andrew wommack

[ResidentAlien]

You're the one who doubts Hagin's background, so you can do the research, I don't need to.

You're the one who posted the fabulous claims of his miraculous healings, not me. If you want to believe fables that's one thing; but when you post it here as fact I don't think it's too much to ask that you substantiate your claims. If you can't that's fine.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Kenneth Copeland gives me the creeps.

There is very little point in discussing these men. Those who have been snared by their teachings will probably remain loyal to them. All one can do is warn others -- in general -- about false brethren, false apostles, false teachers, and false prophets.

 

[BeeThePeace]

There is very little point in discussing these men. Those who have been snared by their teachings will probably remain loyal to them. All one can do is warn others -- in general -- about false brethren, false apostles, false teachers, and false prophets.

Which is why discussing these men does warn others in general.

Their true believers will find out in due time the falsity of these men and women too.

 

[TabinRivCA]

I'm curious, who do the anti-WoF teachers approve of?

K Hagin was thought highly of by the Crouch's who started the worldwide Christian Network, TBN, or is TBN put down as heretical also?

 

[Polar]

Unfortunately, that's a misunderstanding of Matthew 18:15-17: "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."

This refers to a case where a person has sinned personally against you: if he/she has defrauded you, lied about you, etc.; things of that nature.

It has nothing to do with false prophets. It would be impossible to confront them all personally, even if you could get an audience with them.

It's not only Justin Peters who hasn't been healed. People on the staff of Wommack's own church wear glasses. They obviously haven't been healed. Two of his staff that I know of got COVID. Bethel Church had to be shut down as a COVID hotspot during the pandemic. Many other people out there who haven't been healed. If Yahweh wanted everyone healed and in perfect health the hospitals would be out of business.

You are assuming I would apply that scripture universally but I do not. I do not see that instruction as we should go to anyone and everyone all over the world with whom we have some sort of disagreement. I was pointing to the fact that is what Peters did in fact do. I guess we can assume he believes he is persuaded that is his ministry; going around pointing out what he believes is error, false and or lies. So I actually agree with what you say regarding Matthew 18: 15-17. I guess the question then becomes, do we make an exception for heresy hunters?

I have not understood Womack to state everyone must be healed at all times. I know personally of someone (close to me whom I know very well) who did in fact attend the University and came out the other end much improved. He certainly never has stated that he had the impression all should be healed at all times. Perhaps people read into what is being said. That is, they assume something because they heard it somewhere else and have decided it applies to everyone. I'm not saying that about you. I refer to the heresy hunters, which it seems Peters actually is.

If I may ask, why do you use the name 'Yahweh'? I'm just curious when I see people doing that.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm curious, who do the anti-WoF teachers approve of?

Anyone who doesn't blatantly lie in your face and expect you to believe it would be a good start.

 

[Polar]

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to Chat.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

GRACE And Peace...

That's very nice. Thank you!

 

[TabinRivCA]

Anyone who doesn't blatantly lie in your face and expect you to believe it would be a good start.

Can you think of any I could listen to?

 

[studentoftheword]

"fibbing" LOL crossnote,
The site you posted is one that calls Wommack a heretic. Certainly not a credible source. This site and others have misrepresented him just as they do other preachers and teachers who speak in tongues and believe in healing. Just as they misrepresent people like me who speak in tongues and believe in healing. The only heresy going on is the heresy spread about the preachers and teachers of the new covenant.

Many Christians are still under the burden of the old covenant and keeping the law in order to be righteous. The new covenant that Jesus brought is believing that Jesus paid for our sin and imputed HIS righteousness to us and we receive it as a gift.,not by our works.
(which is BTW what Wommack preaches)

The Bible says clearly in Romans 6:14 FOR SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU FOR YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE.

These sites that get posted up for links are so full of misinformation that I must advise anyone and everyone who is searching for the truth about someone to do your own listening and not go to these horrid sites that spread mis information.

Love this Post ----Worth Repeating this post

agree fully -----well said -----good for you for posting this ----- -------the enemy Satan is at work trying to discredit Good Teachers of the Word every day ---and there are many who fall into Satan's trap and are blinded and see only the trees of the forest instead of looking beyond the trees and seeing what is visible between the trees which is the whole forest ----which gives a true view of what the scripture is really saying -----

Many --Many people discredit a Teacher of the word because they can't get their head passed the money trees ---all they see is $$$$$$$$$$$$ signs and their perception of the Teacher of the Word becomes tainted because Satan has them fully captivated with their money and book deals and so they are blinded to the real message that the Teacher is teaching ------


