Are you really saved or do you just think you are? Exposing the lie of Easy Believism
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If you believe that you can go on living like the devil after putting your faith in Jesus Christ and not worry about Gods wrath, then you obviously do not know the truth.
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
Great another worker for.....
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.........
NO ONE believes what you espouse above and no one has said or implied what you espouse above.......spend some time reading what people believe before you ascribe the above to anyone....it seems to be a characteristic trait of those who believe their works and adherence to the law is what FINISHES off their salvation.....
I suggest Galatians 1 and 3<----FAITH plus WORKS of ANY SORT to finish off or maintain salvation = false gospel, no power, double cursed and those who believe it are called fools and bewitched....
end of story!
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.........
NO ONE believes what you espouse above and no one has said or implied what you espouse above.......spend some time reading what people believe before you ascribe the above to anyone....it seems to be a characteristic trait of those who believe their works and adherence to the law is what FINISHES off their salvation.....
I suggest Galatians 1 and 3<----FAITH plus WORKS of ANY SORT to finish off or maintain salvation = false gospel, no power, double cursed and those who believe it are called fools and bewitched....
end of story!
The basis of your argument is the same thing said and pushed by all workers for on this site MATE.....the BUT seems to indicate <---same words I used in my quote above bro.....and again NO ONE who believes in grace dia faith eternal salvation states we can live like the "DEBIL"
Peace bro!
YOUR quote
Originally Posted by vl
If you believe that you can go on living like the devil after putting your faith in Jesus Christ and not worry about Gods wrath, then you obviously do not know the truth.
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
Peace bro!
YOUR quote
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
Trying to live by our own self-effort in order to create and maintain our own righteousness - is also living like the devil just the same as any other type of sinning.
The truth is of the gospel is there is no wrath of God for the believer that is in Christ. It is vitally important to get the "gospel" right to begin with.
Romans 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
John 5:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
The truth is of the gospel is there is no wrath of God for the believer that is in Christ. It is vitally important to get the "gospel" right to begin with.
Romans 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
John 5:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
I want so bad for believers to live in the victorious life and do the good works that God has created us to do. I would like one day to go by where I do not sin in thought or deed, but this old flesh that I'm in makes it difficult most of the time. I am such a selfish creature. It's not until the life to come, where I'll finally be able to say, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
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The basis of your argument is the same thing said and pushed by all workers for on this site MATE.....the BUT seems to indicate <---same words I used in my quote above bro.....and again NO ONE who believes in grace dia faith eternal salvation states we can live like the "DEBIL"
Peace bro!
YOUR quote
Originally Posted by vl
If you believe that you can go on living like the devil after putting your faith in Jesus Christ and not worry about Gods wrath, then you obviously do not know the truth.
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
Peace bro!
YOUR quote
Of course it is by Gods grace through faith we are saved..but it is to them that walk also in that faith - the "just" shall live by faith
Romans 2:13"For not the hearers of the law are the just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Don't let these false teachings fool you into believing that you can go on sinning and still have a one way ticket to eternal life. Read the word. We cannot assume that Gods wrath is only for the unbelievers. His wrath is stored up for them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth ....( Romans 2:8)
God bless you.
Well said.... many people think that one simply "becomes" Christ-like when they are saved.... forgetting that one does not become a wise adult at birth.
It is the process of growing... of learning and practicing adult behavior, that leads us to being a mature adult.
If a child simply exists, that child will never become an adult. They might grow physically, but they will always be a child, mentally and emotionally.
It is the process of growing... of learning and practicing adult behavior, that leads us to being a mature adult.
If a child simply exists, that child will never become an adult. They might grow physically, but they will always be a child, mentally and emotionally.
Hi Desertrose. Good point. I think James IS making a contrast, but that doesn't really address the fact that Jesus wasn't a demon, and didn't die for them. They also DO NOT love, which is a Fruit, not a work, of the Holy Spirit.
The classic example of a workless, yet Fruitful, SAVED Christian, is the thief on the Cross. He had NO works, only faith in his declaration of who Jesus is. Yet he continues to produce Fruit. How many prisoners have come to the Lord because of his example?
I don't believe this absolves Christians from doing good works, but those good works must not be blurred with the idea that they are necessary for salvation.
I believe you can be a workless, even sinning, saved Christian, BUT I GUARANTEE, if you have been saved, given a new heart, and are a new creation,YOU WILL BE A MISERABLE person. God will not leave you in that state. Either your'e His child, and He will do what's necessary to draw you back to Him, or you are not, and He will eventually harden your heart. I don't think you can grieve the Holy Spirit without consequence. I unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, am a living testament to that fact.
Love Him. Love each other. Let Him work in you to do the works He made you to do.
The classic example of a workless, yet Fruitful, SAVED Christian, is the thief on the Cross. He had NO works, only faith in his declaration of who Jesus is. Yet he continues to produce Fruit. How many prisoners have come to the Lord because of his example?
I don't believe this absolves Christians from doing good works, but those good works must not be blurred with the idea that they are necessary for salvation.
I believe you can be a workless, even sinning, saved Christian, BUT I GUARANTEE, if you have been saved, given a new heart, and are a new creation,YOU WILL BE A MISERABLE person. God will not leave you in that state. Either your'e His child, and He will do what's necessary to draw you back to Him, or you are not, and He will eventually harden your heart. I don't think you can grieve the Holy Spirit without consequence. I unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, am a living testament to that fact.
Love Him. Love each other. Let Him work in you to do the works He made you to do.
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Hi Ed, I'll comment in blue within your text. 
Do you personally know of someone who says they believe and are saved and are living their life in habitual sin?
