Can homisexuals be saved?

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What is the greater power, one’s sins or God’s saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ? The answer is right before your eyes.
 

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Because it is a super sin. Read Romans 1.

It is a super sin because unlike "natural lust" which is to the opposite gender, this is "unnatural" lust. Against the very order of Creation.

Never let any New Age teacher convince you that "all sin is equal" that teaching is not biblical. What is biblical is that yes if you violate the law, you are now a law breaker and need salvation. However we have different punishments under the law of Moses for different sins, due to the difference in severity of the violation, just as we do today in our countries we live in. The new testament also speaks of this in the letter of John where certain sins are "Unto death" and are not to be prayed for, and others are not.
Super sins are covered by God’s super grace.
 

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Thanks for replying.
When I've heard Anderson preach on this subject, he is compelling, possibly because of his aggressive manner. I need to think on this more.
BTW - I don't want to give anyone the impression that I'M homosexual, because I'm not.
 

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What gets ones name written in the Lambs book of life? No believer is walking a sinless life. All have some sin.. doubt this? then ask Him to show you but.. you have to mean it with you heart since it will require a change that you might not want to make. Anyway there is no sin that keeps us out of heaven. Sin can not enter heaven. What gets one in is knowing Jesus Christ as your lord. Did He die for all your sins or not? Is there some sin that Christ never died for never forgave? Are you only righteous if you have no sin? Hmm seems we are righteous because we believe in Jesus not because we never sin.

Homosexually or just lying.. lying do you know how many believers believe you can lie? Eph 4 gets tossed out. So lying or gay its a sin and will never enter heaven. So if you lie right now and then die are you doomed forever :) Is that how this works? Ooh what if you forget to repent or you just didn't and die doomed forever are you?

No one can answer this since we can't know the heart which God only sees. We are judging based only on flesh God is not. To not fully understand believe gay is a sin and be in that... then there is no sin. By that I mean they are blind and Christ said if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains. Now to know fully understand with your heart that SIN you do is wrong and you are not stuck in it trying to get out but you freely are doing it knowing GOD is against it...well its not a path I ever want to be on. We still don't know the heart.

See its not my creation not my kids. To many lets say see two kids sitting there and pick up the sinful one toss it in the fire then turn and say LOVE YOU JESUS! If they have kids...try to tell how to just raise their kids. Yet we have no problem telling a GOD what He needs to do with His kids and His creation.. no fear no honor no respect.

Thank you for your input.
 

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I already own a Bible (actually quite a few Bibles). What is your point?

A person's faith is not the cause of their eternal deliverance, but it can be the cause of them being delivered, from things, as they sojourn here in this world. Salvation is a deliverance. Be careful to divide eternal deliverances from timely deliverances.
 

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God eventually rejects a lot of people.

Anybody ever read that Pharaoh hardened his heart against Moses and His God.
Eventually God rejected Pharaoh and hardened his heart.
 

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I would like to hear a thousand testimonies of homosexuals salvations. There's probably a lot of them that were molested by perverts as children. I feel bad for them; the children, NOT the child rapists. Believers should try to reach all Children, teens and young adults with the gospel before it's too late.
Christians should also protect their children from opportunities for the predators to get hold of them. That includes protecting their girls from colleges as I'm reminded as school begins.
 
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do we serve a God who is capable of renewing and changing people from who they were to becoming something that represents a child of God?

i Believe so, because all of us were born into SIN and needed to be changed.

why would the homosexuals be any different?
 
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I would like to hear a thousand testimonies of homosexuals salvations. There's probably a lot of them that were molested by perverts as children. I feel bad for them; the children, NOT the child rapists. Believers should try to reach all Children, teens and young adults with the gospel before it's too late.
Christians should also protect their children from opportunities for the predators to get hold of them. That includes protecting their girls from colleges as I'm reminded as school begins.
AMEN!
 
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Thanks for replying.
When I've heard Anderson preach on this subject, he is compelling, possibly because of his aggressive manner. I need to think on this more.
BTW - I don't want to give anyone the impression that I'M homosexual, because I'm not.
mark my words:

as hardcore as Anderson is towards homosexuals, watch what happens to his own sons. there's a couple already that look like they prefer dolls over sports. wonder what Anderson will do when they finally come out of the closet? 10 years from now, homosexuals will be so prominent Anderson won't be able to stop it if it does happen.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Thanks for replying.
When I've heard Anderson preach on this subject, he is compelling, possibly because of his aggressive manner. I need to think on this more.
BTW - I don't want to give anyone the impression that I'M homosexual, because I'm not.
What he preaches on is relevant to the times in which we live. After I trusted Christ as my Savior, I attended a Baptist church, not one of the liberal denominations, but the kind that put the "E" in evangelical. The preacher's I met along the way were very compassionate one on one, but preached hard against all kinds of sins relevant to the time from the pulpits. That kept me out of a lot of trouble and I'm grateful for it. That was before YouTube and so the homos didn't hear it. Now there are people who make it their full time job to censor and do everything they can to undermine preaching against sins. The militant atheist/ homosexual / Satanists have joined hands in solidarity to censor, undermine and destroy this kind of Christianity. Liberals have nothing to worry about since they share the same purpose and enemy. When people attack my brothers and sisters in Christ, they like to take the propaganda from the many top search results, nearly all of which are websites devoted to the destruction of Christianity. They revel in atheist sites that gossip, malign, back bite, and create railing accusations even attacking children of the pastors they hate. That's something that even the Mafias used to have an unwritten code against.

