Applying God's Word to Politics

[Eli1]

Okay, and why do they have "the liberal mindset"?

Why do people do anything that they do?
Free will !

A multitude of past events can help shed light as i mentioned in another topic with you regarding abusive Christian parents.
The child, in rebellion will reject their parents and the Christian faith and will turn head-on into sin just in spite.
This is just one example by the way. Because it could be many other reasons.

So we all have been shaped by the environment and culture (which also includes politics).
Why did the U.S. Democratic party switch from protecting people's rights into protecting people's feelings?
Do you know? It's very hard for me to pin down specific moments starting from the Bill Clinton era.

JFK today is considered a Republican compared to how the Democratic party looks.

 

[studier]

Today let us note that atheists apply Satan's Lies (SL) to politics, and the lie that went "a bridge too far" in the demonic/insane direction is that it is possible and desirable to change a person's gender. Finally it is becoming clearer that some perversions are mental illnesses if not sins!

GW that God created humanity with two genders/sexes, male and female, won a round in the bout (yay!), but the fight is continuing.

About a decade ago I was in the car and had Dennis Prager on radio. He was kind of somber and explaining that he had finally come to the conclusion that the liberal mindset was a mental illness. It seemed to have rattled him a bit to make such a statement.

This topic of mental illness is one I think we should be willing to think about and discuss more. With an absolute standard to draw from, we should be able to discern more about it and see how vastly widespread it is to ever-varying degrees.

 

[GWH]

About a decade ago I was in the car and had Dennis Prager on radio. He was kind of somber and explaining that he had finally come to the conclusion that the liberal mindset was a mental illness. It seemed to have rattled him a bit to make such a statement.

This topic of mental illness is one I think we should be willing to think about and discuss more. With an absolute standard to draw from, we should be able to discern more about it and see how vastly widespread it is to ever-varying degrees.

Yes. The main thing is NOT to accept such behavior as normal or a viable alternative lifestyle and then go from there with appropriate treatment while loving the patient.

 

[studier]

Yes. The main thing is NOT to accept such behavior as normal or a viable alternative lifestyle and then go from there with appropriate treatment while loving the patient.

And who shouldn't be a patient?

 

[GWH]

Why do people do anything that they do?
Free will !

A multitude of past events can help shed light as i mentioned in another topic with you regarding abusive Christian parents.
The child, in rebellion will reject their parents and the Christian faith and will turn head-on into sin just in spite.
This is just one example by the way. Because it could be many other reasons.

So we all have been shaped by the environment and culture (which also includes politics).
Why did the U.S. Democratic party switch from protecting people's rights into protecting people's feelings?
Do you know? It's very hard for me to pin down specific moments starting from the Bill Clinton era.

JFK today is considered a Republican compared to how the Democratic party looks.

The key word in your reply is "sin". Can you elaborate?

 

[GWH]

And who shouldn't be a patient?

Those who are cured? Those who are the cure? Those who Cure-filled?

 

[Eli1]

The key word in your reply is "sin". Can you elaborate?

All right. Odd question. Not sure how sin which is an equal force for all of us produces conservatives or liberals and thousands of other personality types, because that's something that is produced by free-will but okay.
What is sin?
Sin is 'missing the mark', it's disobedience which comes from doubt or lack of trust.
So, when God asked Adam and Eve to not do one very specific thing, they missed the mark, didn't trust fully and did the opposite of what God asked.
That is sin.

 

[maxwel]

All right. Odd question. Not sure how sin which is an equal force for all of us produces conservatives or liberals and thousands of other personality types, because that's something that is produced by free-will but okay.
What is sin?
Sin is 'missing the mark', it's disobedience which comes from doubt or lack of trust.
So, when God asked Adam and Eve to not do one very specific thing, they missed the mark, didn't trust fully and did the opposite of what God asked.
That is sin.

We should probably be careful that we don't accidentally minimize the seriousness of sin.

When we define it as merely "missing the mark" (which is often done by great people), we're probably slipping into the area of an etymological fallacy. The way the term was actually used in scripture is much the same as we use it today: a moral failure, a thing that comes between us and God.

Just my two cents.
You have a great day.

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[Eli1]

We should probably be careful that we don't accidentally minimize the seriousness of sin.

When we define it as merely "missing the mark" (which is often done by great people), we're probably slipping into the area of an etymological fallacy. The way the term was actually used in scripture is much the same as we use it today: a moral failure, a thing that comes between us and God.

Just my two cents.
You have a great day.

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This is actually how it's defined in my Church where i got the teachings from.
But i'm sure that other interpretations exist.

 

[GWH]

We should probably be careful that we don't accidentally minimize the seriousness of sin.

When we define it as merely "missing the mark" (which is often done by great people), we're probably slipping into the area of an etymological fallacy. The way the term was actually used in scripture is much the same as we use it today: a moral failure, a thing that comes between us and God.

Just my two cents.
You have a great day.

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Yes, and we should not minimize the truth that the root reason the UK condones sin is because not many accept Christ, and thus the KOG is not salting and enlightening British society sufficiently to resist such evil.

Thus, in the statement "as i mentioned in another topic with you regarding abusive Christian parents. The child, in rebellion will reject their parents and the Christian faith and will turn head-on into sin just in spite." I could have said the key word in explaining why people do the evil they do was "Christian", but I wanted the answer to be less obvious.

