Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

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throughfaith

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#41
Everyone gets it. It is one of the simpler truths in the bible.
To say that Acts 2 and other specific messages to Israel can be generally applied to Gentiles misses the mark completely.
 
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#42
This one gospel for the Jews and another gospel for the gentiles is not from Christ
Jesus himself said rhe message would go first to the Jew then to Samaria then the whole earth (gentiles)

He did not say different messages he said the same message. Paul taught the same message peter did People trying to put peter against Paul are wrong
 
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#43
To say that Acts 2 and other specific messages to Israel can be generally applied to Gentiles misses the mark completely.
Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
 
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My point is as stated in the Op . I'm not necessarily talking about 'repentence ' but the overall message is towards those Jews and its not a general message that we can apply today .
So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
 

throughfaith

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#45
Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
Only in Christian circles do we have this issue of reading. its because of orthodoxy and church doctrines that we think in overarching terms and dogma.
 

throughfaith

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So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
Can we agree that Peter s message is to Israel?
So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
We share Romans 10.9 and 1 cor 15.1-4 .
 

throughfaith

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So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
Its easy for us today by reading Paul's epistles which is to the Church, on what the Gospel is and how to appropriate salvation during the Church age . Acts 2 as one example amoung others is not it .
 

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So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
Acts 2 is a presentation to Israel to accept their messiah. Deliverance not eternal life is the focus . They have to DO something. This is contrasted by the response given in Acts 16.30 when it's asked " what must i do to be saved " . Thats not what THEY are asking in Acts 2 . Their repentance is not what is asked of Gentiles . Thats clear. Jesus is presented to Israel first then we see after 10 years the transition to the Gentiles in Acts 10 .
 
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Acts 2 is a presentation to Israel to accept their messiah. Deliverance not eternal life is the focus . They have to DO something. This is contrasted by the response given in Acts 16.30 when it's asked " what must i do to be saved " . Thats not what THEY are asking in Acts 2 . Their repentance is not what is asked of Gentiles . Thats clear. Jesus is presented to Israel first then we see after 10 years the transition to the Gentiles in Acts 10 .
You don't tell people they must repent?
 

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So what message do you share with people when you preach the Gospel. Can you give us an example of your presentation and we can compare it to what Peter said in Acts 2. Then we can know what you are saying about Acts 2 Peters message that is different than your message and we can judge if it lines up with the bible or not.
Acts 2.38 is not Romans 10.9
 

throughfaith

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You don't tell people they must repent?
Again your doing that churchy thing . Repent means to step back , break frame from what propositions your holding and consider the message .
 

throughfaith

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So the gospel that was given to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles was not given to the Jew first in Acts 2?
The Gospel is given to Paul to give to the gentiles . Gospel is " good news "
 
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Its easy for us today by reading Paul's epistles which is to the Church, on what the Gospel is and how to appropriate salvation during the Church age . Acts 2 as one example amoung others is not it .
Peter preached that Jews should repent.
Paul preached that Gentiles should repent. You agree?

So are you saying that Peter preached that the Jews should repent of something and that Paul said Gentiles should repent of something but each group was told to repent of something different than the other group?

Is that what you are saying?
 

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If Peter's gospel had differed from Paul's, according to Paul himself, Peter would have been accursed:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
 
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Again your doing that churchy thing . Repent means to step back , break frame from what propositions your holding and consider the message .
Concerning Paul...
but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.
 
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Again your doing that churchy thing . Repent means to step back , break frame from what propositions your holding and consider the message .
No repentance means to quit sinning and live righteously according to the revelation God has given.
 

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22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:.

We can see here that Peter is addressing Jews ( Israel) .


33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

36¶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Again we see ' ISRAEL '
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38¶Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So we see here the information is to Jews . They need to repent . They need to step back and away from their idea that Jesus was a criminal who deserved to die . Now they are being told he was their deliverer .
They are to repent of this specifically.
They ask ' what must we DO ' , so eternal salvation is not in view here like it is in Acts 16.30 . Rather to Israel ,deliverence from their enemies by their messiah is the focus. Hence " what must we do "
This makes sense given now thier messiah was crucified , buried , rose again and was now seated at the right hand of the Father.

Thoughts?
These scriptures does not have reference to the nation of Israel, but to Jacob, as Israel, (the elect) which includes every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. These Jews that were pricked in their heart were regenerated children of God, who have had their heart changed from a heart of stone, to a fleshy heart that can be pricked by their guilty conscience. In contrast, the Jews that heard Steven preach the same sermon, were "cut to the heart', and instead of asking "what must we do", they stoned Steven to death.
 
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#59
Give us an example of how you would present the Gospel to someone today who would ask you "what must I do to be saved" And be honest, because I know you would tell them more than one short sentence and then walk away and leave them to figure out what you said so don't do that with your reply. Give a complete answer as if I was unchurched and wanted to know what to do.
 

ForestGreenCook

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So we ignore the details and context? Just generalise everything ? Can we just randomly apply all verses to mean the same in all situations?
No, we must rightly divide to make all scriptures to harmonize, with no contradictions.