Baptism, Born again, how are they connected?
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Baptism in water is the act of being born again.
John 3:3 Iesus answered, and said vnto him, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne againe, he cannot see the kingdome of God.
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
John 3:7 Marueile not that I saide vnto thee, Ye must be borne againe.
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
Christ said we must do it.
I did it and followed His words.
There should be no disagreements.
John 3:3 Iesus answered, and said vnto him, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne againe, he cannot see the kingdome of God.
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
John 3:7 Marueile not that I saide vnto thee, Ye must be borne againe.
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
Christ said we must do it.
I did it and followed His words.
There should be no disagreements.
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Baptism is not mentioned in John 3.
Your adding to the word of God.
Jesus told nicodemous how to be born again.
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
Notice
1. No mention of baptism in the how to be born again passage,
2. No mention of baptism at all in who is condemned and not condemned.
For something so important Jesus sure did forget when he left that word out
Your adding to the word of God.
Jesus told nicodemous how to be born again.
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
Notice
1. No mention of baptism in the how to be born again passage,
2. No mention of baptism at all in who is condemned and not condemned.
For something so important Jesus sure did forget when he left that word out
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Amen! If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then Jesus would have mentioned it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then God would not make so many statements in which He promises eternal life/salvation to those who simply BELIEVE.. (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; 20:31; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..)
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then God would not make so many statements in which He promises eternal life/salvation to those who simply BELIEVE.. (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; 20:31; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..)
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No
Everyone is born of water when they are born of flesh. Jesus is telling him that birth is not enough. You have to be born of water and spirit.
Again, If baptism was that important Jesus woudl have said believe AND BE BAPTIZED
Fact is, only the baptism of the spirit can save you, Your trying to replace the baptism of God wiht the baptism of man, Thats blasphemy of the worse kind man..
Everyone is born of water when they are born of flesh. Jesus is telling him that birth is not enough. You have to be born of water and spirit.
Again, If baptism was that important Jesus woudl have said believe AND BE BAPTIZED
Fact is, only the baptism of the spirit can save you, Your trying to replace the baptism of God wiht the baptism of man, Thats blasphemy of the worse kind man..
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By Water Baptism Our Flesh and Spirit gets born again:
John 3:6 That which is borne of the flesh, is flesh, and that which is borne of the spirit, is spirit.
We came out of water the first time from the womb so now we must get back into the water again by baptism the 2nd time to be born again and made new as the scripture hath said. A new creature!
Easy to understand.
John 3:6 That which is borne of the flesh, is flesh, and that which is borne of the spirit, is spirit.
We came out of water the first time from the womb so now we must get back into the water again by baptism the 2nd time to be born again and made new as the scripture hath said. A new creature!
Easy to understand.
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Whatever dude.
You ron your own.
Continue to live in this world where your WORKS OF Righteousness saves you.
My bible says it is NOT by works of righteousness which I have done, but by his mercy he saved me by the WASHING (baptism) and RENEWAL (new birth) of the Holy Spririt
Water baptism IS a work of righteousness.. So continue to think your saved by your works.. but you have been shown how it is error.
You ron your own.
Continue to live in this world where your WORKS OF Righteousness saves you.
My bible says it is NOT by works of righteousness which I have done, but by his mercy he saved me by the WASHING (baptism) and RENEWAL (new birth) of the Holy Spririt
Water baptism IS a work of righteousness.. So continue to think your saved by your works.. but you have been shown how it is error.
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Baptism of the Holy spirit is directly connected to being born again.
Water baptism is a lovely physical cerimony to profess to the world what God has done for us spiritually. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(Jesus chose to use birth as an earthly example to help the lost Nicodemus who believed in works and didn't understand spiritual things to explain something spiritual to him)
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(again Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus)
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(still speaking of brith and trying to relate the two.... born of water = anatomical fluid (born of flesh) and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new (when we are born again))
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(again further explaining the two births.... born of flesh = born of water / born of Spirit = God)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
nothing about baptism here
Jesus clearly demonstrates His point though, and it has nothing to do with water baptism
Water baptism is a lovely physical cerimony to profess to the world what God has done for us spiritually. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(Jesus chose to use birth as an earthly example to help the lost Nicodemus who believed in works and didn't understand spiritual things to explain something spiritual to him)
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(again Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus)
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(still speaking of brith and trying to relate the two.... born of water = anatomical fluid (born of flesh) and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new (when we are born again))
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(again further explaining the two births.... born of flesh = born of water / born of Spirit = God)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
nothing about baptism here
Jesus clearly demonstrates His point though, and it has nothing to do with water baptism
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