Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.
- Thread starter crossnote
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yes on the last day under the sun
All Israel is not born again Israel
A person should inquire... of the Holy Spirit .Was he speaking of the born again Israel also called Christians the new name he name His bride? Or a outward Jew pertaining to the flesh and blood. . . born without a living hope and without God.
Remember who ever does not have the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him . As new creatures we are informed to know no man after the flesh. We rather are to walk by faith the unseen eternal
All Israel is not born again Israel
A person should inquire... of the Holy Spirit .Was he speaking of the born again Israel also called Christians the new name he name His bride? Or a outward Jew pertaining to the flesh and blood. . . born without a living hope and without God.
Remember who ever does not have the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him . As new creatures we are informed to know no man after the flesh. We rather are to walk by faith the unseen eternal
There is no yes and.
The kingdom is not observable period. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Just like his people are not to this world, same way with those born of the spirit.
(John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)
Thou claimest to be a master of scripture and knowest not these things?
The kingdom is not observable period. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Just like his people are not to this world, same way with those born of the spirit.
(John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)
Thou claimest to be a master of scripture and knowest not these things?
-
2
- Show all
The 'yes, and?' meant 'and what was your point?'
When Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world, He didn't mean it is invisible. He meant it was established elsewhere, is not sin ladened and had wholly different principles than this world.
And so we pray 'thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'.
When Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world, He didn't mean it is invisible. He meant it was established elsewhere, is not sin ladened and had wholly different principles than this world.
And so we pray 'thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'.
Thanks for your strong arguments!!! I couldn't agree more, but we have other passages that place Christ return during that generation.
Mt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
There is no rational way for the futurists to spin this passage. This is clear and concise. We are told by our Savior that He would come before all of the people standing before Him would die.
I think the main reason futurists deny the timing which Christ gives is because they 1) don't understand the nature of His return, 2) they don't realize we have precedents for this. We have 4 occasions where God the Father came in His presence during the 600s BC to punish 4 nations using the same description of what those on earth would see that Christ used.
When God came on the clouds in judgment in the Old Testament, the spirit of the Lord was pictured riding dark storm clouds accompanied by rumblings of the earth, thunder and lightning. 2 Samuel 22:10-15 illustrates this fact:
He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his canopy around him—the dark rain clouds of the sky. Out of the brightness of his presence bolts of lightning blazed forth. The Lord thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them.
In Matthew 24:27, Jesus promises to return in a like manner. The fact that Jesus likens His return to “lightning that comes from the east” illustrates the fact that when Christ was expected to come on the clouds in judgment He was to do so as the Lord had done in the past–riding on dark storm clouds accompanied by lightning. Matthew 24:27 was fulfilled both literally and symbolically in the Jewish War.
Historical confirmation of lightening marking the second coming of Christ may be found in the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus:
In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightening flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure (Tacitus The Histories 4.81).
In this brief account, Tacitus, a secular Roman, may have unknowingly recorded the lightning flash associated with the heavenly return of Jesus in A.D. 66. Also notice that “a superhuman voice was heard” literally fulfilling 2 Samuel 22:14. In this v. “the voice of the Most High resounded” upon His coming on the clouds in judgment. This event is also mentioned in Wars of the Jews:
“Before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Perhaps the most detailed description of the second coming is found in Rev 19:11-14. In these verses, Jesus is pictured "riding a white horse leading an army of angels on horseback on the clouds." The description of the second coming in Revelation 19:11-14 and Josephus’ account of the army in the clouds over Israel bear an uncanny resemblance. Josephus and Tacitus unwittingly record the an appearance of Christ during Israel’s first century war with Rome.
I notice that every time I provide these 2 examples, futurists ignore these historical accounts and offer no alternative meaning for them. These two documented accounts leave them speechless.
Mt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
There is no rational way for the futurists to spin this passage. This is clear and concise. We are told by our Savior that He would come before all of the people standing before Him would die.
I think the main reason futurists deny the timing which Christ gives is because they 1) don't understand the nature of His return, 2) they don't realize we have precedents for this. We have 4 occasions where God the Father came in His presence during the 600s BC to punish 4 nations using the same description of what those on earth would see that Christ used.
When God came on the clouds in judgment in the Old Testament, the spirit of the Lord was pictured riding dark storm clouds accompanied by rumblings of the earth, thunder and lightning. 2 Samuel 22:10-15 illustrates this fact:
He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his canopy around him—the dark rain clouds of the sky. Out of the brightness of his presence bolts of lightning blazed forth. The Lord thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them.