Example#1
"Loving peaceful" homosexuals knowing they are leaving illegal recordings threatening to do horrible things to church members and children.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/12other/LGBT_Death_Threats_Against_Christians.mp4
 

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I'm happy that you see my point, so let me expound upon it a bit.

Romans chapter 1

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

For what cause?

Well, just read the verse IN CONTEXT.

Paul was talking about those who "were without excuse" or those "who knew God", and then "became vain in their imaginations" or those who "changed the truth of God into a lie".

Again, do you HONESTLY believe that this describes all homosexuals?

Of course, it doesn't.

Context is everything.

Steven Anderson is a hate-filled heretic.
Should these "hate-filled heretical" angels have gone outside and dropped their pants for the city of Sodom, to show their solidarity and "love?"
How DARE these Angels smite the men with blindness!!! Preachers only preach to their own people to beware of letting their children near perverts, but these angels actually did violence against a whole city of men who just wanted to" love on them."

  1. "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
  2. 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
  3. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
  4. 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
  5. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
  6. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
  7. 10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
  8. 11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door."
 
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any Church i have ever visited for awhile i discovered people there on 2, 3, and 4 marriages. clearly, by going how the Bible is written, many were actually committing Adultery. but how odd [[((to IGNORE that Message))]] in order to bash same sex people who aren't even in the church building during the Sermon?

so many Preachers are FAKE and their Doctrines are Demonic!
 

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any Church i have ever visited for awhile i discovered people there on 2, 3, and 4 marriages. clearly, by going how the Bible is written, many were actually committing Adultery. but how odd [[((to IGNORE that Message))]] in order to bash same sex people who aren't even in the church building during the Sermon?

so many Preachers are FAKE and their Doctrines are Demonic!
Hey Watcher,

Who's ignoring adultery?
Are you talking to me?
 
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Hey Watcher,

Who's ignoring adultery?
Are you talking to me?
it was to no one specific.
it's been an observation of mine from experience.
you have real issues within your congregation, but they pay tithes/offering so you ignore that for something not even relating to the congregation itself.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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any Church i have ever visited for awhile i discovered people there on 2, 3, and 4 marriages. clearly, by going how the Bible is written, many were actually committing Adultery. but how odd [[((to IGNORE that Message))]] in order to bash same sex people who aren't even in the church building during the Sermon?

so many Preachers are FAKE and their Doctrines are Demonic!
If you are talking about my brother in Christ, Steve Anderson, here's what he has to say about adultery.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/02preaching/Sermons_Pastor_Anderson/Avoiding_Adultery_Hebrews_13_4.mp4

Perhaps there'll be a crowd of adulterers and adulteresses with bullhorns disturbing the service, exposing their nakedness to the children, and blasting blasphemous obscenities and death threats to the members as they enter and exit their church, but I doubt it. It's the homos who get the trophy for that and blowing up churches.
Go read the first book of the Bible and you'll come across that crowd before you get bored. Then skip to Judges and much of chapter 19 details what so many of those loving people are like.

I still witness to them if they approach me as one young man did recently. He thought the same way about ALL evangelicals as bear said of Pastor Anderson.
He heard the gospel but just wanted to condemn God.
 

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Should these "hate-filled heretical" angels have gone outside and dropped their pants for the city of Sodom, to show their solidarity and "love?"

How DARE these Angels smite the men with blindness!!! Preachers only preach to their own people to beware of letting their children near perverts, but these angels actually did violence against a whole city of men who just wanted to" love on them."
You seem to be of the wrong impression that Sodom's only sin was homosexuality, but it wasn't.

For example, the Lord himself said in relation to Sodom:

Ezekiel chapter 16

[49] Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
[50] And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Granted, the "committed abomination before me" part most likely included the sin of homosexuality, but, even then, it came on the heels of such sins as pride and haughtiness. Furthermore, it seems rather obvious that not everyone who was destroyed in Sodom was a homosexual.

For example, we read the following about Sodom some time before their destruction:

Genesis chapter 13

[12] Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
[13] But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

God acknowledged that the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before him exceedingly before Lot ever moved there, but there were also definitely WOMEN in Sodom and, in all likelihood, children in Sodom as well.

Prior to Sodom's destruction, four kings made war against the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 14:1-2).

Here's what eventually happened:

Genesis chapter 14

[11] And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way.
[12] And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.
[13] And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eschol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.
[14] And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
[15] And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
[16] And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
[17] And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
[18] And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
[19] And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
[21] And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
[22] And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
[23] That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
[24] Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Abram/Abraham returned "the persons" to the king of Sodom, and these "persons" include "the women also".

Were these "women" homosexuals?

They were apparently among those who were ultimately destroyed in Sodom's overthrow.

And what about Lot's sons-in-law?

Were they homosexuals?

Picking up where your "quote" ended, we read:

Genesis chapter 19

[12] And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
[13] For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
[14] And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

Again, not everyone in Sodom was a homosexual, and God couldn't find even 10 righteous among them or else he wouldn't have destroyed the city (Gen. 18:32).

Anyhow, Steven Anderson is a HATE-FILLED HERETIC...and you're apparently one of his disciples.

I'd repent of that if I were you.