Applying God's Word to Politics

[LifelongLearner]

Personally don't believe any human being, including politicians, has any control over what happens in this system. Think the world system, there being only one for which different labels are applied, is designed to kid us we actually have some influence in national/international/global affairs.

I think the evil ones have had absolute control for around 50 years, with the supposed 'Glorious Revolution' in GB during 1688, then The American, French and Russian Revolutions being tools they used to gain total control over major world events. John Robison, who was probably an insider, wrote a revelatory book about the French Revolution called Proofs of a Conspiracy, in the 1790's. It isn't copyrighted and can easily be downloaded from the Internet Archive, really recommend reading it. Amazon sells it, here's a link to its page on Amazon uk to see if it's your cup of coffee, or not.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proofs-Conspiracy-Governments-Freemasons-Illuminati/dp/1502306387

What's interesting is British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill, both made statements that they were in office but not in power. Winnie actually called his puppeteers The High Cabal and I'm certain they now have total power globally.

Being a Mum of three sons and a daughter, i used to be terrified for the future of my children. So glad i now know there's a truly loving, all-powerful, Almighty God, who will crush all evil when the time is right.

 

[GWH]

Personally don't believe any human being, including politicians, has any control over what happens in this system. Think the world system, there being only one for which different labels are applied, is designed to kid us we actually have some influence in national/international/global affairs.

I think the evil ones have had absolute control for around 50 years, with the supposed 'Glorious Revolution' in GB during 1688, then The American, French and Russian Revolutions being tools they used to gain total control over major world events. John Robison, who was probably an insider, wrote a revelatory book about the French Revolution called Proofs of a Conspiracy, in the 1790's. It isn't copyrighted and can easily be downloaded from the Internet Archive, really recommend reading it. Amazon sells it, here's a link to its page on Amazon uk to see if it's your cup of coffee, or not.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proofs-Conspiracy-Governments-Freemasons-Illuminati/dp/1502306387

What's interesting is British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill, both made statements that they were in office but not in power. Winnie actually called his puppeteers The High Cabal and I'm certain they now have total power globally.

Being a Mum of three sons and a daughter, i used to be terrified for the future of my children. So glad i now know there's a truly loving, all-powerful, Almighty God, who will crush all evil when the time is right.

I essentially agree with what you said, and I will add that I am sure you agree God is in control, but He allows people including you, me and the atheist cabal to sin.

Also, while the forces of evil are attempting to control the world, we on the side of God/Christ should do what we can to be salt and light for the world.

Do you want to opine about God's will regarding migration?

 

[Squigglylines]

Personally don't believe any human being, including politicians, has any control over what happens in this system. Think the world system, there being only one for which different labels are applied, is designed to kid us we actually have some influence in national/international/global affairs.

I think the evil ones have had absolute control for around 50 years, with the supposed 'Glorious Revolution' in GB during 1688, then The American, French and Russian Revolutions being tools they used to gain total control over major world events. John Robison, who was probably an insider, wrote a revelatory book about the French Revolution called Proofs of a Conspiracy, in the 1790's. It isn't copyrighted and can easily be downloaded from the Internet Archive, really recommend reading it. Amazon sells it, here's a link to its page on Amazon uk to see if it's your cup of coffee, or not.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proofs-Conspiracy-Governments-Freemasons-Illuminati/dp/1502306387

What's interesting is British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill, both made statements that they were in office but not in power. Winnie actually called his puppeteers The High Cabal and I'm certain they now have total power globally.

Being a Mum of three sons and a daughter, i used to be terrified for the future of my children. So glad i now know there's a truly loving, all-powerful, Almighty God, who will crush all evil when the time is right.

And thus is the puzzle where after many verses that state that kings and rulers rise and fall by the authority of God we get to Revelation 13:2 and are told that the beast that comes is given his seat,power and great authority by the Dragon https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 13&version=KJV which is that old Serpent called the Devil and Satan,see Revelation 12:9 for the interchangeable usage of Dragon,Old Serpent,Satan and the Devil in Scripture https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 12&version=KJV

Not sure who all is spotting this in the Scriptures but Danial 2,the writings of Solomon,Romans 13 and many many other Scriptures state that kings,rulers ect. rise and fall at the discretion of God until we get to Revelation 13:2 and we are told that a beast rises and unlike all the other beast explained in Scripture and ordained by God instead of it's seat,power and great authority being given by God it's seat,power and great authority is given by the Dragon and not God. Which seems to anger God to no end if you notice in that after this point in Scripture,(Rev.13 onward) God is bringing judgment on the Beast,false prophet and those who receive it's Mark and worship it's image. This beast it seems does not exercise it's authority over any one nation but "all" kindred's,tongues and nations so the whole earth,(see Rev,13:7-8).