In Matthew 24:27, Jesus promises to return in a like manner. The fact that Jesus likens His return to “lightning that comes from the east” illustrates the fact that when Christ was expected to come on the clouds in judgment He was to do so as the Lord had done in the past–riding on dark storm clouds accompanied by lightning. Matthew 24:27 was fulfilled both literally and symbolically in the Jewish War.
Historical confirmation of lightening marking the second coming of Christ may be found in the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus:
In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightening flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure (Tacitus The Histories 4.81).
In this brief account, Tacitus, a secular Roman, may have unknowingly recorded the lightning flash associated with the heavenly return of Jesus in A.D. 66. Also notice that “a superhuman voice was heard” literally fulfilling 2 Samuel 22:14. In this v. “the voice of the Most High resounded” upon His coming on the clouds in judgment. This event is also mentioned in Wars of the Jews:
“Before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Perhaps the most detailed description of the second coming is found in Rev 19:11-14. In these verses, Jesus is pictured "riding a white horse leading an army of angels on horseback on the clouds." The description of the second coming in Revelation 19:11-14 and Josephus’ account of the army in the clouds over Israel bear an uncanny resemblance. Josephus and Tacitus unwittingly record the an appearance of Christ during Israel’s first century war with Rome.
I notice that every time I provide these 2 examples, futurists ignore these historical accounts and offer no alternative meaning for them. These two documented accounts leave them speechless.
-
1
- Show all
You can only hold this view if you deny the great tribulation as the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The great tribulation is NOT a global event as much futurists believe, rather it was a regional event. Christ tells us this quite clearly. He tells us that there is a way to escape. “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." Only those in Judea needed to heed Christ's words and they can escape the GT simply by fleeing Judea.
As for the so-called "cosmic" events, we have records of these same phenomenon recorded 4 times in the OT when God came in wrath against Babylon, Edom, Egypt and Israel of the 600s BC:
According to Psalm 18:9-11 when God came on the clouds in judgment on a city, He rode dark storm clouds that often masked the brightness of his appearance:
As for the so-called "cosmic" events, we have records of these same phenomenon recorded 4 times in the OT when God came in wrath against Babylon, Edom, Egypt and Israel of the 600s BC:
According to Psalm 18:9-11 when God came on the clouds in judgment on a city, He rode dark storm clouds that often masked the brightness of his appearance:
He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him—the dark rain clouds of the sky
The dark storm clouds that mark the presence of the Lord when He comes on the clouds in judgment are presumably the cause of the darkening of the sun and moon mentioned in v. 29. The fact that the storm clouds marking the coming of the Lord on the clouds in judgment on a nation are the reason that the sun, moon and stars are darkened is clearly stated in Ezekiel 32:7: “When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light.-
1
- Show all
There are not many end times ways..there is only One Truth...and the Bible is it....and so it's just not all the end times doctrines that people come up with...it pre trib for the Bible says so..God said in Rev 3 He would deliver those that obeyed from the temptation that is to try the earth...lol...Abraham said to Jesus over and over talking to him about Sodom and Gamorah...far be it from you Lord to destroy the righteous with the wicked and Lot and his two daughters were taken out..Noah too...its pre trib...so teaching anything else adds to and takes away from Rev and the plagues will be on those who teach this heresy or any other
Cosmic Disturbances as mentioned in Mat 24 and Rev 6 have a double meaning. The glory of nations are said to be measured in brightness. When a nation is destroyed by God using foreign armies, which was very common, God "puts out the lights" of that nation. In boxing we use a similar phrase, "He knocked the lights out of his opponent." In Daniel 12:3 we see that the righteous are described as bright lights, "Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever."
The below is another example of God darkening a country He is destroying, using familiar cosmetic disturbance language.
585 BC - Destruction of Egypt (Ezek 32): 2 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say to him: 3 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will therefore spread My net over you with a company of many people, And they will draw you up in My net. 7 When I put out your light, I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, And the moon shall not give her light. 8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you, And bring darkness upon your land,” Says the Lord God.
539 BC - Destruction of Babylon (Isa 13): The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw. The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. 5 They come from a far country, From the end of heaven— 9 Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
598-582 BC - Destruction of Judea (Joel 2): Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand: 2 A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. 3 A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them. 4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run. 10 The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness.
66-70 AD - Destruction of Judea and Jerusalem (Joel 2): “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 32 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem...