Hi Desertrose. Good point. I think James IS making a contrast, but that doesn't really address the fact that Jesus wasn't a demon, and didn't die for them. They also DO NOT love, which is a Fruit, not a work, of the Holy Spirit.
As I was reading some of the posts, I don't believe that Ariel was inferring that Jesus was a demon, nor that He died for them. If I'm wrong than I apologize ahead of time. Sometimes we all misunderstand what's being said.
It's just that I didn't read any of that in Ariel's posts. I didn't see her saying demons love either. She was trying to make the point that James was showing two types of faith and only one is genuine.
The classic example of a workless, yet Fruitful, SAVED Christian, is the thief on the Cross. He had NO works, only faith in his declaration of who Jesus is. Yet he continues to produce Fruit. How many prisoners have come to the Lord because of his example?
I don't believe this absolves Christians from doing good works, but those good works must not be blurred with the idea that they are necessary for salvation.
This is where I get really confused. I almost feel like, because of the way some respond, work or obey becomes a four letter word.
Some seem to want to tiptoe around the word 'works' in fear that they'll be tagged with some type of spiritual disease. Jesus said that works will follow, obedience will follow, fruit will follow.
I'll use a scripture out of 1 Peter since that's what I'm studying at the moment, but there are many scriptures that tell us that genuine faith is NOT PERFECTION, but a new creation in Christ will work, will obey, will produce fruit.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. 1 Peter 1:1-2
Here Peter is telling us that we're chosen TO OBEY. Being saved by grace through faith is righteous. We've been removed from the kingdom of darkness and placed into the kingdom of light. We're a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people to show forth the praises of Him who has brought us out of darkness, into His marvelous light.
The old man and the new man have drastic differing characteristics. Even the thief on the cross had a change of heart. Had he lived he would have continued on in the faith....the faith that works.
I believe you can be a workless, even sinning, saved Christian, BUT I GUARANTEE, if you have been saved, given a new heart, and are a new creation,YOU WILL BE A MISERABLE person. God will not leave you in that state. Either your'e His child, and He will do what's necessary to draw you back to Him, or you are not, and He will eventually harden your heart. I don't think you can grieve the Holy Spirit without consequence. I unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, am a living testament to that fact.
I agree that a true believer can get caught up in sin. We have David as a perfect example of that. But the true believer can't stay in a sinful lifestyle. Eventually they'll repent and return to the Lord. And this is how we need to teach.
If we love others, we can't look the other way if they're in fellowship. We must address sin and remove the one who is living a sinful lifestyle from among us if they refuse to repent for the purpose of repentance and reconciliation. And that goes for the liar, the gossiper, the sexually immoral, the drunkard.......whatever.
Love Him. Love each other. Let Him work in you to do the works He made you to do.
Yes and Amen. Love the brother enough to go to him when you see a brother/sister caught up in sin. Love them back into the truth by being willing to be used as God would have us........speak the truth in love for the purpose of regaining your brother back.
As I was reading some of the posts, I don't believe that Ariel was inferring that Jesus was a demon, nor that He died for them. If I'm wrong than I apologize ahead of time. Sometimes we all misunderstand what's being said.
It's just that I didn't read any of that in Ariel's posts.
I didn't see her saying demons love either. She was trying to make the point that James was showing two types of faith and only one is genuine.The classic example of a workless, yet Fruitful, SAVED Christian, is the thief on the Cross. He had NO works, only faith in his declaration of who Jesus is. Yet he continues to produce Fruit. How many prisoners have come to the Lord because of his example?
I don't believe this absolves Christians from doing good works, but those good works must not be blurred with the idea that they are necessary for salvation.
This is where I get really confused. I almost feel like, because of the way some respond, work or obey becomes a four letter word.
Some seem to want to tiptoe around the word 'works' in fear that they'll be tagged with some type of spiritual disease. Jesus said that works will follow, obedience will follow, fruit will follow.
I'll use a scripture out of 1 Peter since that's what I'm studying at the moment, but there are many scriptures that tell us that genuine faith is NOT PERFECTION, but a new creation in Christ will work, will obey, will produce fruit.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. 1 Peter 1:1-2
Here Peter is telling us that we're chosen TO OBEY. Being saved by grace through faith is righteous. We've been removed from the kingdom of darkness and placed into the kingdom of light. We're a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people to show forth the praises of Him who has brought us out of darkness, into His marvelous light.
The old man and the new man have drastic differing characteristics. Even the thief on the cross had a change of heart. Had he lived he would have continued on in the faith....the faith that works.
I believe you can be a workless, even sinning, saved Christian, BUT I GUARANTEE, if you have been saved, given a new heart, and are a new creation,YOU WILL BE A MISERABLE person. God will not leave you in that state. Either your'e His child, and He will do what's necessary to draw you back to Him, or you are not, and He will eventually harden your heart. I don't think you can grieve the Holy Spirit without consequence. I unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, am a living testament to that fact.
I agree that a true believer can get caught up in sin. We have David as a perfect example of that. But the true believer can't stay in a sinful lifestyle. Eventually they'll repent and return to the Lord. And this is how we need to teach.
If we love others, we can't look the other way if they're in fellowship. We must address sin and remove the one who is living a sinful lifestyle from among us if they refuse to repent for the purpose of repentance and reconciliation. And that goes for the liar, the gossiper, the sexually immoral, the drunkard.......whatever.
Love Him. Love each other. Let Him work in you to do the works He made you to do.
Yes and Amen. Love the brother enough to go to him when you see a brother/sister caught up in sin. Love them back into the truth by being willing to be used as God would have us........speak the truth in love for the purpose of regaining your brother back.