Are Former Christians Who Later Became Murderers and Anti-Christians Still Saved?
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It is found in the Bible. It's just that your biased eyes are closed tightly so that no light can enter.
Jesus taught that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. Why does this seem like gnosticism to you?
Do you know WHEN a person receives eternal life? John 5:24 says that believers possess it. That would obviously mean that the MOMENT of saving faith is WHEN a person receives eternal life. iow, WHEN they become a believer.
But you are free to reject that truth and make up whatever you want to believe.
Go tell Jesus that. I dare you.
Jesus taught that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. Why does this seem like gnosticism to you?
Do you know WHEN a person receives eternal life? John 5:24 says that believers possess it. That would obviously mean that the MOMENT of saving faith is WHEN a person receives eternal life. iow, WHEN they become a believer.
But you are free to reject that truth and make up whatever you want to believe.
Go tell Jesus that. I dare you.
Whether you realize it or not you just made the case for Gnosticism.
It doesn't seem like Gnosticism to me, it is Gnosticism; you just don't know enough about Gnosticism or the early writings to know it.
The information is out there and easy to find if a person really wants it. I just post this to give people a heads-up, not cite sources. I know how that goes: People ask for sources then trash them when you do. I'm not here to convince anyone; if a person loves the truth they'll find it.
It doesn't seem like Gnosticism to me, it is Gnosticism; you just don't know enough about Gnosticism or the early writings to know it.
The information is out there and easy to find if a person really wants it. I just post this to give people a heads-up, not cite sources. I know how that goes: People ask for sources then trash them when you do. I'm not here to convince anyone; if a person loves the truth they'll find it.
"So, the question is, are these examples of peoples who once were true Christians and turned anti-Christ and murderers still saved because they once believed in Jesus?"
All of this no one can answer. Its just going to be speculation since as Samuel (sweet holy Spirit) said God does not see as man does. Man only sees the flesh but God sees the heart "For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
So I won't be much fun here. We should not be the ones answering it other then saying John 3:16-17. Look how we have treated and what we have said about those that fall or walked away then those groups that teach something that does not touch salvation just some doctrine we personally don't like.
So back to the start.. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.
All of this no one can answer. Its just going to be speculation since as Samuel (sweet holy Spirit) said God does not see as man does. Man only sees the flesh but God sees the heart "For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
So I won't be much fun here. We should not be the ones answering it other then saying John 3:16-17. Look how we have treated and what we have said about those that fall or walked away then those groups that teach something that does not touch salvation just some doctrine we personally don't like.
So back to the start.. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.
Keep your day job. You'll never make it as a comedian.
Are you acknowledging that you really don't understand what Jesus taught in John 10:28??
Sure is. Eternal life is given WHEN a person believes in Christ. John 5:24 Recipients of eternal life shall never perish. John 10:28
Having NO sources sinks your boat. There is NO reason to believe your opinion.
OK, fair enough. You're either ashamed of your sources or you're afraid of being refuted by legitimate sources, like the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
I'm GIVING them the truth, to refute your opinion.
Are you acknowledging that you really don't understand what Jesus taught in John 10:28??
Sure is. Eternal life is given WHEN a person believes in Christ. John 5:24 Recipients of eternal life shall never perish. John 10:28
Having NO sources sinks your boat. There is NO reason to believe your opinion.
OK, fair enough. You're either ashamed of your sources or you're afraid of being refuted by legitimate sources, like the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
I'm GIVING them the truth, to refute your opinion.
FreeGrace2 said:
Keep your day job. You'll never make it as a comedian.
lol. He's still trying to be funny. Too much. 
Keep your day job. You'll never make it as a comedian.
Keep your sense of wit, you just went on ignore.
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Try evening primrose oil and cut back of sugar and caffeine
This too shall pass
This too shall pass
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Lol thank you for that advice. I never have caffeine, I began having heart palpitations and stopped drinking or eating it years ago. Not much for sugar either. But I will check out that primrose. Sorry for derailing the thread with old lady problems.
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Lol thank you for that advice. I never have caffeine, I began having heart palpitations and stopped drinking or eating it years ago. Not much for sugar either. But I will check out that primrose. Sorry for derailing the thread with old lady problems.
I'd lost over 2 inches before getting on osteo meds
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Another suggestion: have your GP check for osteoporosis I'd lost over 2 inches before
getting on osteo meds You can check for yourself by keeping an eye on your height
I'd lost over 2 inches before getting on osteo meds
You can check for yourself by keeping an eye on your height
Oh no, I'm not that tall to begin with! I will check that out too, thank you for the info. Getting older is not fun, but it's better than the alternative I suppose. lol
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Wait'll you hit sixty!
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