Mat 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev 6: 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Thus, the Presence of God/Jesus often precede the destruction which befalls a nation about to face God's judgment. It should be noted, in Mat 24, Jesus is not talking about coming after the Great Tribulation but rather after the tribulation of Mat 24:9, the slaughtering of Christians. Divine wrath presence always precedes the enemy forces doing the destruction.
The below is another example of God darkening a country He is destroying, using familiar cosmetic disturbance language.
585 BC - Destruction of Egypt (Ezek 32): 2 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say to him: 3 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will therefore spread My net over you with a company of many people, And they will draw you up in My net. 7 When I put out your light, I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, And the moon shall not give her light. 8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you, And bring darkness upon your land,” Says the Lord God.
539 BC - Destruction of Babylon (Isa 13): The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw. The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. 5 They come from a far country, From the end of heaven— 9 Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
598-582 BC - Destruction of Judea (Joel 2): Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand: 2 A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. 3 A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them. 4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run. 10 The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness.
66-70 AD - Destruction of Judea and Jerusalem (Joel 2): “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 32 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem...
Mat 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev 6: 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Thus, the Presence of God/Jesus often precede the destruction which befalls a nation about to face God's judgment. It should be noted, in Mat 24, Jesus is not talking about coming after the Great Tribulation but rather after the tribulation of Mat 24:9, the slaughtering of Christians. Divine wrath presence always precedes the enemy forces doing the destruction.
The Amil (no literal thousands years) position, the signified. It works the best when following the required hermeneutics. It is how He gives us a ears so we can hear what the Spirit says unto the churches or denominations. Giving us the unseen understanding called the law of faith .hiding it from natural man who walk by sight, the temporal as to what the eyes see.
Why would someone avoid it and literalize the Book ?
Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
He will come on the last day "unlike Noah" the whole creation will go up in the fire of the wrath of God . And all the saints will receive the goal of there new born again faith a new incorruptible body and in the same twinkling of the eye. . . death as to the letter of law will be cast into the judgment fire of God's wrath. Never to rise and condemn or corrupt a entire creation.
John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The letter of the law will judge on the last day . For those who do rise on that last day there memory will be forgotten and former things will never come to mind. One work in the twinkling of the eye
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Job was given the faith to look to that day. . the end of under the Sun
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Why would someone avoid it and literalize the Book ?
Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
He will come on the last day "unlike Noah" the whole creation will go up in the fire of the wrath of God . And all the saints will receive the goal of there new born again faith a new incorruptible body and in the same twinkling of the eye. . . death as to the letter of law will be cast into the judgment fire of God's wrath. Never to rise and condemn or corrupt a entire creation.
John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The letter of the law will judge on the last day . For those who do rise on that last day there memory will be forgotten and former things will never come to mind. One work in the twinkling of the eye
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Job was given the faith to look to that day. . the end of under the Sun
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
I'm sorry but it is very clear...Jesus will reign 1000 years....and to not accept it is to change the book of Rev....so maybe you will have to go thru the trib then....add to or take away....im sorry but we don't spirtualize clear simple things like the 1000 years....God does not give people opposing views the Devil does that...right...right...and given denominations teach opposite things and confuse people they can not be God's...there are no denominations in the NT...just Christians
OK...Then do you signify the key, chain, bottomless pit, serpent, hand, beheaded souls or any other metaphor in that parable?
The bible God's word is a spiritual book unlike any other. Why would we not look for the spiritual understandings? The signified understanding does not change the literal history but comes along side it. . revealing the hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2.
In these last days he speaks to us through his Son of man whose life the unseen Father used as a parable of the good things to come which is our new incorruptible bodies. Neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile.
He is reigning with the church for almost two thousand literal years. Thousand years a unknown according to the signified tongue of God. The Book of Revelation.
Verse 1 of Revelation 1 establishes how we can hear what the Spirit says to us. If we literalize the signified, we will not hear. . In that way no man could serve two masters.
I would suggest doing a study on the word "thousand" as to how it is used in various parables to give us the signified understanding. Hid from the lost.
The bible God's word is a spiritual book unlike any other. Why would we not look for the spiritual understandings? The signified understanding does not change the literal history but comes along side it. . revealing the hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2.
In these last days he speaks to us through his Son of man whose life the unseen Father used as a parable of the good things to come which is our new incorruptible bodies. Neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile.
He is reigning with the church for almost two thousand literal years. Thousand years a unknown according to the signified tongue of God. The Book of Revelation.
Verse 1 of Revelation 1 establishes how we can hear what the Spirit says to us. If we literalize the signified, we will not hear. . In that way no man could serve two masters.
