10 Concise Reasons to Remember the Sabbath
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earning wages and maintaining a production quota is indeed a burden; a gift is not 
Abraham drove away the carrion, but he did not pass through the parts.
Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor, for if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to the one who falls when there is not another to lift him up. Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one be warm? And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three is not quickly torn apart.
(Ecclesiastes 4:9-12)
(Ecclesiastes 4:9-12)
Abraham drove away the carrion, but he did not pass through the parts.
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On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, He was named Jesus, the name the angel had given Him before He was conceived.
(Luke 2:21)
you know, I read no matter what you present, no matter what scripture, any ole 'excuse' will do for an objection to what non-Sabbatarians may offer from actual scripture
now that sounds biased, but this thread proves it true
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earning wages and maintaining a production quota is indeed a burden; a gift is not
Abraham drove away the carrion, but he did not pass through the parts.
Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor, for if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to the one who falls when there is not another to lift him up. Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one be warm? And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three is not quickly torn apart.
(Ecclesiastes 4:9-12)
Abraham drove away the carrion, but he did not pass through the parts.
interesting about driving away the carrion
is it stretching things to apply that spiritually?
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They do.
Luke 2 - The circumcision of Jesus/Yeshua /Immanuel/
Acts 16:1-3 Paul came also to Derbe and Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
Have you studied why Paul refused Titus circumcision? Galatians 2:3-5.
Luke 2 - The circumcision of Jesus/Yeshua /Immanuel/
Acts 16:1-3 Paul came also to Derbe and Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
Have you studied why Paul refused Titus circumcision? Galatians 2:3-5.
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yes very interesting!!
I think we have to put it together with Rizpah in 2 Samuel 21, but you'll have to understand who the Gibeonites are, and together with Deuteronomy 28:26, in the curse of the Law, and look for the pictures of Christ
how His body was kept from corruption when He became a ransom for many.. the Gibeonites - Gentiles protected by God in service in His temple, who were once betrayed through circumcision and then who tricked Israel with disguise after the second circumcision of the nation, gaining a redemption called a curse - could have demanded a life for a life by Law, but they refused silver and instead put a seven of sons before God. once David also put the bones together God forswore judgement.
Abraham is preventing devoted things from being corrupted or carried away, things involved in the sealing of a promise of blessing. not unlike the earth swallowing the water out of the dragons mouth in Revelation 12:16, or Nicodemus ((the pharisee!)) and Joseph taking and wrapping the body of Christ, or Christ Himself rebuking the wind and waves..
we can get carried away, but as long as we are finding God's salvation through Christ in these things, we can go on infinitely deeply and be on the right path. there is one who will drive the birds away for us
'carried away' is I think when we try to make applications without seeing Jesus in the texts, and contradicting the message of grace through faith apart from works. it's about the mystery hidden in here, Jesus living in us, dying to rise again setting us free and conquering death. if we don't land there, we're carried away. if we land in Him, how is it possible to be carried off!?
I think we have to put it together with Rizpah in 2 Samuel 21, but you'll have to understand who the Gibeonites are, and together with Deuteronomy 28:26, in the curse of the Law, and look for the pictures of Christ
how His body was kept from corruption when He became a ransom for many.. the Gibeonites - Gentiles protected by God in service in His temple, who were once betrayed through circumcision and then who tricked Israel with disguise after the second circumcision of the nation, gaining a redemption called a curse - could have demanded a life for a life by Law, but they refused silver and instead put a seven of sons before God. once David also put the bones together God forswore judgement.
Abraham is preventing devoted things from being corrupted or carried away, things involved in the sealing of a promise of blessing. not unlike the earth swallowing the water out of the dragons mouth in Revelation 12:16, or Nicodemus ((the pharisee!)) and Joseph taking and wrapping the body of Christ, or Christ Himself rebuking the wind and waves..
we can get carried away, but as long as we are finding God's salvation through Christ in these things, we can go on infinitely deeply and be on the right path. there is one who will drive the birds away for us
'carried away' is I think when we try to make applications without seeing Jesus in the texts, and contradicting the message of grace through faith apart from works. it's about the mystery hidden in here, Jesus living in us, dying to rise again setting us free and conquering death. if we don't land there, we're carried away. if we land in Him, how is it possible to be carried off!?
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yes very interesting!!
I think we have to put it together with Rizpah in 2 Samuel 21, but you'll have to understand who the Gibeonites are, and together with Deuteronomy 28:26, in the curse of the Law, and look for the pictures of Christ
how His body was kept from corruption when He became a ransom for many.. the Gibeonites - Gentiles protected by God in service in His temple, who were once betrayed through circumcision and then who tricked Israel with disguise after the second circumcision of the nation, gaining a redemption called a curse - could have demanded a life for a life by Law, but they refused silver and instead put a seven of sons before God. once David also put the bones together God forswore judgement.
