Are Christians more accepting of charlatans then we should be?

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Nehemiah6

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Perhaps we are more willing to believe the best in others.
That may be, but there is still a clear directive in Scripture which is being ignored by many:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)
 
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I know this thread has turned into a massive rant about Hillsong.
I can be blamed for that. No bad thing, mind.

Of course there are other similar "Churches", for instance C3.
 

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Here's the kicker here. Many [believe] there will be an "end time Revival." that will be a [Mega] setting. That will be a moment to let it all go. We should have by now, but we are about to witness something special before it goes very bad.
It's already very bad, so what now?
 
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no they are in australia. I dont think they have churches here in nz. Other churches just play their songs. There is a church called LIFE church that seems similar to hillsong, but only cos its pentecostal style worship. Theres a lot of pentecostal type churches here under different names.
so just wondering, why are you ... calling Hillsong a cult ?
 
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It's already very bad, so what now?


From how mankind appears at this moment in time. Hatred is spewing from all sides. We have some Nations killing for what you believe in and others trying allow satanism in. If a true last day outbreak of [Revival] were to erupt, we all better find it. It's the last true Manifestation of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the Believers before very bad turns into the rotten kind of ugly.
 

Hevosmies

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YES. Seems like some Christians (and religious people in general, of other belief systems) got ZERO, street smarts and will fall for any scam prophet walking past em.

SAD but true. You did well to leave HELLsong. It cant be considered a church its more of a circus, with no shortage of clowns! You have never heard such watered down preaching as you will from hellsong. When put on the spot by Oprah on a YES or NO question the coward went off on some tangent about love (as they always do, their favorite topic and way to shut down their opponents by claiming they arent loving) and ended up NOT answering the question and quoting half a verse.
The question was about if Christianity is the ONLY way, and he said well you know, Jesus is the way the truth and the life, but I think this and that bla bla. HOW ABOUT YOU FINISH THE VERSE buddy, the verse ends with and NO MAN comes to the Father except by me.

Didnt win him any fans had he quoted the full verse. Shut it down!
 

Hevosmies

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Maybe in evangelical circles. I left that mess over a year ago.
Oh, and I call that narca-gesis.
What did you leave it for? Where are you now bro? I get names mixed up sometimes, Are you the local confessional lutheran guy?
 
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What did you leave it for? Where are you now bro? I get names mixed up sometimes, Are you the local confessional lutheran guy?
LCMS confessional conservative Lutheran.

Check out a you tube channel called fighting for the faith, as for the why I left evangelical ism.
 

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the LCMS folks around here have no grasp of relationship with our Lord and Savior but more practice an outward form of godliness. It surprised me how many were sick and had no idea how to seek healing and restoration for themselves through faith.
 
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the LCMS folks around here have no grasp of relationship with our Lord and Savior but more practice an outward form of godliness. It surprised me how many were sick and had no idea how to seek healing and restoration for themselves through faith.
I think you speaking from bias not experience.
Because it is academic what is written in the book of James which is studied in the liturgy, as well as in Bible study classes as it comes up as a subject, and Lutherans tend to be quite literal about scripture.
However as in any church there are those who don't pay attention or study or learn.
 

Magenta

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I know this thread has turned into a massive rant about Hillsong.
I can be blamed for that. No bad thing, mind.
You really needn't blame yourself. Hillsong has come under fire quite a few times on this site.
 
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I think you speaking from bias not experience.
Because it is academic what is written in the book of James which is studied in the liturgy, as well as in Bible study classes as it comes up as a subject, and Lutherans tend to be quite literal about scripture.
However as in any church there are those who don't pay attention or study or learn.
I was saved in prison when I was 18 and in Texas prison we had a Lutheran Chaplain that worked there full time paid by the state. He wore the black clothes and the white collar.

He was a very sincere believer in scripture and while I was there he decided to ask some of the inmates that made up the church there to lay hands on him to receive the filling of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. He received and I remember him standing with his hands raised up and his head back speaking in tongues for about 20 minutes during a prayer time at the altar in the chapel.

His ministry took off after that and he went from a very monotone type of preaching that no one ever understood to a man empowered by the Holy Spirit with a message from the scripture that we could live. It was great to see that transformation and after that I realized that you can never judge people based on their specific denominational surroundings.
 
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I was saved in prison when I was 18 and in Texas prison we had a Lutheran Chaplain that worked there full time paid by the state. He wore the black clothes and the white collar.

He was a very sincere believer in scripture and while I was there he decided to ask some of the inmates that made up the church there to lay hands on him to receive the filling of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. He received and I remember him standing with his hands raised up and his head back speaking in tongues for about 20 minutes during a prayer time at the altar in the chapel.

His ministry took off after that and he went from a very monotone type of preaching that no one ever understood to a man empowered by the Holy Spirit with a message from the scripture that we could live. It was great to see that transformation and after that I realized that you can never judge people based on their specific denominational surroundings.
Yes, hipe can fill seats. Insert mega church example of choice here, as perfect example.
I'm glad for prison ministry.
I'm glad you were saved, I hope you keep growing.
 
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Yes, hipe can fill seats. Insert mega church example of choice here, as perfect example.
I'm glad for prison ministry.
I'm glad you were saved, I hope you keep growing.
I will be a pastor of a church somewhere in a year or two. I have every intention of it growing into a mega church. I hope that out of it several hundred other mega churches will be birthed. I would not approach ministry without expectations of turning the world upside down with the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Day of Pentecost, 3000 saved = Mega Church) :love:
 
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I will be a pastor of a church somewhere in a year or two. I have every intention of it growing into a mega church. I hope that out of it several hundred other mega churches will be birthed. I would not approach ministry without expectations of turning the world upside down with the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Day of Pentecost, 3000 saved = Mega Church) :love:
Hopefully you will preach a more substantive message than what is standard for the mega churches.