 

[LifelongLearner]

I essentially agree with what you said, and I will add that I am sure you agree God is in control, but He allows people including you, me and the atheist cabal to sin.

Also, while the forces of evil are attempting to control the world, we on the side of God/Christ should do what we can to be salt and light for the world.

Do you want to opine about God's will regarding migration?

Really glad you agree with much of what i said GWH, your post really grabbed my attention, definitely stuff i like to think about.

Absolutely agree God is in control, he knows the exact moment to bring this evil to an end and always does what he says on the tin. Loved your expression about us being salt and light for the world, it brought tears to my eyes, a beautiful thing to say and actually be. I'm a very young Christian but an old dear in years and would feel so blessed if i could help others discover the beautiful, precious truths i have so recently.

Haven't really got the gist of your question about migration but personally think migration is probably something natural, so God wouldn't have issues with it? However, really think our wannabe masters use it as a tool to cause problems and division among us, so they can increase their control over us.

One of my go to theories about the evil ones is if they let us have it, it'll do us harm in some way. Haven't seen anything to make me change my mind so far and will look in later hopefully, to see if you've replied. My little cat wants her biscuit treats and have a few things to sort out, God's blessings for now and hope others might have more to say too.

 

[LifelongLearner]

And thus is the puzzle where after many verses that state that kings and rulers rise and fall by the authority of God we get to Revelation 13:2 and are told that the beast that comes is given his seat,power and great authority by the Dragon https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 13&version=KJV which is that old Serpent called the Devil and Satan,see Revelation 12:9 for the interchangeable usage of Dragon,Old Serpent,Satan and the Devil in Scripture https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 12&version=KJV

Not sure who all is spotting this in the Scriptures but Danial 2,the writings of Solomon,Romans 13 and many many other Scriptures state that kings,rulers ect. rise and fall at the discretion of God until we get to Revelation 13:2 and we are told that a beast rises and unlike all the other beast explained in Scripture and ordained by God instead of it's seat,power and great authority being given by God it's seat,power and great authority is given by the Dragon and not God. Which seems to anger God to no end if you notice in that after this point in Scripture,(Rev.13 onward) God is bringing judgment on the Beast,false prophet and those who receive it's Mark and worship it's image. This beast it seems does not exercise it's authority over any one nation but "all" kindred's,tongues and nations so the whole earth,(see Rev,13:7-8).

Sadly, i need to do a runner Squigglylines but agree with much in your post, the evil ones have bided their time for sure but think they're really going for it now.

Which doesn't mean i think the end is definitely in the immediate future. Definitely possible but just as likely it could still take some time, as we're told, we don't and can't know the day or the hour. As a new Christian, i'm just happy to have discovered how glorious and loving God is and know he knows the perfect time to sort it all out.

Hope to see you later, God's Blessings for now.

 

[GWH]

Really glad you agree with much of what i said GWH, your post really grabbed my attention, definitely stuff i like to think about.

Absolutely agree God is in control, he knows the exact moment to bring this evil to an end and always does what he says on the tin. Loved your expression about us being salt and light for the world, it brought tears to my eyes, a beautiful thing to say and actually be. I'm a very young Christian but an old dear in years and would feel so blessed if i could help others discover the beautiful, precious truths i have so recently.

Haven't really got the gist of your question about migration but personally think migration is probably something natural, so God wouldn't have issues with it? However, really think our wannabe masters use it as a tool to cause problems and division among us, so they can increase their control over us.

One of my go to theories about the evil ones is if they let us have it, it'll do us harm in some way. Haven't seen anything to make me change my mind so far and will look in later hopefully, to see if you've replied. My little cat wants her biscuit treats and have a few things to sort out, God's blessings for now and hope others might have more to say too.

The point of my interest in developing a biblical doctrine of migration is because it might provide guidance regarding how the Trump administration should deal with illegal immigrants. In my previous post I noted that the history of migration shows that typically it involved fighting a king of the hill struggle (KOTH), and when Moses led the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan (EX 13:17-20, 15:22-16:1, 17:1, 19:1-2, 33:1-2, NM 21:10-31 & NM 33), NM 33:50-56 instructs the Israelites to drive out all of the inhabitants of Canaan so that their idolatry would not give them trouble. However, NM 35:33-34 also said not to pollute or defile the land with murder or bloodshed, so apparently driving out was not supposed to be by means of the murder or genocide and infanticide, which means that the writer of JSH was mistaken regarding God's will. The Gibeonite exception of genocide in JSH 9 suggests that perhaps everyone who repented of resisting God's will and pagan idolatry could have been spared.

Anyway, now I am proposing for us to consider how the migration to America by Europeans should have been done in accordance with God’s Will. We begin with the proscription against bloodshed/murder. A NT principle that can be applicable is MT 7:12, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” An OT one is EX 20:15, “You shall not steal.” These two commands indicate that when people migrate they must do so with the intention of compensating the owners of the new land rather than of conquering them by means of violence.

