They are not out of line at all. I commented about your public posts, which I read, and made application. This has nothing to do with who you are, but your failure to exegete the scriptures properly. I still ask that you leave. You didn't come back to answer my critique, or provide sound exegesis, or to contribute to this topic. You came back to insult and accuse me, which is frankly rude and uncalled for. I exegeted John chapter 3, using the original language and applying the whole text. If you cannot see how Jesus clearly teaches election in this passage, it isn't my fault. But false accusations and ad hominim won't do you any favors.
Calvinism And Predestination
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This is still being debated if Calvin did in fact teach faith is a gift, since he often contradicted himself.
I would agree with this statement,
“Faith, then, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ. And so he adds, not of yourselves; that claiming nothing for themselves, they may acknowledge God alone as the author of their salvation…”
-John Calvin
I would agree with this statement,
“Faith, then, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ. And so he adds, not of yourselves; that claiming nothing for themselves, they may acknowledge God alone as the author of their salvation…”
-John Calvin
Is there anyone here that knows how to read? Honestly this surface level, single sentence exegesis is embarrassing. You call yourselves Christian's and you cannot even read the Bible properly? Let's try this again.
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."
John 3:13-21 ESV
See? Plain as day. The phrase 'whoever believes' is the Greek word πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων (pas o pisteuon) and it is more accurately rendered "all that believe" or all the believing ones. In this passage Christ gives us two classes of people. Believers and non-believers. He calls believers the "cosmos" or world. Those are who he is sent for. He was not sent to condemn them, but to save them. They are loved.
Then IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE he tells us about a different group. The non believing ones. They are CONDEMNED ALREADY. it is the opposite for them. They are not loved, they are not sent for, they are not sought. They are CONDEMNED already. John uses the present tense for both groups to show that they are distinct. He describes them in opposite was. Jesus here is making his teaching very very clear. He came for His people, the believing ones. They are whom God loves. The other group isn't. That's calvinism. Plain and simple. You can sit here all day and say we are twisting the scriptures, but YOU are the one twisting. You quote single sentences and make to attempt to interpret them in their context. You plainly ignore THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE so that you can hide from the truth taught there. I've seen your posts and others like you on here that want to say the big mean calvinist' are saying mean and nasty things. We are the bad guys. Well I'll say this. I've shown CLEARLY AND IN CONTEXT that your reading of this passage is wrong. You have quoted a single sentence. I've shown that you are slandering calvinists, and I'd like to hear an apology. I've shown that you have twisted the scriptures out of context. For that you everyone on here an apology. I'll await your response.
May God be the Judge
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."
John 3:13-21 ESV
See? Plain as day. The phrase 'whoever believes' is the Greek word πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων (pas o pisteuon) and it is more accurately rendered "all that believe" or all the believing ones. In this passage Christ gives us two classes of people. Believers and non-believers. He calls believers the "cosmos" or world. Those are who he is sent for. He was not sent to condemn them, but to save them. They are loved.
Then IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE he tells us about a different group. The non believing ones. They are CONDEMNED ALREADY. it is the opposite for them. They are not loved, they are not sent for, they are not sought. They are CONDEMNED already. John uses the present tense for both groups to show that they are distinct. He describes them in opposite was. Jesus here is making his teaching very very clear. He came for His people, the believing ones. They are whom God loves. The other group isn't. That's calvinism. Plain and simple. You can sit here all day and say we are twisting the scriptures, but YOU are the one twisting. You quote single sentences and make to attempt to interpret them in their context. You plainly ignore THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE so that you can hide from the truth taught there. I've seen your posts and others like you on here that want to say the big mean calvinist' are saying mean and nasty things. We are the bad guys. Well I'll say this. I've shown CLEARLY AND IN CONTEXT that your reading of this passage is wrong. You have quoted a single sentence. I've shown that you are slandering calvinists, and I'd like to hear an apology. I've shown that you have twisted the scriptures out of context. For that you everyone on here an apology. I'll await your response.
May God be the Judge
He foreknows people. "Those whom he foreknew". My point is that the object is persons, not details or events. That what the passage says.
You are saying that God foreknows people after they are saved? That seems backwards. It says God forwknows them, then predestines them for a purpose, then justifies and glorified them. This is all in the past. How is that not obvious?
You are saying that God foreknows people after they are saved? That seems backwards. It says God forwknows them, then predestines them for a purpose, then justifies and glorified them. This is all in the past. How is that not obvious?
I made a longer reply to magenta earlier in this forum. Feel free to read it. But I recommend reading the passage provided. It should clear this up some 
Again you quote a single sentence removed from it's context. Why anyone thinks this is the proper way to read the Bible is beyond me. Here we go.
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years!
