Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?

[Blik]

The problem is that we AREN'T God.

Our understanding is not Gods Understanding.

Our strength is not Gods Strength.

Our ways are not Gods Ways.


The way you frame your question shows that you do not understand this. Our relationship with God isn't like a child with its parent. Our relationship with God is more like a blind paraplegic with an Ultra-Wise Olympic weightlifter. The Ultra-Wise Weightlifter is trying to tell the blind paraplegic how to do the Olympic lifts and some of the blind paraplegics think they are doing it. They aren't. They aren't coming close. Maybe they think they are doing pretty good when they measure themselves among themselves. But they aren't getting any white lights from the Ultra-Wise Olympic Weightlifter.

So, yes. It takes a supreme amount of arrogance, or ignorance, to think you are able to obey God in the Way He directs.

That's why the Lord Jesus says without Him you are able to do NOTHING.

I was just repeating the 23rd Psalm, putting my faith in the lord's leading. It tells me not to fear evil, God takes me through. I am forgiven by Christ, protected. You will just have to keep your sin you champion, I have the Lord.

Christ is like a safety net: when I slip God forgives through the blood of Christ, I will NOT say I will not follow God because I slip, I'll take all the help God gives me and try, try again and again. God wipes me absolutely clean each time I fail and I am blessed by the times I attain the Lord's righteousness.

 

[Dino246]

I was just repeating the 23rd Psalm, putting my faith in the lord's leading. It tells me not to fear evil, God takes me through. I am forgiven by Christ, protected. You will just have to keep your sin you champion, I have the Lord.

Christ is like a safety net: when I slip God forgives through the blood of Christ, I will NOT say I will not follow God because I slip, I'll take all the help God gives me and try, try again and again. God wipes me absolutely clean each time I fail and I am blessed by the times I attain the Lord's righteousness.

The Lord's righteousness is never attained; it is only imputed by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. If that's what you meant, great. If you meant that you "attain righteousness" by following the law, you've fallen from grace and are under the curse.

 

[Grandpa]

I was just repeating the 23rd Psalm, putting my faith in the lord's leading. It tells me not to fear evil, God takes me through. I am forgiven by Christ, protected. You will just have to keep your sin you champion, I have the Lord.

Christ is like a safety net: when I slip God forgives through the blood of Christ, I will NOT say I will not follow God because I slip, I'll take all the help God gives me and try, try again and again. God wipes me absolutely clean each time I fail and I am blessed by the times I attain the Lord's righteousness.

Christ is NOT a safety net.

Christ is a choice. You get the law or you get Christ.

You have chosen law. Because you don't understand your predicament. You think you can just try harder next time.

You don't think any of the other blind paraplegics ever thought they could just try harder next time? Of course they did. But the point was for them to come to Christ and receive rest from their failed attempts. And start getting white lights because the Ultra Wise Weightlifter has imputed His Perfect Lifting to help their "score".

 

[Blik]

Christ is NOT a safety net.

Christ is a choice. You get the law or you get Christ.

You have chosen law. Because you don't understand your predicament. You think you can just try harder next time.

You don't think any of the other blind paraplegics ever thought they could just try harder next time? Of course they did. But the point was for them to come to Christ and receive rest from their failed attempts. And start getting white lights because the Ultra Wise Weightlifter has imputed His Perfect Lifting to help their "score".

So you advocate not trying to obey the lord?

If you are saved by faith in God's word yet profess not to have faith enough in to act on that word, how can you be saved? Christ asks for repentant that you say you are against as it would be works, so for you the salvation Christ would so freely give you is out because of the choices you have made.


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[Grandpa]

So you advocate not trying to obey the lord?

If you are saved by faith in God's word yet profess not to have faith enough in to act on that word, how can you be saved? Christ asks for repentant that you say you are against as it would be works, so for you the salvation Christ would so freely give you is out because of the choices you have made.


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I'm not saved by faith in Gods word.

I'm saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Repentance, to me, is when I turn from my work and my understanding and turn back to my Saviour Jesus Christ.

I know that repentance to people who work at the law means to feel bad for failing and try harder.


Its not faith that works at the law. Its lack of faith that works at the law. Faith abides in Christ and does not work at the law.

Romans 4:4-5
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[Blik]

I'm not saved by faith in Gods word.

I'm saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Repentance, to me, is when I turn from my work and my understanding and turn back to my Saviour Jesus Christ.