So, how can we apply our understanding of GW/will to discern how God desired for the migration of the Europeans to the Americas to have been done?

 

[studier]

@GWH

I think I recall your support for TPUSA. Is part of this dues to their work in politics?

Did you see this interview? WAR ROOM: Catholics for Catholics Rally in Defense of Catholic Immigration Principles - Catholics For Catholics

I find it interesting how people of Faith (as above) are turning against some of the established order and taking organized stands in US politics.

 

[GWH]

@GWH

I think I recall your support for TPUSA. Is part of this dues to their work in politics?

Did you see this interview? WAR ROOM: Catholics for Catholics Rally in Defense of Catholic Immigration Principles - Catholics For Catholics

I find it interesting how people of Faith (as above) are turning against some of the established order and taking organized stands in US politics.

Yes, I supported TPUSA because of Charlie Kirk's leadership in organizing folks to copy the Democrat strategy called "chasing the vote", especially because he focused on college age and young marrieds.

No, I did not see the interview, but I decry the corruption of Catholic Charities by George Soros' Open Society contributions.

I find it wonderful that enough Christians woke up just in time to save our country from becoming communist, at least for the foreseeable future. :^)

(I am disappointed that my brother and my best friend were not among them. :^(

 

[studier]

Yes, I supported TPUSA because of Charlie Kirk's leadership in organizing folks to copy the Democrat strategy called "chasing the vote", especially because he focused on college age and young marrieds.

No, I did not see the interview, but I decry the corruption of Catholic Charities by George Soros' Open Society contributions.

I find it wonderful that enough Christians woke up just in time to save our country from becoming communist, at least for the foreseeable future. :^)

(I am disappointed that my brother and my best friend were not among them. :^(

Then you might appreciate what Bannon, and his guest had to say.

 

[GWH]

Then you might appreciate what Bannon, and his guest had to say.

Yes, I watch Bannon's War Room on RAV TV for two hours every morning except Sunday, followed by Charlie Kirk on RAV and Bianca de la Garza on Newsmax for two hours. I also surf and watch portions of Fox and whatever snippets are shown from the Fake News channels, (so I guess you can call me a news junkie :^) Also a speed viewer, because I fast forward during commercials or repetitive bloviation to fit everything within about 4 hours.

 

[GWH]

Then you might appreciate what Bannon, and his guest had to say.

I am watching that interview right now. Yes, it is quite an indictment of the corrupt leaders of the RC denomination and Catholic Charities by two strong Catholics, Bannon and John Yep.

 

[studier]

I am watching that interview right now. Yes, it is quite an indictment of the corrupt leaders of the RC denomination and Catholic Charities by two strong Catholics, Bannon and John Yep.

It seems speaking and actions against corrupt leaderships may be the agenda of the times. It's taking place in many arenas and IMO it's necessary and overdue. I also think MAHA will be fascinating and rooting out the corruption in this and all things is a very good thing.

I'm wondering if other Christians will follow the RC outspoken re: their respective denominations.

 

[LifelongLearner]

The point of my interest in developing a biblical doctrine of migration is because it might provide guidance regarding how the Trump administration should deal with illegal immigrants. In my previous post I noted that the history of migration shows that typically it involved fighting a king of the hill struggle (KOTH), and when Moses led the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan (EX 13:17-20, 15:22-16:1, 17:1, 19:1-2, 33:1-2, NM 21:10-31 & NM 33), NM 33:50-56 instructs the Israelites to drive out all of the inhabitants of Canaan so that their idolatry would not give them trouble. However, NM 35:33-34 also said not to pollute or defile the land with murder or bloodshed, so apparently driving out was not supposed to be by means of the murder or genocide and infanticide, which means that the writer of JSH was mistaken regarding God's will. The Gibeonite exception of genocide in JSH 9 suggests that perhaps everyone who repented of resisting God's will and pagan idolatry could have been spared.

Anyway, now I am proposing for us to consider how the migration to America by Europeans should have been done in accordance with God’s Will. We begin with the proscription against bloodshed/murder. A NT principle that can be applicable is MT 7:12, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” An OT one is EX 20:15, “You shall not steal.” These two commands indicate that when people migrate they must do so with the intention of compensating the owners of the new land rather than of conquering them by means of violence.

So, how can we apply our understanding of GW/will to discern how God desired for the migration of the Europeans to the Americas to have been done?

Ooh! Very interesting reply from my point of view GWH, the end of March last year was when i really began to believe. Pretty interestingly, i was still a chain smoker of self rolled tobacco and prone to loss of control binge drinking, which i just stopped when the truth whacked me in the mush.