 

[maxwel]

This is actually how it's defined in my Church where i got the teachings from.
But i'm sure that other interpretations exist.

I'm sure they're lovely people.
: )

Nonetheless, some of my favorite people in the world slip into some of these very common etymological issues. I think it's because they're just so common. We hear something said so often that we just don't think about it. I think we all do that. But the meanings of words are defined by the usage of the words, not a vastly prior etymological root. That's just how language works. Something to think about, and be aware of as we study... not something to beat people up about.

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[maxwel]

but I wanted the answer to be less obvious.

Anytime you're talking to me... please go ahead and make the answer obvious.
: )

 

[Eli1]

I'm sure they're lovely people.
: )

Nonetheless, some of my favorite people in the world slip into some of these very common etymological issues. I think it's because they're just so common. We hear something said so often that we just don't think about it. I think we all do that. But the meanings of words are defined by the usage of the words, not a vastly prior etymological root. That's just how language works. Something to think about, and be aware of as we study... not something to beat people up about.

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Good point.
I think if you present another view of sin we can compare if my version aligns with yours in some sort of way.
I keep saying that we are in agreement in a lot of things, but how we say it may be confusing sometimes, which are the limitations of language itself.

Would you understand this guy for example: https://youtube.com/shorts/N4i9m7F7mnQ?si=m69UAe0I7BL15XM4 ?

 

[maxwel]

I keep saying that we are in agreement in a lot of things,

Well what fun is that?

And if that icon of yours is your real picture... your momma dresses you funny.


It's late and I need to get out of here.
You guys take care.

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[Eli1]

Well what fun is that?

And if that icon of yours is your real picture... your momma dresses you funny.


It's late and I need to get out of here.
You guys take care.

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I told the major this very thing. If i agree with him completely, then what am i going to do?
Sit down at the coffee shop with you all in the table without saying anything and drinking coffee in silence?
No sir! That scares me.

Yes, that's a real live picture of me and i've had it here for a while, but i don't know if i should change it.
Because if i change it once, then i want to change it again and then again.
I see you've kept yours for a while so i like that and i appreciate it.

 

[studier]

@GWH @Eli1 @maxwel

Interesting discussion. Sin as missing the mark can tie back into some of the Hebrew and one of the words for sin seems to simply mean a deviation.

It would be interesting to get back into the study again if have time to do so. What are all the connotations we seem to have about it today and are they really any worse than deviating from absolute righteousness which was and is our intended state? IOW, maybe we just don't attach enough meaning to how destructive it is to deviate from this and we think we need to make it worse by some other meanings.

I can tell you that years ago I did a focused study on the Greek words translated as 'transgression' and such terminology correlated to sin. At their more literal they had meanings like tripping (while walking), tripping and falling off the path or not, etc. Since the Hebrew mindset deals with things that are more concrete, all this selected Greek language seems to be conforming to this concrete example of walking straight vs. deviating, tripping, falling and such.

Maybe we're just too lax in seeing how bad it is in God's eyes to deviate from righteousness or even trip let alone fall. I like to let Him train my thinking and focus me on perfection and stop making excuses for lacking in the pursuit of His high calling in Christ Jesus.

 

[tinathebookworm]

Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?

Applying Christian beliefs to politics can be challenging, especially when it comes to complex issues such as national borders, abortion, and Lawfare. To navigate these issues, it's essential to consider the principles of loving our neighbors, caring for the vulnerable, and promoting justice.

 

[tinathebookworm]

We don't. We don't mix politics with God. We never legislate religion because we become like some fundamentalist Muslim countries.
We can never make someone believe what we want, otherwise the Most High would have made us robots to begin with since The Garden.
We can lead someone to water but we can't make them drink.

This is why we separate these topics.
In this election, i am hoping that Trump wins to counterbalance the insanity from the left.

 

[Eli1]

@GWH @Eli1 @maxwel

It would be interesting to get back into the study again if have time to do so. What are all the connotations we seem to have about it today and are they really any worse than deviating from absolute righteousness which was and is our intended state? IOW, maybe we just don't attach enough meaning to how destructive it is to deviate from this and we think we need to make it worse by some other meanings.

Feel free to start something because i'm not sure what else to add but yes, missing the state of perfection which we were in (Adam and Eve) has severe consequences when you're in a relationship with your Creator where you can see Him, hear Him and be like a family and He asks you for Trust and Obedience and you don't honor those.
This is where original sin started but now it's a permanent spiritual sickness which leads into physical death.
Because as Aaron said in another topic about Adam and Eve, their needs were taken care of by God, all they had to do is Trust and Obey. The moment they sinned they became aware that they were naked and wanted to hide from God.
They broke trust and broke the relationship with God where we are no longer in His presence.
The "positive" side of this is that God in all His wisdom wants people to follow Him genuinely out of their hearts so this gives us more growth and appreciation for God, we long His presence and we want to be with Him.

 

[tinathebookworm]

When it comes to National Borders, Christians can advocate for policies that balance national security and hospitality toward migrants and refugees. This might involve supporting humane immigration policies, advocating for the rights of asylum seekers, and promoting cultural understanding and exchange.