An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation
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FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible says clearly that unbelievers will be resurrected for judgment (GWT). They clearly won't have glorified bodies, so it should be clear that their physical bodies will be resurrected for that reason. The "second death" simply refers to the fact that when they are cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15) their resurrected physical body WILL DIE AGAIN. But that doesn't involve their soul.
Glad you asked. I'm always happy to share Scripture.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. That means one each.
This shows that unbelievers will be rejoined to their physical bodies in order to attend the GWT judgment, after which they will be cast into the lake of fire, where their physical bodies will once again DIE.
The Bible says clearly that unbelievers will be resurrected for judgment (GWT). They clearly won't have glorified bodies, so it should be clear that their physical bodies will be resurrected for that reason. The "second death" simply refers to the fact that when they are cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15) their resurrected physical body WILL DIE AGAIN. But that doesn't involve their soul.
Glad you asked. I'm always happy to share Scripture.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. That means one each.
This shows that unbelievers will be rejoined to their physical bodies in order to attend the GWT judgment, after which they will be cast into the lake of fire, where their physical bodies will once again DIE.
When I was very young I sat down to play a game. We put our hands on this little pointer thing with a clear window in it and asked questions, and the pointer pointed to letters to spell out an answer. Almost instantly I felt a really terrible feeling settling down around me and I couldn't play. I never could stand the sight of that game again. Thinking about it now gives makes me angry. Now you know my entire foray into the 'occult', with the exception of reading my horoscope now and then.
Today I ask myself was it the information or the presentation. My answer is presentation. If I could do a breakdown and explanation like you did for that one little part of Gods word, I would write SOMETHING, anything. But most likely it is normal thinking to you and not seen as the 'gift' it is. I say USE IT.
What I did realize is this, with the words of God as my only source of information, I wasn't that far off the mark in my reply and all I can say about that is PRAISE ye the LORD!!! Another confirmation all the information we will ever need is found within those pages.
And GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER, and I don't say that lightly
Today I ask myself was it the information or the presentation. My answer is presentation. If I could do a breakdown and explanation like you did for that one little part of Gods word, I would write SOMETHING, anything. But most likely it is normal thinking to you and not seen as the 'gift' it is. I say USE IT.
What I did realize is this, with the words of God as my only source of information, I wasn't that far off the mark in my reply and all I can say about that is PRAISE ye the LORD!!! Another confirmation all the information we will ever need is found within those pages.
And GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER, and I don't say that lightly
I thought I was addressing what you posted. Lets see how I do here.
Matt 28 says And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
You say there is a clear difference between ABLE TO but it doesn't SAY GOD WILL.
TO ADDRESS what I believe is the SPECIFIC POINT you are trying to make, that is says CAN and NOT WILL, I put forth
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
SO NOW that we can be POSITIVE THAT HE ISN'T JUST SAYING IT but it will be taking place, what has that changed?
Matt 28 says And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
You say there is a clear difference between ABLE TO but it doesn't SAY GOD WILL.
TO ADDRESS what I believe is the SPECIFIC POINT you are trying to make, that is says CAN and NOT WILL, I put forth
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
SO NOW that we can be POSITIVE THAT HE ISN'T JUST SAYING IT but it will be taking place, what has that changed?
OK. Does it say unbelievers will be resurrected before that also? If you don't think so then please explain what is being said here.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and
at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
if this takes place at 'the time of trouble' and also 'at the gwtj' isn't that 2 separate and completely different resurrections both of time and place of the unbelievers?
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and
at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
if this takes place at 'the time of trouble' and also 'at the gwtj' isn't that 2 separate and completely different resurrections both of time and place of the unbelievers?
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Which parts of these do you see as 'missing'?
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Which parts of these do you see as 'missing'?
FreeGrace2 said:
So, instead of trying to address anything I posted, you just forge ahead and talk over me.
Matt 10:28 doesn't SAY that God WILL destroy the soul. It says He is ABLE TO. There is a clear difference.
I explained. You didn't address any of what I posted.
How does this relate to Matt 10:28? Seems you are drifting aimlessly.
Sorry but I don't understand your question. Please re-phrase.
And I don't see how Rom 9"22 relates to Matt 10:28 either.
So, instead of trying to address anything I posted, you just forge ahead and talk over me.
Matt 10:28 doesn't SAY that God WILL destroy the soul. It says He is ABLE TO. There is a clear difference.
I explained. You didn't address any of what I posted.
How does this relate to Matt 10:28? Seems you are drifting aimlessly.
Sorry but I don't understand your question. Please re-phrase.