Andrew Wommack's statement of Faith here ------

Statement of Faith


The Scriptures:
We believe that all of Scripture (i.e. both the Old and New Testament) is verbally inspired by God, and is our final authority in all matters pertaining to doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16,17).
God:
We believe in only one true God; One in essence, nature, and attributes, but existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (1 John 5:7).
Jesus Christ:
We believe in the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, of His shed blood on Calvary for the forgiveness of our sins, of His bodily resurrection and ascension to the Father’s right hand. We do not believe that He is a way to the Father, but rather the only way through which we can receive righteousness, regeneration, sanctification, and glorification. He is, in fact, our salvation (1 Corinthians 1:30-31).
Holy Spirit:
We believe in the baptism with the Holy Spirit, expressed with speaking in tongues according to Acts 1:8; 2:4; 9:17; 10:44-46; 11:15-16; and 19:6. We believe this experience is distinct from, and subsequent to, the new birth, and can be received by faith (Galatians 3:2).
Salvation:
We believe that all who, in repentance and faith, receive the Lord Jesus as Savior and Lord are born again (Acts 20:20-21; Romans 10:9-13).
Healing:
We believe that the redemptive work of Christ on the cross has provided healing for the human body (Matthew 8:16-17; Isaiah 53:4; 1 Peter 2:24).
The Resurrection:
We believe in the resurrection of the just and the unjust; one to everlasting life and one to everlasting damnation (Matthew 25:46).
The Second Coming:
We believe in a literal, physical second return of the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 4:16-17).
The Church:
We believe that the universal church is comprised of all true believers who have received salvation through Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). We also believe in and encourage fellowship with a local church (Hebrews 10:25).
Gifts of the Spirit:
We believe that spiritual gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are for the common good and building up of others today (1 Corinthians 12:7).

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the Right Faith is the foundation of God's Kingdom and is not Taught Much in Mainstream Churches ----without the right Faith you cannot please God ------there is only one Right Faith ---and that is the Faith that is inbirthed in us from hearing God's word ----

Everyone should be in tune with what right faith is -------

https://biblehub.com/greek/4102.htm

1. Faith is God's work; faith is never the work of people. We cannot produce faith ourselves, nor can we "drum it up at will." Rather, faith comes as Christ speaks His rhçma-word within (see Ro 10:17, Gk text).
   
2. In all of Scripture, only the term faith is ever used in the following way: Ro 14:23: Whatever is not of faith (4102/pistis) is sin." Heb 11:6: "And without faith (4102/pistis) it is impossible to
   

please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him" (NASU)

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I think Andrew Wammack and others do a great job of explaining true faith but because people are obsessed with the $$$$$$$$$ trees they miss the forest and end up listening to preachers like Bart Ehrman and Richard Rohr and others who preach a truly twisted gospel and False Doctrine ----and are said to be great Scholars of the Word ------who are sending people to their spiritual torment


YIKES

 

[BeeThePeace]

I'm curious, who do the anti-WoF teachers approve of?

K Hagin was thought highly of by the Crouch's who started the worldwide Christian Network, TBN, or is TBN put down as heretical also?

Hagin is all bad .

The Crouches?
Yikes. Since the senior couple are both dead now, I would think it is better for those interested in their reputation to seek it out for themselves.

A good search term that promises to keep the curious very busy is, crouch ministry scandals.

 

[BeeThePeace]

Love this Post ----Worth Repeating this post

agree fully -----well said -----good for you for posting this ----- -------the enemy Satan is at work trying to discredit Good Teachers of the Word every day ---and there are many who fall into Satan's trap and are blinded and see only the trees of the forest instead of looking beyond the trees and seeing what is visible between the trees which is the whole forest ----which gives a true view of what the scripture is really saying -----

Many --Many people discredit a Teacher of the word because they can't get their head passed the money trees ---all they see is $$$$$$$$$$$$ signs and their perception of the Teacher of the Word becomes tainted because Satan has them fully captivated with their money and book deals and so they are blinded to the real message that the Teacher is teaching ------