I know that repentance to people who work at the law means to feel bad for failing and try harder.


Its not faith that works at the law. Its lack of faith that works at the law. Faith abides in Christ and does not work at the law.

Romans 4:4-5
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the unIn the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your mastergodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

You have not posted the conclusion that Romans comes to in this discussion.

Romans 6:11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your masterd the quote of Romans to post the conclusion to this discussion.

Scripture does no tell us to work for the Lord in one place and don't work for the Lord in another. If it did we couldn't rely on scripture as truth.

 

[garee]

Christ is NOT a safety net.

Christ is a choice. You get the law or you get Christ.

You have chosen law. Because you don't understand your predicament. You think you can just try harder next time.

You don't think any of the other blind paraplegics ever thought they could just try harder next time? Of course they did. But the point was for them to come to Christ and receive rest from their failed attempts. And start getting white lights because the Ultra Wise Weightlifter has imputed His Perfect Lifting to help their "score".

Can't separate the "law from the law". as the one law of faith that works in us. The Faith of Christ is a work of God that fulfills the letter of the law. We cannot have the faith of Christ in respect to persons "our own selves" (Blasphemy).

Faith as a work is the gift... previously having none. Therforefore not of our own selves but a labor of His love that does work in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure. Why murmur. ????? rather than just believe?

 

[Dino246]

Can't separate the "law from the law". as the one law of faith that works in us. The Faith of Christ is a work of God that fulfills the letter of the law. We cannot have the faith of Christ in respect to persons "our own selves" (Blasphemy).

Garee, your post probably makes sense to you. It doesn't make sense to me... at all. To me it seems to be a random collection of vaguely scriptural tidbits. Your contributions to this forum would be more valuable if they weren't so convoluted.

 

[garee]

Garee, your post probably makes sense to you. It doesn't make sense to me... at all. To me it seems to be a random collection of vaguely scriptural tidbits. Your contributions to this forum would be more valuable if they weren't so convoluted.

…..at all?

Would you consider faith coming from Christ a law? Many have a hard time reconciling faith coming from God. Many say he does not need faith to work out His promise faith is for the creation and not the Creator.. And try and separate his faith from His works. And in that way pit James against Paul .

Can we have the faith of Christ in respect to persons to include our own selves or would that blaspheme the holy name by which we are called?

 

[Sipsey]

I was just repeating the 23rd Psalm, putting my faith in the lord's leading. It tells me not to fear evil, God takes me through. I am forgiven by Christ, protected. You will just have to keep your sin you champion, I have the Lord.

Christ is like a safety net: when I slip God forgives through the blood of Christ, I will NOT say I will not follow God because I slip, I'll take all the help God gives me and try, try again and again. God wipes me absolutely clean each time I fail and I am blessed by the times I attain the Lord's righteousness.

Isn’t a safety net similar to an insurance policy? Just in case there’s a problem. I hope you simply used the wrong phrase, and don’t actually view Jesus-The Christ as such.

 

[Hevosmies]

Sure they can.

I dont believe obeying the Torah is NEGATIVE in anyway. The law is Holy.

Its not gonna make you anymore saved though, but if you want to put that burden on yourself, go ahead.

 

[Endoscopy]

Since karaite Jews don't adhere to the oral traditions that were later written down like the Talmud it makes no difference. There are temples of Messianic Jews who follow Jesus and the New Testament while also keep much of the language and traditions of Jews where there is no conflict with the whole Bible. These Jews do what Jews have done for thousands of years by modifying the language bringing in the Jewish concepts and terminology of Judaism. They modify the language they live in. An example is Yiddish which is Judeo German. English is a language developed in Britain from Celtic, Latin, German, and French by the sequential conquering of Britain through its history. That's why we have so many rules with exceptions and exceptions to exceptions etc. An example is cactus with the plural of cactae now changed to cacti. The ae is pronounced lika a long i. It's Latin singular and plural. I took Latin for language in high school. Because of this creation of English we don't have a modified language with the Jewish concepts modifying it. They were incorporated in the middle ages.

 

[kaylagrl]

Do you really think it takes arrogance to listen to your God as God directs you? If you were teaching your child, as God is teaching us, and that child tells you no, I can't do all this perfectly so I am not arrogant enough to obey you, what would you say to that child?