Abraham is preventing devoted things from being corrupted or carried away, things involved in the sealing of a promise of blessing. not unlike the earth swallowing the water out of the dragons mouth in Revelation 12:16, or Nicodemus ((the pharisee!)) and Joseph taking and wrapping the body of Christ, or Christ Himself rebuking the wind and waves..
we can get carried away, but as long as we are finding God's salvation through Christ in these things, we can go on infinitely deeply and be on the right path. there is one who will drive the birds away for us
'carried away' is I think when we try to make applications without seeing Jesus in the texts, and contradicting the message of grace through faith apart from works. it's about the mystery hidden in here, Jesus living in us, dying to rise again setting us free and conquering death. if we don't land there, we're carried away. if we land in Him, how is it possible to be carried off!?
I think we have to put it together with Rizpah in 2 Samuel 21, but you'll have to understand who the Gibeonites are, and together with Deuteronomy 28:26, in the curse of the Law, and look for the pictures of Christ
how His body was kept from corruption when He became a ransom for many.. the Gibeonites - Gentiles protected by God in service in His temple, who were once betrayed through circumcision and then who tricked Israel with disguise after the second circumcision of the nation, gaining a redemption called a curse - could have demanded a life for a life by Law, but they refused silver and instead put a seven of sons before God. once David also put the bones together God forswore judgement.
Abraham is preventing devoted things from being corrupted or carried away, things involved in the sealing of a promise of blessing. not unlike the earth swallowing the water out of the dragons mouth in Revelation 12:16, or Nicodemus ((the pharisee!)) and Joseph taking and wrapping the body of Christ, or Christ Himself rebuking the wind and waves..
we can get carried away, but as long as we are finding God's salvation through Christ in these things, we can go on infinitely deeply and be on the right path. there is one who will drive the birds away for us
'carried away' is I think when we try to make applications without seeing Jesus in the texts, and contradicting the message of grace through faith apart from works. it's about the mystery hidden in here, Jesus living in us, dying to rise again setting us free and conquering death. if we don't land there, we're carried away. if we land in Him, how is it possible to be carried off!?
I understand what you are saying. and I totally agree with regards to being on the right path and contradicting what we call the gospel and ending up, as so well illustrated in this thread, of making what is not an obligation INTO an obligation and determining it is underscoring salvation and without the observance, salvation is in question.
with regards to Abraham chasing away the carrion, I saw it as the dead things that want to attach to the live or living things...in this case the covenant, but in the larger picture, getting rid of the 'dead' attachments to the gospel, the grace of God through Jesus Christ.
Paul talks about laying aside all the weights and realizing there are witnesses of our walk (Hebrews 12:1)
these additives to grace should be laid aside. they are a hindrance to growth in Christ and a terrible example of what the gospel actually is
they are, actually, no more or less, the leaven of the Pharisees
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I don't believe in the Mainstream Preaching that God places heavy burdens on people, then kills them when they don't follow them, so that Jesus had to come to free us from His Father's unjust, unreasonable Commandments.
Deception is a burden, spiritual death is a burden, blindness is a burden. But the "Good" "Just" and "Holy" Commandments of God are not, at least according to the Bible. I think many are deceived by the Preaching that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by following God's Burdensome Laws. If a man rejects the other voices out there and just listens to Jesus, He tells us who placed the burdens on the people, and it wasn't His Father.
Matt. 23:4 For they ( Pharisees, (Mainstream Preachers of His time, Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
And again:
Matt. 15
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God)
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Just like using Romans 2 to say what it doesn't, which is that God holds a different standard for one DNA over another, when Paul clearly says and demonstrates that God is no respecter of persons.
This goes along with the unbiblical teaching that the Sabbaths belongs to the Jews when Jesus, as the Word, clearly says the Sabbaths are HIS, not man's.
Jesus said HIS Sabbath was created for man. I know "many" who come in Christ's name, who preach the Sabbath was not made for man, but is a burden that Jesus freed us from. He does not teach this, as a Man, nor as the Word of God.
Deception is a burden, spiritual death is a burden, blindness is a burden. But the "Good" "Just" and "Holy" Commandments of God are not, at least according to the Bible. I think many are deceived by the Preaching that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by following God's Burdensome Laws. If a man rejects the other voices out there and just listens to Jesus, He tells us who placed the burdens on the people, and it wasn't His Father.
Matt. 23:4 For they ( Pharisees, (Mainstream Preachers of His time, Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
And again:
Matt. 15
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God)
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Just like using Romans 2 to say what it doesn't, which is that God holds a different standard for one DNA over another, when Paul clearly says and demonstrates that God is no respecter of persons.
