Applying God's Word to Politics

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Aaron56

Aaron56

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I don't. But a covenant is instituted and can be referred to in language such as "The Institution of the New Covenant". Also, as far as I think we're concerned as Christians, didn't God institute covenants?



God established Divine Institutions which men attempt to modify.



The Divine Institution of marriage between the man and the woman was established in the beginning by God. So, Christians have fought to protect the Divine Institution of Marriage as God instituted it and have fought politically to protect it.

You're describing the altered institution of man and included is the contractual/covenantal agreement for the institution of man.

Men are copying God in forming institutions and covenants. This can't make an institution an Institution (note the capitalization and keep it in mind - my intended meaning is Divine Institution).



We can apply your light and eisegete your point or we can see how your light is not Light and find you wrong.

I assume you're speaking of the KOG vs. terrestrial rule in the sense of godly vs. ungodly or Christian vs. non-Christian. Is all non-Christian art ungodly? Same question for business, commerce, education. Every non-Christian institution entraps people who work in them or makes them function in ungodly ways?

Question: Do you hold citizenship in the US? If yes, do you vote?



Which again reveals you know very little about institutions and Christians who both work in many and head many of them which have been instituted to do godly work.
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Institution is a legal term. Covenant is personal. That's where your reasoning goes off the rails. If the two are the same, then why the need for a different word.

This isn't nuanced stuff; straining a gnat kinda etc. The words aren't even phonetically similar. The reason they are different is because their foundations are different. In essence they are unrelated.
 
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Aaron56 said:
Institution is a legal term. Covenant is personal. That's where your reasoning goes off the rails. If the two are the same, then why the need for a different word.

This isn't nuanced stuff; straining a gnat kinda etc. The words aren't even phonetically similar. The reason they are different is because their foundations are different. In essence they are unrelated.
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Still way off, but no more than expected at this point.
 
maxwel

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PAC-fit said:
Isn't that just like every one of us in this godless indoctrination that has been forced upon us and our fathers? The quote was no comparison at all,
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The quote was even MORE than a comparison; it was an equivocal statement, as it actually made Civil Liberty EQUAL to Christianity.
"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."

Saying "nuh uh", and then adding an unhappy circuitous screed HAS NO MAGICAL POWER TO NEGATE WHAT YOU WROTE IN BLACK AND WHITE.


I even looked up the full quote, just to make sure I had the full quote in context.
The full quote makes MY point even more clear, as it lists a string of virtues found in civil liberty, and expressly says THIS IS CHRISTIANITY... claiming civil liberty, because of particular virtues, IS Christianity.
But it is not.


Conclusion:
- Civil Liberty is NOT Christianity, as the quote claims.
- You can have civil liberty, and not be a Christian at all... so it's not the same.
- Civil liberty is wonderful, but it's not the same as Christianity: Christianity existed before civil liberties, and will still exist if those liberties disappear.
- We can still have Christianity with no civil liberties at all... as history shows.




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maxwel said:
The quote was even MORE than a comparison; it was an equivocal statement, as it actually made Civil Liberty EQUAL to Christianity.
"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."

Saying "nuh uh", and then adding an unhappy circuitous screed HAS NO MAGICAL POWER TO NEGATE WHAT YOU WROTE IN BLACK AND WHITE.


I even looked up the full quote, just to make sure I had the full quote in context.
The full quote makes MY point even more clear, as it lists a string of virtues found in civil liberty, and expressly says THIS IS CHRISTIANITY... claiming civil liberty, because of particular virtues, IS Christianity.
But it is not.


Conclusion:
- Civil Liberty is NOT Christianity, as the quote claims.
- You can have civil liberty, and not be a Christian at all... so it's not the same.
- Civil liberty is wonderful, but it's not the same as Christianity: Christianity existed before civil liberties, and will still exist if those liberties disappear.
- We can still have Christianity with no civil liberties at all... as history shows.




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While Christianity and civil liberties may not be the same, they may coincide.
And civil liberty may be due to salting and enlightening by the KOG, as our history shows.
 
maxwel

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GWH said:
While Christianity and civil liberties may not be the same, they may coincide.
And civil liberty may be due to salting and enlightening by the KOG, as our history shows.
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I completely agree.
I was just responding to a specific quote, which said a specific thing.

Have a great week.
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maxwel said:
I completely agree.
I was just responding to a specific quote, which said a specific thing.

Have a great week.
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Good deal. Did you see J6er Jake Lange's testimony on RAV's Warroom program yesterday?

It was a good example of how his faith in Christ helped him endure prison after he was arrested for trying to rescue Rosanne Boyland from being killed by the Capitol Police.
 
maxwel

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GWH said:
Good deal. Did you see J6er Jake Lange's testimony on RAV's Warroom program yesterday?

It was a good example of how his faith in Christ helped him endure prison after he was arrested for trying to rescue Rosanne Boyland from being killed by the Capitol Police.
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We should all focus more on our walk with Christ.
Hopefully it won't take calamity to draw us closer to God.
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