You are twisting Scripture and mixing OT and NT. Jesus came to fulfill the law,and He did. We cannot obey the OT Law,that is why blood had to be shed. The blood of lambs didn't take away sin,it covered sin. So the Jews had to sacrifice again and again in ritual. But when Christ came He became the blood sacrifice for sin. He doesn't cover sin, He erases it,like it never happened,because we cannot follow the law. We never could. Now when we fail,and we do, we go to Christ and ask forgiveness of that sin. The OT system is gone. That is why what the Catholics do is wrong. Christ is our high priest,we don't need a man to talk to God for us. Jesus died and paid the sacrifice for our sins. Yes, we obey the Word,but we don't follow the OT laws because we are imperfect and God knew that. That is why He sent the Perfect to shed His blood for us.

 

[Dino246]

…..at all?

At all, like I said.

Would you consider faith coming from Christ a law? Many have a hard time reconciling faith coming from God. Many say he does not need faith to work out His promise faith is for the creation and not the Creator.. And try and separate his faith from His works. And in that way pit James against Paul .

God doesn't need faith; faith is the assurance of things not seen, but God sees all things.

Can we have the faith of Christ in respect to persons to include our own selves or would that blaspheme the holy name by which we are called?

That doesn't make sense either.

 

[JaumeJ]

I was just repeating the 23rd Psalm, putting my faith in the lord's leading. It tells me not to fear evil, God takes me through. I am forgiven by Christ, protected. You will just have to keep your sin you champion, I have the Lord.

Christ is like a safety net: when I slip God forgives through the blood of Christ, I will NOT say I will not follow God because I slip, I'll take all the help God gives me and try, try again and again. God wipes me absolutely clean each time I fail and I am blessed by the times I attain the Lord's righteousness.

I have found your post here to be most inspiring. I pray to always have this faith in our blessed Savior's mercy, so, you prayers for me are always welcome. God bless you always.

 

[Blik]

Sure they can.

I dont believe obeying the Torah is NEGATIVE in anyway. The law is Holy.

Its not gonna make you anymore saved though, but if you want to put that burden on yourself, go ahead.

Obedience to God's way of living is never ever a burden, it is a freedom. If you don't think so, try living as a liar or a drunkard or any of the sins. That is a burden.

 

[kaylagrl]

Obedience to God's way of living is never ever a burden, it is a freedom. If you don't think so, try living as a liar or a drunkard or any of the sins. That is a burden.

If you are talking living under the OT law,no it's not freedom. If it was there was no need for Christ. The old way is passed. Blood sacrifice is over. No one can keep the law. We have freedom in Christ.

 

[garee]

God doesn't need faith; faith is the assurance of things not seen, but God sees all things.

It would seem your understanding of faith as to what it does as a work is lacking understanding.

A faithless God? How could he work seeing work without faith (believing something ) is dead . Did things just evolve without order or did it take a plan of faith ?

What do you mean that God our faithful Creator does not need to believe anything will occur before he works pronouncing the words to make it appear? Let there be and there was.

How does he create without believing or exercising as a work what he hopes for wil come true. Does God have hope ? or does he not need hope either.

What if some do not believe God will it make the faith of God without effect. to effect is to work?

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV) For what if some did not believe?(no faith) shall their unbelief (no faith) make the "faith of God" without effect? (as the work of God)

 

[Dino246]

It would seem your understanding of faith as to what it does as a work is lacking understanding.

A faithless God? How could he work seeing work without faith (believing something ) is dead . Did things just evolve without order or did it take a plan of faith ?

What do you mean that God our faithful Creator does not need to believe anything will occur before he works pronouncing the words to make it appear? Let there be and there was.

How does he create without believing or exercising as a work what he hopes for wil come true. Does God have hope ? or does he not need hope either.

What if some do not believe God will it make the faith of God without effect. to effect is to work?

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV) For what if some did not believe?(no faith) shall their unbelief (no faith) make the "faith of God" without effect? (as the work of God)

Hebrews 11:1.

 

[Blik]

If you are talking living under the OT law,no it's not freedom. If it was there was no need for Christ. The old way is passed. Blood sacrifice is over. No one can keep the law. We have freedom in Christ.

To live under the law in biblical term means to use the law for salvation, it does not mean using the law for disobedience. Living under grace in biblical terms means to use Christ for salvation. You are reading scripture in fleshly terms, not in Christ's terms. The flesh is firmly against living for Christ.