ. You are denying the work of Christ. The Trinity has nothing to do with the subject of the law.
I say: The law is of God, and God is not to be read as only one person but as all parts of Him. Christ must be thought of as God, not as only the man part of Him.
Kay said: Right!!! That was point all long. That is why the Law is no longer in effect. He did away with the Law.
I said: Christ did not go back and recreate the world into a different world that has no law. Christ pay for our sins so if we use Christ as scripture tells us to we are forgiven our sins and become sinless.
Kay said: No, the law was to show us our unrighteousness and that none of us could keep the law. What you are talking about is not the OT law. Again you're mixing the two.
I said: You cannot make something that is so fundamentally God into just one aspect, one purpose and described with only one word. The 119th Psalm gives a great description of the law that points out many things the law is used for without mentioning this one thing.
Kay said: I have no problem following Scripture, but you lack understanding. We are not under the Law. You are speaking a false doctrine. We are under the blood,the sacrifice of the OT is gone,that system is over. We have a new covenant in Christ.
I answer: Kay tells us she has a problem with scripture saying that to listen to only one part of scripture is the right way, to read scripture is to mix it up in a wrong way. Some scripture, it seems, Kay wants ignored. She understands God as saying to forget about any law, as we aren't under it when God tells us that through Christ we are to die to sin (what the law tells us) and put on the righteousness of Christ. Kay wants us to forget that, be forgiven without any repentance for that is recognizing law to stay away from and there is no law. God tells us that in that case He just won't even hear us. We are to live with Christ.
I say: The law is of God, and God is not to be read as only one person but as all parts of Him. Christ must be thought of as God, not as only the man part of Him.
Kay said: Right!!! That was point all long. That is why the Law is no longer in effect. He did away with the Law.
I said: Christ did not go back and recreate the world into a different world that has no law. Christ pay for our sins so if we use Christ as scripture tells us to we are forgiven our sins and become sinless.
Kay said: No, the law was to show us our unrighteousness and that none of us could keep the law. What you are talking about is not the OT law. Again you're mixing the two.
I said: You cannot make something that is so fundamentally God into just one aspect, one purpose and described with only one word. The 119th Psalm gives a great description of the law that points out many things the law is used for without mentioning this one thing.
Kay said: I have no problem following Scripture, but you lack understanding. We are not under the Law. You are speaking a false doctrine. We are under the blood,the sacrifice of the OT is gone,that system is over. We have a new covenant in Christ.
I answer: Kay tells us she has a problem with scripture saying that to listen to only one part of scripture is the right way, to read scripture is to mix it up in a wrong way. Some scripture, it seems, Kay wants ignored. She understands God as saying to forget about any law, as we aren't under it when God tells us that through Christ we are to die to sin (what the law tells us) and put on the righteousness of Christ. Kay wants us to forget that, be forgiven without any repentance for that is recognizing law to stay away from and there is no law. God tells us that in that case He just won't even hear us. We are to live with Christ.