And I don't see how Rom 9"22 relates to Matt 10:28 either.
FreeGrace2 said:
Why assume Jesus looked differently after His resurrection?
What is clear from Scripture is that when Jesus came back from the dead He HAD His glorified body. That shouldn't even be in dispute.
We WILL be resurrected with our body, but it will be "changed as in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor 15:52).
Why assume Jesus looked differently after His resurrection?
What is clear from Scripture is that when Jesus came back from the dead He HAD His glorified body. That shouldn't even be in dispute.
We WILL be resurrected with our body, but it will be "changed as in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor 15:52).
No, it doesn't. In fact, Acts 24:15 makes clear there will be "a resurrection" of the unsaved. I notice a single resurrection.
Here is the Hebrew word translated "many of them that sleep".
rab: much, many, great
Transliteration: rab
Definition: much, many, great
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from rabab
Definition
much, many, great
NASB Translation
abound (1), abounding (4), abounds (1), abundance (1), abundant (15), abundantly (2), broad (1), enough (8), far enough (2), full (2), Great (2), great (83), great deal (1), greater (6), greatly (5), heavy (1), increased (2), large (6), larger (4), long (8), long enough (2), many (207), many things (1), many times (2), many...things (1), masses (1), mighty (7), more (5), more numerous (1), much (16), multitude (2), numerous (10), older (1), plentiful (1), plenty (2), populous (1), powerful (1), prevalent (1), severe (2), very (2), who are many (1), who was once great (1).
This is similar to the Greek 'many'. Neither mean "less than all". Rather, think of "the masses" or "a great number".
Don't think of the phrase as "not everyone".
iow, EVERYONE will rise up in Dan 12:2. Some to eternal life, and some to the lake of fire.
Here is the Hebrew word translated "many of them that sleep".
rab: much, many, great
Transliteration: rab
Definition: much, many, great
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from rabab
Definition
much, many, great
NASB Translation
abound (1), abounding (4), abounds (1), abundance (1), abundant (15), abundantly (2), broad (1), enough (8), far enough (2), full (2), Great (2), great (83), great deal (1), greater (6), greatly (5), heavy (1), increased (2), large (6), larger (4), long (8), long enough (2), many (207), many things (1), many times (2), many...things (1), masses (1), mighty (7), more (5), more numerous (1), much (16), multitude (2), numerous (10), older (1), plentiful (1), plenty (2), populous (1), powerful (1), prevalent (1), severe (2), very (2), who are many (1), who was once great (1).
This is similar to the Greek 'many'. Neither mean "less than all". Rather, think of "the masses" or "a great number".
Don't think of the phrase as "not everyone".
iow, EVERYONE will rise up in Dan 12:2. Some to eternal life, and some to the lake of fire.
Have I heard what you have been saying? I believe so. Have you heard what I have been saying?
You believe
1 Thess 4:16 -' the dead shall rise' - is the 'resurrection' of the flesh and blood bodies receiving their glory, THE 'SAVED' SOULS that went to heaven and return with Christ. This is the first resurrection, Christ the first fruits. NOTHING other than the carcasses (of the saved) rise up from the earth that day. Those who are ALIVE and remaining are changed and join up with the dead risen corpuses to meet the 'spirits' of them in the air at which point they are glorifed.
At the end of the Lords Day comes the GWTH at which time ALL the UNSAVED rise up in their dust (or are delivered up from hell and death) are judged and their 2nd death is when the flesh body DIEs AGAIN, but their soul doesn't when they go into the lake of fire.
There are 2 resurrections.
One on the day Christ returns for the saved.
The other at GWTJ for the unsaved who go into the lake of fire.
There are no others.
Please correct all that I have misunderstood.
You believe
1 Thess 4:16 -' the dead shall rise' - is the 'resurrection' of the flesh and blood bodies receiving their glory, THE 'SAVED' SOULS that went to heaven and return with Christ. This is the first resurrection, Christ the first fruits. NOTHING other than the carcasses (of the saved) rise up from the earth that day. Those who are ALIVE and remaining are changed and join up with the dead risen corpuses to meet the 'spirits' of them in the air at which point they are glorifed.
At the end of the Lords Day comes the GWTH at which time ALL the UNSAVED rise up in their dust (or are delivered up from hell and death) are judged and their 2nd death is when the flesh body DIEs AGAIN, but their soul doesn't when they go into the lake of fire.
There are 2 resurrections.
One on the day Christ returns for the saved.
The other at GWTJ for the unsaved who go into the lake of fire.
