Bible versions-Is there only one?

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Is there only one true version of the Bible?

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John146

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Aerials1978 said:
It doesn’t, but that’s in Luke 19:10
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I wonder why new versions are disingenuous and skip that verse number and carry on like they had a verse 11. Why not just make their verse 12 their verse 11 and so forth.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Yes so how do you know if the verse should be added or taken out? This comes from the modern discoveries of new manuscripts and fragments where not all include that verse.

So to be intellectually honest the NIV includes it in the footnotes. Even without the verse, those same words are found in Luke.
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Always be skeptical of “modern discoveries.” Remember, Satan is the great imposter.
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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John146 said:
Can you give an example of scripture, when evangelizing, that is difficult in the KJV? Thanks.
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Example? I'm not talking about scripture. I'm talking about the Old English words in scripture that we no longer speak. Do you speak like the KJV to your spouse or friends? Why are you not speaking it now to me? Is it because speaking in modern English is easier for your audience?
 
Aerials1978

Aerials1978

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John146 said:
I wonder why new versions are disingenuous and skip that verse number and carry on like they had a verse 11. Why not just make their verse 12 their verse 11 and so forth.
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I really don’t know. I don’t think it’s due to nefarious reasons.
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
I wonder why new versions are disingenuous and skip that verse number and carry on like they had a verse 11. Why not just make their verse 12 their verse 11 and so forth.
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Consistent referencing is a very good reason not to renumber the included verses in translations that exclude highly-questionable verses.
 
Dino246

Dino246

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John146 said:
Always be skeptical of “modern discoveries.” Remember, Satan is the great imposter.
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Another bad argument. You're full of them! This one could be applied just as easily in 1611.
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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John146 said:
Always be skeptical of “modern discoveries.” Remember, Satan is the great imposter.
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Skeptical until proven genuine. There is whole fields of science and Christians out their in the Holy Land making discoveries every year.

Point is there is so much evidence that the one verse you are picking at is part of the 2% of scriptures that we question. Technically even if we decided these questionable verses should be removed, they still wouldn't hurt the Chapter or message. Usually the verses are just repeated elsewhere.
 
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John146

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Example? I'm not talking about scripture. I'm talking about the Old English words in scripture that we no longer speak. Do you speak like the KJV to your spouse or friends? Why are you not speaking it now to me? Is it because speaking in modern English is easier for your audience?
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Can you give a verse that you would use when evangelizing that is too difficult to understand if using the KJV? Thanks.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
Consistent referencing is a very good reason not to renumber the included verses in translations that exclude highly-questionable verses.
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Why do they care about the KJV? I guarantee you the KJV couldn’t care less about any new version.
 
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John146

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Skeptical until proven genuine. There is whole fields of science and Christians out their in the Holy Land making discoveries every year.

Point is there is so much evidence that the one verse you are picking at is part of the 2% of scriptures that we question. Technically even if we decided these questionable verses should be removed, they still wouldn't hurt the Chapter or message. Usually the verses are just repeated elsewhere.
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They would hurt the reliability of Scripture?

A true witness cannot lie.
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
Why do they care about the KJV? I guarantee you the KJV couldn’t care less about any new version.
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The KJV isn't the standard for verse numbering. That was developed by Robert Estienne, whose numbering the KJV followed.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Yes so how do you know if the verse should be added or taken out? This comes from the modern discoveries of new manuscripts and fragments where not all include that verse.

So to be intellectually honest the NIV includes it in the footnotes. Even without the verse, those same words are found in Luke.
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Have you of the New Heart English Bible, man that has a lot of footnotes and it’s free, it’s in standard English nothing fancy. there’s another called the basic bible something like that but its in 800 standard words, I think it was made for folks who don’t know English all that well
 
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John146 said:
Can you give a verse that you would use when evangelizing that is too difficult to understand if using the KJV? Thanks.
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Exodus 28:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.

Just one example. What is ouches of gold? Or who speaks as shalt thou?
 
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John146

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Exodus 28:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.

Just one example. What is ouches of gold? Or who speaks as shalt thou?
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Why would you use this verse when evangelizing?
 
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John146

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Exodus 28:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.

Just one example. What is ouches of gold? Or who speaks as shalt thou?
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Here’s your quote: “Try and evangelize to a teenager or millennial using the Kjv and that just makes the message even harder to get across.”
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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John146 said:
Why would you use this verse when evangelizing?
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When teaching scripture this language is all throughout the KJV. You ask for a scripture. I'm not talking about certain scripture but the language
 
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