Really appreciate the Bible as THE book of wisdom and truth now. God reveals himself to us in the ways we need to know him and his understanding of, love and mercy for us are undeserved but tell us oceans about him. The scriptures you quoted are really interesting to me, think he really wanted to establish the Israelites as his people but to me, it's lovely he seems not to have wanted the others to experience unnecessary suffering.

Personally think we're all human beings and the earth is home to us all but because of the fall of the wicked angels and all humankind, such strife and division began and became tools for those with evil intentions. I used to despair because i knew the evil ones had total control, which meant i also knew there was nothing we could do about it. It's good to know there are some influential people who might be truthful but really analyse what they're saying, it's so easy to fall into the trap of hearing what we want to.

Hope what i've said makes some sense, i know what i mean!

 

[GWH]

Ooh! Very interesting reply from my point of view GWH, the end of March last year was when i really began to believe. Pretty interestingly, i was still a chain smoker of self rolled tobacco and prone to loss of control binge drinking, which i just stopped when the truth whacked me in the mush.

Really appreciate the Bible as THE book of wisdom and truth now. God reveals himself to us in the ways we need to know him and his understanding of, love and mercy for us are undeserved but tell us oceans about him. The scriptures you quoted are really interesting to me, think he really wanted to establish the Israelites as his people but to me, it's lovely he seems not to have wanted the others to experience unnecessary suffering.

Personally think we're all human beings and the earth is home to us all but because of the fall of the wicked angels and all humankind, such strife and division began and became tools for those with evil intentions. I used to despair because i knew the evil ones had total control, which meant i also knew there was nothing we could do about it. It's good to know there are some influential people who might be truthful but really analyse what they're saying, it's so easy to fall into the trap of hearing what we want to.

Hope what i've said makes some sense, i know what i mean!

I agree that the earth is everyone's home, but surely migration needs to be done in accordance with the Bible's directions, so let us imagine how that might happen if earth were heavenly.

Regarding the European migration to America, was it God/s will? Perhaps the Great Commission provides a clue that God wants Christians to witness to everyone in the world, so it was right for the colonists to migrate for that reason as well as for the reason of seeking freedom to worship without coercion by kings or persecution by popes.

So, believing that seeking settlement in America by Europeans was divinely blessed if done peaceably with evangelistic intention, what agreement should have been made between the new arrivals and the Indians? How could the Indians have been fairly compensated and even blessed by the intrusion of godly folks from Europe?

 

[Eli1]

I agree that the earth is everyone's home, but surely migration needs to be done in accordance with the Bible's directions, so let us imagine how that might happen if earth were heavenly.

Regarding the European migration to America, was it God/s will? Perhaps the Great Commission provides a clue that God wants Christians to witness to everyone in the world, so it was right for the colonists to migrate for that reason as well as for the reason of seeking freedom to worship without coercion by kings or persecution by popes.

So, believing that seeking settlement in America by Europeans was divinely blessed if done peaceably with evangelistic intention, what agreement should have been made between the new arrivals and the Indians? How could the Indians have been fairly compensated and even blessed by the intrusion of godly folks from Europe?

Hahahah
Thank you for the laughs major! You're great as always.

 

[LifelongLearner]

I agree that the earth is everyone's home, but surely migration needs to be done in accordance with the Bible's directions, so let us imagine how that might happen if earth were heavenly.

Regarding the European migration to America, was it God/s will? Perhaps the Great Commission provides a clue that God wants Christians to witness to everyone in the world, so it was right for the colonists to migrate for that reason as well as for the reason of seeking freedom to worship without coercion by kings or persecution by popes.

So, believing that seeking settlement in America by Europeans was divinely blessed if done peaceably with evangelistic intention, what agreement should have been made between the new arrivals and the Indians? How could the Indians have been fairly compensated and even blessed by the intrusion of godly folks from Europe?

Truly agree with what you have said here GWH, was uncertain as to what you really meant in the previous comment. The cruelty and injustice done to those who are our brothers and sisters throughout post-fall history, is heartbreaking to me, let alone the grief it causes our loving Creator.

My hope and consolation is in knowing how much the LORD loves us, he knows the right moment to end the evil so we can live our lives to his glory and be his cherished children.

 

[GWH]

I am watching the inauguration as I write this, so we may see some application of GW to politics soon--some hymns are being played on a piano.

 

[GWH]

I am watching the inauguration as I write this, so we may see some application of GW to politics soon--some hymns are being played on a piano.

The invocation is being given by a RC priest and by PC (Protestant Christian :^) Franklin Graham.

 

[GWH]

The invocation is being given by a RC priest and by PC (Protestant Christian :^) Franklin Graham.

We have a new President! (Now may we see what new policies manifest Christian values :^)

 

[GWH]

We have a new President! (Now may we see what new policies manifest Christian values :^)

Singing "His Truth is Marching On" (Glory, Halleluia!)