There are no others.
Please correct all that I have misunderstood.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
From the time the Cyrus sent them to build the temple till the time CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED
but not for Himself
HE was crucified -
to send the Holy Spirit
to fulfill the 1st prophecy 'it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel'.
to bring in the new covenant - the Lamb slain, the infinite value of the blood of Christ shed for our sins
to open up salvation to whomsoever would
for us to receive the Spirit of Adoption
that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
to pay the penalty of death for sin
for death to be swallowed up in victory.
for God in Christ to reconcile the world unto Himself by not imputing our trespasses and committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
for us to receive His imputed righteousness
so we didn't have to have a priest talk to God for us - rent the veil
the list goes on and on
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
THIS DID take place in 70 AD.
It was also what CHRIST promised to that generation
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
THIS IS yet FUTURE - The tribulation
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
even until the consummation,
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
GODS WRATH poured out
When I was very young I sat down to play a game. We put our hands on this little pointer thing with a clear window in it and asked questions, and the pointer pointed to letters to spell out an answer. Almost instantly I felt a really terrible feeling settling down around me and I couldn't play. I never could stand the sight of that game again. Thinking about it now gives makes me angry. Now you know my entire foray into the 'occult', with the exception of reading my horoscope now and then.
Today I ask myself was it the information or the presentation. My answer is presentation. If I could do a breakdown and explanation like you did for that one little part of Gods word, I would write SOMETHING, anything. But most likely it is normal thinking to you and not seen as the 'gift' it is. I say USE IT.
What I did realize is this, with the words of God as my only source of information, I wasn't that far off the mark in my reply and all I can say about that is PRAISE ye the LORD!!! Another confirmation all the information we will ever need is found within those pages.
And GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER, and I don't say that lightly
Today I ask myself was it the information or the presentation. My answer is presentation. If I could do a breakdown and explanation like you did for that one little part of Gods word, I would write SOMETHING, anything. But most likely it is normal thinking to you and not seen as the 'gift' it is. I say USE IT.
What I did realize is this, with the words of God as my only source of information, I wasn't that far off the mark in my reply and all I can say about that is PRAISE ye the LORD!!! Another confirmation all the information we will ever need is found within those pages.
And GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER, and I don't say that lightly
Calvin was a Frenchman and so whilst he first wrote the Institutes in Latin he also wrote French versions as well. This 1541 version is regarded as the most pastoral of all his writings.
To give you a sense of what I mean here, brother.
Calvin was a philologist. He was also a lawyer and he was highly intelligent with a genuine passion for life which he took from his upbringing and French culture. What I see from your own efforts in this thread is a passion that exceeds a learned ability - yet a mind of reason. You instinctively broaden your reason and fill in the blanks with your passion. As a consequence you exceed reason and yet sense the validity of passion that contains the same sense of truth - but can often run ahead of reason. The Word of God is filled with reason and only when we lay hold of it can we find the narrow way of Christ as an act of obedience and a willingness to lay down our own lives for His sake. Only in that meaning does pleasure in learning become joy in walking in the Spirit.
Let Calvin show you in your own language how he brought reason to bear on the Word of God and demonstrated pastorally with passion just how full the Scripture is.
As a child I went into the occult from the age of seven years and remained in that mind until I was twenty four years. When I was converted to Christ I was on the cusp of setting up an occult theosophic order that was bordering on a Satanic rebellion against God. I knew by the end of my writings that I was on the very edge of losing my mind to a power that I could not control by reason alone - and my passion that would make me its undoubted slave. It was in that moment that the Father revealed Himself and I immediately asked about Christ.
My mind as an occultist was supernaturally stimulated by unclean spirits and so what I wrote would have only been intelligible to those who were also in that mind. But the one thing that became immediately clear to me after being saved was that my mind had been restored. So the first time I read the Scriptures I was astonished that within the pages of the Bible - could be found the fullness of truth that speaks into every element of life and every difficulty of reason that is ruined by emotional flesh.
At the heart of much passion - is anger or emotional pain and confusion.
It is often injustice and falsehood of others who had authority over us and set us in chains else set us free to endlessly wrestle with truth - that made way for our fall - when truth is often informed by our minds which remember the injustices. In that common mind we must find a basis to forgive others - and we must set our faces as flint and refuse manipulation of others without rebelling against the Father who desires us to be a servant to all.
The Apostles were first taught by Christ - before they were filled by the power of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. We should not be afraid to take a sober and reasoned attitude to the Scriptures - when doing so will open us to the most precious revelation of God and cause us to wonder at Him so that we can say - what shall I do Lord.