This goes along with the unbiblical teaching that the Sabbaths belongs to the Jews when Jesus, as the Word, clearly says the Sabbaths are HIS, not man's.
Jesus said HIS Sabbath was created for man. I know "many" who come in Christ's name, who preach the Sabbath was not made for man, but is a burden that Jesus freed us from. He does not teach this, as a Man, nor as the Word of God.
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There are some who believe the Spirit of Christ does not move people to preach things about God's Word that is not true. They are moved by a spirit no doubt, just not the Spirit of Christ. They think they are, they believe they are, but Jesus said no lie is of the truth.
So when a man preaches things like "the Pharisees were trying to please God or "earn" Salvation by following His Commandments", when they preach things like "Gods Laws are a burden that Jesus freed us from", when they imply that heathen high days, or religious high days of man and the "Feasts of the Lord" are no different, that they are all "Rudiments of the World", then we know these teachers are moved by "Another spirit" and not the Spirit of Christ, because Jesus never, nor would ever, inspire man to preach these things.
The practice of posting a scripture, then preaching that this scripture makes void many of the Word's of the Word which became Flesh is a common practice in mainstream Religions of the world, but is deceptive in nature, and does not reflect the perfection that is the God of the Bible.
Every Catholic, every religion that recognizes Jesus as the Son of God believes they are on the right Path. But Jesus said "many" who call Him Lord, Lord are not on the right Path. Are these "many" those who honor and respect God by following His instructions over the religious traditions of man, as did Abraham, Caleb, Paul and Zechariahs? Or are they the folks that call God "Lord, Lord" but refuse to walk in the "works" God before ordained that we should walk in, like Eve and Cain and the Pharisees?
A legitimate question.
It needs to be said again. Not a person in this thread has stated nor implied the Sabbath day is an obligation for a Christian. Nor for them to remain saved. What has been said in this thread is that Jesus did not abolish the Sabbath that was in the beginning and unto now created for us by God.
That argument that claims, you're not to honor the sabbath! Is the obligation argument. It insists you cannot honor the Sabbath and be Christian. That there are untold numbers of persons in the world today that do honor the Sabbath as Christians refutes such opinions. The Apostle John honored the Sabbath in Revelation 1. Jesus had returned to the father and John honored the Sabbath still.
John was what we'd call a Christian.
When the Christian who honors the Sabbath meets God , God will not condemn them for their day of rest. One wonders though if he'll have something to say to those Christians who did condemn that sister or brother who did condemn a fellow Christian for honoring the Sabbath? Taking a day from the world and growing in the word of the Word. It is a relationship after all.
When Jesus recognized the Sabbath, and even the disciples after he was crucified scheduled their labors concerning preparing his body for the tomb and around that Sabbath calendar, who's right here? Those who condemn the Sabbath? Or those who recognize what Jesus said about it after they are aware Jesus , Yeshua, Immanuel, said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle will be struck from God's law until all is fulfilled.
Not all has been fulfilled.
People who honor the Sabbath aren't to be looked at as odd. People who condemn people who honor the Sabbath yet attend church on Sunday are. What do they think Sunday worship is? To condemn Sabbath worship makes no sense.
That argument that claims, you're not to honor the sabbath! Is the obligation argument. It insists you cannot honor the Sabbath and be Christian. That there are untold numbers of persons in the world today that do honor the Sabbath as Christians refutes such opinions. The Apostle John honored the Sabbath in Revelation 1. Jesus had returned to the father and John honored the Sabbath still.
John was what we'd call a Christian.
When the Christian who honors the Sabbath meets God , God will not condemn them for their day of rest. One wonders though if he'll have something to say to those Christians who did condemn that sister or brother who did condemn a fellow Christian for honoring the Sabbath? Taking a day from the world and growing in the word of the Word. It is a relationship after all.
When Jesus recognized the Sabbath, and even the disciples after he was crucified scheduled their labors concerning preparing his body for the tomb and around that Sabbath calendar, who's right here? Those who condemn the Sabbath? Or those who recognize what Jesus said about it after they are aware Jesus , Yeshua, Immanuel, said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle will be struck from God's law until all is fulfilled.
Not all has been fulfilled.
People who honor the Sabbath aren't to be looked at as odd. People who condemn people who honor the Sabbath yet attend church on Sunday are. What do they think Sunday worship is? To condemn Sabbath worship makes no sense.