Andrew Wommack's statement of Faith here ------

Statement of Faith


The Scriptures:
We believe that all of Scripture (i.e. both the Old and New Testament) is verbally inspired by God, and is our final authority in all matters pertaining to doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16,17).
God:
We believe in only one true God; One in essence, nature, and attributes, but existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (1 John 5:7).
Jesus Christ:
We believe in the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, of His shed blood on Calvary for the forgiveness of our sins, of His bodily resurrection and ascension to the Father’s right hand. We do not believe that He is a way to the Father, but rather the only way through which we can receive righteousness, regeneration, sanctification, and glorification. He is, in fact, our salvation (1 Corinthians 1:30-31).
Holy Spirit:
We believe in the baptism with the Holy Spirit, expressed with speaking in tongues according to Acts 1:8; 2:4; 9:17; 10:44-46; 11:15-16; and 19:6. We believe this experience is distinct from, and subsequent to, the new birth, and can be received by faith (Galatians 3:2).
Salvation:
We believe that all who, in repentance and faith, receive the Lord Jesus as Savior and Lord are born again (Acts 20:20-21; Romans 10:9-13).
Healing:
We believe that the redemptive work of Christ on the cross has provided healing for the human body (Matthew 8:16-17; Isaiah 53:4; 1 Peter 2:24).
The Resurrection:
We believe in the resurrection of the just and the unjust; one to everlasting life and one to everlasting damnation (Matthew 25:46).
The Second Coming:
We believe in a literal, physical second return of the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 4:16-17).
The Church:
We believe that the universal church is comprised of all true believers who have received salvation through Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). We also believe in and encourage fellowship with a local church (Hebrews 10:25).
Gifts of the Spirit:
We believe that spiritual gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are for the common good and building up of others today (1 Corinthians 12:7).

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the Right Faith is the foundation of God's Kingdom and is not Taught Much in Mainstream Churches ----without the right Faith you cannot please God ------there is only one Right Faith ---and that is the Faith that is inbirthed in us from hearing God's word ----

Everyone should be in tune with what right faith is -------

https://biblehub.com/greek/4102.htm

1. Faith is God's work; faith is never the work of people. We cannot produce faith ourselves, nor can we "drum it up at will." Rather, faith comes as Christ speaks His rhçma-word within (see Ro 10:17, Gk text).
2. In all of Scripture, only the term faith is ever used in the following way: Ro 14:23: Whatever is not of faith (4102/pistis) is sin." Heb 11:6: "And without faith (4102/pistis) it is impossible to

please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him" (NASU)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think Andrew Wammack and others do a great job of explaining true faith but because people are obsessed with the $$$$$$$$$ trees they miss the forest and end up listening to preachers like Bart Ehrman and Richard Rohr and others who preach a truly twisted gospel and False Doctrine ----and are said to be great Scholars of the Word ------who are sending people to their spiritual torment


YIKES
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Bart Ehrman is not a preacher.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Hagin is all bad .

The Crouches?
Yikes. Since the senior couple are both dead now, I would think it is better for those interested in their reputation to seek it out for themselves.

A good search term that promises to keep the curious very busy is, crouch ministry scandals.

Like I asked who DOES the anti-WoF approve of as preachers?

As for TBN, they are growing with Christian TV into almost every country in the world.
Your statement 'Hagin is all bad' is almost like putting down his anointing, the Holy Spirit, which is serious. "Do not touch the head of my anointed' Psa 105:15.

 

[BeeThePeace]

Like I asked who DOES the anti-WoF approve of as preachers?

As for TBN, they are growing with Christian TV into almost every country in the world.
Your statement 'Hagin is all bad' is almost like putting down his anointing, the Holy Spirit, which is serious. "Do not touch the head of my anointed' Psa 105:15.

Incorrect.
I never put down one of God's annointed with my indictment of Kenneth Hagin.

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Incorrect.
I never put down one of God's annointed with my indictment of Kenneth Hagin.

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

What preachers does anybody in the anti-WoF stance listen to???????

Imo K Hagin was anointed so we disagree here. Please who is it 'ok' to listen to then???????

 

[BeeThePeace]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html

Is the Word of Faith movement biblical?

(from part way down the page)
The Word of Faith movement grew out of the Pentecostal movement in the late 20th century. Its founder was E. W. Kenyon, who studied the metaphysical New Thought teachings of Phineas Quimby. Mind science (where "name it and claim it" originated) was combined with Pentecostalism, resulting in a peculiar mix of orthodox Christianity and mysticism. Kenneth Hagin, in turn, studied under E. W. Kenyon and made the Word of Faith movement what it is today. Although individual teachings range from completely heretical to completely ridiculous, what follows is the basic theology most Word of Faith teachers align themselves with.

At the heart of the Word of Faith movement is the belief in the "force of faith." It is believed words can be used to manipulate the faith-force, and thus actually create what they believe Scripture promises (health and wealth). Laws supposedly governing the faith-force are said to operate independently of God’s sovereign will and that God Himself is subject to these laws. This is nothing short of idolatry, turning our faith—and by extension ourselves—into god.

 

[BeeThePeace]

What preachers does anybody in the anti-WoF stance listen to???????

Imo K Hagin was anointed so we disagree here. Please who is it 'ok' to listen to then???????

I know Hagin's history. Yes, we will disagree that an anointed pastor carves out the history Hagin has and does.