Are you aware of the words "hoi polloi"? It is translated "the many". The Greeks used it to mean "the masses". Just as the Hebrew word has the same connotation.
Here is the NIV: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It doesn't mean "less than everyone" or "less than all".
This verse is like John 5:28,29
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Both Dan 12:2 and John 5:28,29 speak of the fact that both the saved and the unsaved will rise from the dead.
Neither can be placed at the same time, as your question suggests.
The saved will be resurrected at the Second Advent, and the unsaved will rise from the dead after the Millennium to attend the GWT judgment.
Here is the NIV: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It doesn't mean "less than everyone" or "less than all".
This verse is like John 5:28,29
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Both Dan 12:2 and John 5:28,29 speak of the fact that both the saved and the unsaved will rise from the dead.
Neither can be placed at the same time, as your question suggests.
The saved will be resurrected at the Second Advent, and the unsaved will rise from the dead after the Millennium to attend the GWT judgment.
We are resurrected IN our body. Just not THE FLESH AND BLOOD ONE. The flesh and blood body is of the SEEN WORLD, the Spiritual body is of the UNSEEN WORLD. I think it is flesh and bone.
Coming back on a 'last day' for the decaying and rotting and going to dust one is not an option for those who are of the first resurrection. Those of the first resurrection do not SEE DECAY OR ROT, just like Christ didn't.
Gods words themselves prove it to ALL of us.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
HOW THIS READS IN THE GREEK
This now I say brothers that flesh and blood [the] kingdom of God to inherit not is able
nor the decay the immortality does inherit
IF LEFT IN THE GROUND TO DECOMPOSE - IMMORTALITY IS NOT INHERITED.
Therefore the body can not be left in the ground (LIKE THE UNSAVED OR 'THE DEAD WHO RISE' who RISE but don't become immortal, still facing the 2nd death at the end of the Millennium)
5356. phthora
Strong's Concordance
phthora: destruction, corruption
Original Word: φθορά, ᾶς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: phthora
Phonetic Spelling: (fthor-ah')
Definition: destruction, corruption
Usage: corruption, destruction, decay, rottenness, decomposition.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5356 phthorá (from 5351 /phtheírō) – destruction from internal corruption (deterioration, decay); "rottenness, perishableness, corruption, decay, decomposition" (Souter). See 5351 (phteírō).
Coming back on a 'last day' for the decaying and rotting and going to dust one is not an option for those who are of the first resurrection. Those of the first resurrection do not SEE DECAY OR ROT, just like Christ didn't.
Gods words themselves prove it to ALL of us.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
HOW THIS READS IN THE GREEK
This now I say brothers that flesh and blood [the] kingdom of God to inherit not is able
nor the decay the immortality does inherit
IF LEFT IN THE GROUND TO DECOMPOSE - IMMORTALITY IS NOT INHERITED.
Therefore the body can not be left in the ground (LIKE THE UNSAVED OR 'THE DEAD WHO RISE' who RISE but don't become immortal, still facing the 2nd death at the end of the Millennium)
5356. phthora
Strong's Concordance
phthora: destruction, corruption
Original Word: φθορά, ᾶς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: phthora
Phonetic Spelling: (fthor-ah')
Definition: destruction, corruption
Usage: corruption, destruction, decay, rottenness, decomposition.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5356 phthorá (from 5351 /phtheírō) – destruction from internal corruption (deterioration, decay); "rottenness, perishableness, corruption, decay, decomposition" (Souter). See 5351 (phteírō).
When the Bible speaks of "flesh and blood" it is referring to our mortal physical bodies.
God is fully able to resurrect bodies that have been blown to bits from war, etc. Please don't limit God's power. It is unlimited.
Of course. Believers will have a glorified body.
Gods words themselves prove it to ALL of us.
Paul is explaining that the mortal body cannot exist in the eternal kingdom. And the mortal body does not inherit an immortal one.
But God is able to resurrect our mortal bodies and change them to immortal bodies.
Where do you see this "rule" in Scripture? And the believer's body isn't "left in the ground".
God is fully able to resurrect bodies that have been blown to bits from war, etc. Please don't limit God's power. It is unlimited.
Of course. Believers will have a glorified body.
Gods words themselves prove it to ALL of us.
Paul is explaining that the mortal body cannot exist in the eternal kingdom. And the mortal body does not inherit an immortal one.
But God is able to resurrect our mortal bodies and change them to immortal bodies.
Where do you see this "rule" in Scripture? And the believer's body isn't "left in the ground".
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