I would suggest doing a study on the word "thousand" as to how it is used in various parables to give us the signified understanding. Hid from the lost.
When David killed Goliath was that Spiritual...real stone...real sling and real dead....it does not say God killed Goliath...but no doubt God was working with David...he had faith and training and courage...
Very little of the Bible is Spiritualized...the Amill view is held by few and it does not work...
It really does not work for the few people I have found that believe it...i have been at it night and day 25 years and this issue is not true...like soul sleep or flat earther...they are all very poor things to believe
Very little of the Bible is Spiritualized...the Amill view is held by few and it does not work...
It really does not work for the few people I have found that believe it...i have been at it night and day 25 years and this issue is not true...like soul sleep or flat earther...they are all very poor things to believe
In the context we were discussing, the tribulation of Mat 24:9 was the persecution of Christians. Jesus promised in John 16, "In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." Paul, in his 2nd letter to the Thessalonians acknowledges, "in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure." He was speaking of the persecutions they were suffering under the Jews who lived among them.
The Great Tribulation, was God's pay-back to those wicked Jews. He gathered them all in one place, in Jerusalem, during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, whereby they were trapped by the Romans. Paul acknowledges this 2 verses later in 2 Thes, "since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you."
Thus you have tribulation and great tribulation in the first century. Tribulation (small t) continues for Christians in much of the world from then to today. God's wrath is not aimed at us and we have no teaching of future wrath, although I think it likely if the world continues as it is.
The Great Tribulation, was God's pay-back to those wicked Jews. He gathered them all in one place, in Jerusalem, during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, whereby they were trapped by the Romans. Paul acknowledges this 2 verses later in 2 Thes, "since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you."
Thus you have tribulation and great tribulation in the first century. Tribulation (small t) continues for Christians in much of the world from then to today. God's wrath is not aimed at us and we have no teaching of future wrath, although I think it likely if the world continues as it is.
-
1
- Show all
You're mixing unrelated verses yet again. The "two masters" verse is about God and money, not signified and literal.
Hidden from the lost, not from Christians. You are being quite arrogant in assuming that you have understanding that is "hidden" from other Christians. Given the many strange ideas you have posted on this site, I think it more likely that the understanding of Scripture has been hidden from you because you insist that the real meaning is not in the plain text.
Hidden from the lost, not from Christians. You are being quite arrogant in assuming that you have understanding that is "hidden" from other Christians. Given the many strange ideas you have posted on this site, I think it more likely that the understanding of Scripture has been hidden from you because you insist that the real meaning is not in the plain text.
-
2
-
1
- Show all
It is a strange hermeutic when one can assign invisible attributes to objects in the name of 'being spiritual' and thus 'see things' that were never intended to be invisible.
I'm glad Jesus came in the flesh and not in an 'amill' fashion...i.e. invisible. Oh wait! that's how the preterists explain His 2nd Coming.
I'm glad Jesus came in the flesh and not in an 'amill' fashion...i.e. invisible. Oh wait! that's how the preterists explain His 2nd Coming.
The unseen place of our invisible God's glory is hidden. And will be revealed in the next order. It cannot be found in the corrupted flesh and blood of mankind as rudiments of this corrupted earth.
The Son of man clearly informs us His flesh profits for nothing. What did profit was the Spirit the father poured out on the corrupted flesh of Jesus, giving strength to finish the work of the two . Romans informs us it must be typified as sinful in order for the demonstration to do what the written letter of the law could not do .Redeem mankind
One visible demonstration is all he promised. God is not a man as us. He remains without mother or father, without descent, beginning of Spirit life or end of Spirit life. He is eternal Spirit. We see his invisible face by the knowledge he give us.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16
Ask oneself how long is "henceforth no more".? Strange hermeneutic or loving commandment?
We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal. Again God is not a man as us. Impossible he the Faithful Creator (not created) remains without beginning of spirit life.
The Son of man clearly informs us His flesh profits for nothing. What did profit was the Spirit the father poured out on the corrupted flesh of Jesus, giving strength to finish the work of the two . Romans informs us it must be typified as sinful in order for the demonstration to do what the written letter of the law could not do .Redeem mankind
One visible demonstration is all he promised. God is not a man as us. He remains without mother or father, without descent, beginning of Spirit life or end of Spirit life. He is eternal Spirit. We see his invisible face by the knowledge he give us.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16
Ask oneself how long is "henceforth no more".? Strange hermeneutic or loving commandment?
We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal. Again God is not a man as us. Impossible he the Faithful Creator (not created) remains without beginning of spirit life.