I don't listen to any WoF preachers. Nor any televised pastors.

 

[TabinRivCA]

I know Hagin's history. Yes, we will disagree that an anointed pastor carves out the history Hagin has and does.

I don't listen to any WoF preachers. Nor any televised pastors.

Ok thanks.

 

[studentoftheword]

Bart Ehrman is a proclaimer that he is an authoritative Expert on the new testament and teaches False Dangerous Doctrine and many people listen to him and believe his crap -----

Greek word for Preacher

Strong's Concordance

kérux: a herald​

Original Word: κῆρυξ, υκος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kérux
Phonetic Spelling: (kay'-roox)
Definition: a herald
Usage: a herald, preacher, proclaimer


BART D. EHRMAN: AUTHOR, SPEAKER, CONSULTANT
LEARN FROM A WORLD-RENOWNED NEW TESTAMENT EXPERT
Thought provoking books, online courses, and speaking engagements to grow your knowledge about the New Testament and early Christian history.

Bart D. Ehrman net worth is approximately $1.5 Million.

Richard Rohr Net Worth : $ 16 Million
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So it is alright for these people who are racking in the Millions of dollars from proclaiming and preaching false doctrine to be millionaires ---people look past the $$$$$$$$ sign to take in their false message and be sent to Spiritual torment ----LOL

 

[Blade]

Please no offense but this thread went south. God is not part of confusion nor gossip.. this stops the sweet holy Spirit every time. No you dont because your not doing it in love to help to uplift, bring them back. "if I get it wrong tell me I will repent get it right". WHY didn't any of you that disagree post this? You talked about them. I can post more you know things oddly no one post no one says in any video that speaks negatively about them.

A preacher way before me and I am 61 said on as he was talking about something "you may disagree or have a different doctrine that does not change salvation praise GOD thats ok". That man had the power of God that almost ALL believers never doubt yet he did have some strange teachings at times.

One could say I was raised around Word of Faith. Every time haha I hear that read that I think of the bible yet it was just a bible study there was no Internet so I knew nothing about it at first. They would just say if we say anything that is not written do not believe us. If you had a need they would go right to the bible read what it says then pray that word. Oh the grand mother prayed 4 hours a day. When they prayed it happened. Yeah you just haha can't get around that. When you pray at home "Jesus show me what I have to do to be like you" Then a week a later as we were worshiping the lord "Danny I don't know what this means but the lord says I will show you what you have to do" or praying about that one wart in your palm then just before finish praying says "lord and the ones between his toes". Now you sit there and think and shocked "HOW in the world did he know this? I didn't ever tell anyone not even my mom". Then again about a week later every wart just went away and never to this day ever came back. I can go on..

I have so so many stories.. things I never share because I always always see it as I am just boasting.. well thats the thought I always get so never share all of them just a few. I have even greater ones the lord has done. I had a very dear friend one day as we were talking telling me the only reason I believe what I do is because what they said WOF people. HAHA all my life I see it differently. Its them that believe like me. So I open my 1st bible my parents gave me .. see no internet then nor just watch TV my dad was very very mean so I just read the bible. One day asked Jean the grand mother about these verses that keep jumping out.. I mean you just can't get past them for some reason. She said thats God talking to you. So I showed my friend my bible.

What I believe is written.. and there are things I can get do get wrong. I will not speak negative about any of Gods kids. If I see hear one is wrong and FEEL LEAD by the sweet holy spirit to say something I go to them. EVERY TIME God opens the door. See I found out there are things I can feely do say hear watch yet ALL can play a part in God like stepping back or giving room to the enemy. That.. giving room.. see he can only have room if we some how allowed it See I have the fruits.. I can go on and on for days about what GOD has done. EVERY TIME is for the good always helps always lifts up always points to Christ and is ALWAYS written. Its just.. even now I feel I said way to much and it points to me. I learned EVERYTHING points to him.. HAS TO. I can't get take ANY glory what so every.

Knew a very very drear friend (Preacher) one day talking says oh I give God all the glory but I like to take 10%. He was honest praise GOD lol. Out of all I seen heard I think one that really stands out is seeing someones heart. Only once and I was in my 50's. The heart was NOTHIGN what so ever like the person I was watching. That was shocking.. how can that heart be 100% different then everything I was watching seeing hearing? Then if I pray repent every night then I MUST give treat all the same way as if they do the same. He always forgives me.. never ever tells me my faults. Maybe I need to see the good first in others then if I see something maybe the only reason He is showing me is so I can pray for them NOT talk about them gossip. If I offended forgive me. Saying this all was not easy.. I HATE DISLIKE sharing chatting haha. JUST words spelling..well you can guess who always told me about that

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.