I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Galatians 4:8-11 ESV
Paul is making a comparison between those enslaved to the law and sin and those who are free in Christ. His point is pretty clear. You claim to be believers (which would make you known by God) but you are behaving like unbelieving Jews. He is worried that his preaching was in vain because they were acting like their profession of faith was false!!! He is clearly saying that believers are known by God, and you claim to be among them. Yet your desire to be slaves to the law is evidencing otherwise. Reading entire passages instead of single sentences with a few bold words would really help you understand it better.
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years!
I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Galatians 4:8-11 ESV
Paul is making a comparison between those enslaved to the law and sin and those who are free in Christ. His point is pretty clear. You claim to be believers (which would make you known by God) but you are behaving like unbelieving Jews. He is worried that his preaching was in vain because they were acting like their profession of faith was false!!! He is clearly saying that believers are known by God, and you claim to be among them. Yet your desire to be slaves to the law is evidencing otherwise. Reading entire passages instead of single sentences with a few bold words would really help you understand it better.
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I WOULD NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING CALVIN SAID, MYSELF, WHEN YOU KNOW THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT HIM!!
John Calvin's homosexuality? Oxford historical theologian and principal of the evangelical Wycliffe Hall, Alister McGrath, reviews The Early Reformation on the Continent by Owen Chadwick in the Times Literary Supplement (June 14). Noting that Calvin “attracted eulogy and vilification in equal measure,” McGrath writes: “Jerome Bolsec, with whom Calvin crossed swords in 1551, went on to publish a scurrilous (but highly entertaining) life of Calvin in 1577. His subject, according to Bolsec, was irredeemably tedious and malicious, bloodthirsty and frustrated. He treated his own words as if they were the word of God, and allowed himself to be worshipped by his followers. In addition to frequently engaging in homosexual activity, he had an undiscriminating habit of indulging himself sexually with any female within walking distance. Thus, according to Bolsec, Calvin resigned his benefices at Noyon on account of the public exposure of his homosexuality.” According to McGrath: “Bolsec's biography makes much more interesting reading than the more deferential biographies of Theodore Beza [Calvin's cohort who was, himself, accused of homosexuality] and Nicolas Colladon.”
In Leiden historian Alastair Hamilton's review of Bernard Cottret's new Calvin biography (in the same issue of the TLS), he grants that “Despite the number of studies and biographies which continue to appear on John Calvin, the man himself remains elusive.” He affirms: “Calvin is all but entirely concealed behind his theological writings.”
Calvin was a CLOSET QUEER, enjoyed several men and women, so he was being BI-SEXUAL. He spoke as if he was God, and never stopped those from worshiping him as if he was God.
If this faggot actually believed in predestination, then he should have understood his was on the path towards the Lake of Fire!!
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MORE FACTS:
(1) in 1527, the year he was 18, Calvin was arrested, tried, and convicted of homosexual activity. Instead of being executed (per French law at the time), he was branded with a fleur-de-lis on one of his shoulders.
(2) In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin’s birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy. He had by then already received the tonsure. His parents obtained clemency from the bishop, so that instead of being condemned to death as the law demanded, he was branded as a sign of infamy. The Catholic controversialist presented the evidence signed by all the eminent personages of the city. The English scholar Stapleton went there to examine the archives during Calvin’s lifetime, and vouched for the fact. The contemporary German Lutherans spoke of it as an established fact (Schlusselburg, Theologie calvinienne).
What an example to set up the House of God in
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MORE FACTS:
(1) in 1527, the year he was 18, Calvin was arrested, tried, and convicted of homosexual activity. Instead of being executed (per French law at the time), he was branded with a fleur-de-lis on one of his shoulders.
(2) In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin’s birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy. He had by then already received the tonsure. His parents obtained clemency from the bishop, so that instead of being condemned to death as the law demanded, he was branded as a sign of infamy. The Catholic controversialist presented the evidence signed by all the eminent personages of the city. The English scholar Stapleton went there to examine the archives during Calvin’s lifetime, and vouched for the fact. The contemporary German Lutherans spoke of it as an established fact (Schlusselburg, Theologie calvinienne).
What an example to set up the House of God in
(1) in 1527, the year he was 18, Calvin was arrested, tried, and convicted of homosexual activity. Instead of being executed (per French law at the time), he was branded with a fleur-de-lis on one of his shoulders.
(2) In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin’s birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy. He had by then already received the tonsure. His parents obtained clemency from the bishop, so that instead of being condemned to death as the law demanded, he was branded as a sign of infamy. The Catholic controversialist presented the evidence signed by all the eminent personages of the city. The English scholar Stapleton went there to examine the archives during Calvin’s lifetime, and vouched for the fact. The contemporary German Lutherans spoke of it as an established fact (Schlusselburg, Theologie calvinienne).
What an example to set up the House of God in
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