Genesis 2:2And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
3. blessed and sanctified the seventh day—a peculiar distinction put upon it above the other six days, and showing it was devoted to sacred purposes. The institution of the Sabbath is as old as creation, giving rise to that weekly division of time which prevailed in the earliest ages. It is a wise and beneficent law, affording that regular interval of rest which the physical nature of man and the animals employed in his service requires, and the neglect of which brings both to premature decay. Moreover, it secures an appointed season for religious worship, and if it was necessary in a state of primeval innocence, how much more so now, when mankind has a strong tendency to forget God and His claims?
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
3. blessed and sanctified the seventh day—a peculiar distinction put upon it above the other six days, and showing it was devoted to sacred purposes. The institution of the Sabbath is as old as creation, giving rise to that weekly division of time which prevailed in the earliest ages. It is a wise and beneficent law, affording that regular interval of rest which the physical nature of man and the animals employed in his service requires, and the neglect of which brings both to premature decay. Moreover, it secures an appointed season for religious worship, and if it was necessary in a state of primeval innocence, how much more so now, when mankind has a strong tendency to forget God and His claims?
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Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble,
and He brought them out of their distress!
He stilled the storm to a whisper;
the waves of the sea were hushed.
They were glad when it grew calm,
and He guided them to their desired haven.
Let them give thanks to the Lord for His unfailing love
and His wonderful deeds for mankind!
(Psalm 107:28-31)
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and in conjunction with that, I posted 107:20 couple of days ago...in another thread
He sent His word and healed them of all their destructions.
can take that 2 different ways I'm thinking
we don't need people doing mashups and combining covenants to give more meaning to people's lives
we have all the meaning we already need with the Holy Spirit to make it all real to us
He sent His word and healed them of all their destructions.
can take that 2 different ways I'm thinking
we don't need people doing mashups and combining covenants to give more meaning to people's lives
we have all the meaning we already need with the Holy Spirit to make it all real to us
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I'm not sure, Biblically Speaking, how we are "combining covenants". How are the following scriptures making God's Instructions void, specifically His Sabbath? How can you take the Word which became Flesh's Promise to write His Laws on our hearts, as a signal to reject His instructions?
I get that His Promise signals the end of the Word of God filtered through Levite Priests and scribes, and I get the promise of the Christ to forgive our sins Him self, apart from the Levitical priesthood animal sacrifices and "works of the Law" for atonement of sins.
But I never understood how religious man uses this promise of a new covenant to eliminate or alter God's Perfect Instructions.
Psalms 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. (Abraham and Moses)
21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Jer. 31:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I'm sure the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time also truly believed they had all they needed as well. They hated when Jesus questioned their religious doctrines and traditions that they had been following for centuries. Not knowing that it was through this "Love" that He hoped they would change their mind and turn to the God of the Bible, and away from the images of God and doctrines of man they had created from their own mind.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I get that His Promise signals the end of the Word of God filtered through Levite Priests and scribes, and I get the promise of the Christ to forgive our sins Him self, apart from the Levitical priesthood animal sacrifices and "works of the Law" for atonement of sins.
But I never understood how religious man uses this promise of a new covenant to eliminate or alter God's Perfect Instructions.
Psalms 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. (Abraham and Moses)
21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Jer. 31:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I'm sure the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time also truly believed they had all they needed as well. They hated when Jesus questioned their religious doctrines and traditions that they had been following for centuries. Not knowing that it was through this "Love" that He hoped they would change their mind and turn to the God of the Bible, and away from the images of God and doctrines of man they had created from their own mind.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I think it dishonest to accuse of rejecting His instructions a person who is rejoicing that the Spirit reveals the reality of what were formerly only shadows.
recall what you say when someone asks you why physical circumcision - another commanded sign of a covenant - is no longer commanded in the new covenant? you say the intent was always spiritual, despite the clear command to be physically observed.
obvious question: is the intent of the covenant sign of sabbath observance carnal or spiritual?
recall what you say when someone asks you why physical circumcision - another commanded sign of a covenant - is no longer commanded in the new covenant? you say the intent was always spiritual, despite the clear command to be physically observed.
obvious question: is the intent of the covenant sign of sabbath observance carnal or spiritual?
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thanks Post
I had to unblock ignored content to see what you were replying to
I'm not dealing with the lies and false accusations these Sabbatarians dish out and told them so a number of posts back
I would rather just concentrate on what is true but I appreciate your response
no worries...it's their loss
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Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Is 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Jesus didn't say He was Lord of the foreskin. He said He was Lord of the Sabbath.
Jesus didn't say cutting off your foreskin was for man. But He did say the Sabbath was made for man.
Duet 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Is 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Jesus didn't say He was Lord of the foreskin. He said He was Lord of the Sabbath.
Jesus didn't say cutting off your foreskin was for man. But He did say the Sabbath was made for man.
Duet 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
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