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[posthuman]

So what’s the difference between a post spiritual body and a pre spiritual body?

this isn't the language purplelady used, and it's not the meaning she meant.

our bodies presently are subject to death because of sin. our very same bodies when resurrected will be free of sin, incorruptible. that is the 'changed' - having no more the effect in them that sin introduced to the whole physical creation.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus Christ addressed this fallacy when the saducees, who did not believe in physical resurrection

That is why they were sad, you see .

John 11:25-26

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

What was man before he was in the flesh?
Angels are spirits, and so is man, the separation comes from one being in the flesh.
This is why at death the body returns the dirt but the spirit returns to God….
The Bible clearly states we will be as angels.

Simply put we have two bodies, we began in spiritual ones; angels, stars, beings of light. Etc.
Then we were placed in the flesh, (natural body) as Jesus was being a little lower than the angels.
When we die, we put away the flesh and take on our spiritual bodies as before.

So what were we before the world? If not souls in a spiritual body aka angels?

hell truthnightmare i have added comments in your text in blue;

What was man before he was in the flesh? in my opinion only God knows, I think there is aome scripture on this but I cant remember,
Angels are spirits, and so is man, the separation comes from one being in the flesh. I agree
This is why at death the body returns the dirt but the spirit returns to God…. I agree
The Bible clearly states we will be as angels. Being as angels does not mean we will be angels it means we will be spirit like angels

Simply put we have two bodies, we began in spiritual ones; angels, stars, beings of light. Etc. I do not agree, do you have clear scripture on this?
Then we were placed in the flesh, (natural body) as Jesus was being a little lower than the angels. Scripture?
When we die, we put away the flesh and take on our spiritual bodies as before. scripture?

So what were we before the world? If not souls in a spiritual body aka angels? IMO we were simply not created yet.

Blessings

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I have an image I would to present, to further explain my position. However it seems I cannot attach the file..
It is a footprint impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed into is conservatively dated at 10 million years old, the University of New Mexico dates the rock formation in which the footprint is indented into back to 50 million years ago.

This current earth age that we live in is approximately 14,000 years old. But there was an age before this one that spans back billions of years. But it is still the same earth. The first earth age is when the dinosaurs lived and we were in spiritual incorruptible bodies. These spiritual bodies have the same shape and mass of our flesh bodies but they do not age, nor become sick, nor die - unless God takes them as He did at the end of that first earth age when satan revolted and led one-third of God's children (us) against Him. When God took these spiritual bodies from off the earth and destroyed that first earth age there were no flesh bodies to remain. However, there were animal bodies, i.e., Dinosaurs.... But the spiritual bodies of 'us' were not left to rot and corrupt in the grave. As stated, the spiritual body can only be destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14) (Hell). that is why while archaeologists do find tools and remains of settlements, they do not find any human remains beyond, say, 14,000 years ago.

my replies in red ( easier to read below)

I have an image I would to present, to further explain my position. However it seems I cannot attach the file..
It is a footprint impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed into is conservatively dated at 10 million years old, the University of New Mexico dates the rock formation in which the footprint is indented into back to 50 million years ago. so? what could it mean, to me ot could be a spirit or angel from the lord who has taken solid form.

This current earth age that we live in is approximately 14,000 years old. ( where did you get this number?) But there was an age before this one that spans back billions of years. But it is still the same earth. The first earth age is when the dinosaurs lived and we were in spiritual incorruptible bodies. Where did you get this from? These spiritual bodies have the same shape and mass of our flesh bodies Where did you get this from? but they do not age, nor become sick, nor die - unless God takes them as He did at the end of that first earth age when satan revolted and led one-third of God's children (us) against Him. When God took these spiritual bodies from off the earth and destroyed that first earth age there were no flesh bodies to remain. However, there were animal bodies, i.e., Dinosaurs.... But the spiritual bodies of 'us' were not left to rot and corrupt in the grave. As stated, the spiritual body can only be destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14) (Hell). that is why while archaeologists do find tools and remains of settlements, they do not find any human remains beyond, say, 14,000 years ago.

 

[ewq1938]

Can you give me an example of flesh entering the current heaven?

John (Revelation) was in heaven, he wrote in a book and brought it back with him. It wasn't just a dream. Enoch and Elijah both went to heaven without dying. Paul spoke of someone who went to the 3rd heaven.

And if you can, shall we just dismiss Ecclesiastes 12:7?
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it”

It's not relevant to this discussion is that is what happens when people die.

Paul confirmed this…
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

But you say you can be present with the Lord while being in the body.

Both cannot be correct.

Of course both are correct. If you die, the spirit goes to heaven. God can bring living people to heaven, and did.

 

[Evmur]

John (Revelation) was in heaven, he wrote in a book and brought it back with him. It wasn't just a dream. Enoch and Elijah both went to heaven without dying. Paul spoke of someone who went to the 3rd heaven.





It's not relevant to this discussion is that is what happens when people die.





Of course both are correct. If you die, the spirit goes to heaven. God can bring living people to heaven, and did.

If Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses of Revelations they will die

 

[Truthnightmare]

What Mark 12:25 clarifies is that we will be as angels in that we will neither marry nor be given in marriage.

Philippians 3:20-21 Our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by
the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.

1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

Heavenly angels do not allow men to worship them. Jesus, however, did.

Angels did not create the universe and give it life. Jesus did.

Have you not
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth

hell truthnightmare i have added comments in your text in blue;

What was man before he was in the flesh? in my opinion only God knows, I think there is aome scripture on this but I cant remember,
Angels are spirits, and so is man, the separation comes from one being in the flesh. I agree
This is why at death the body returns the dirt but the spirit returns to God…. I agree
The Bible clearly states we will be as angels. Being as angels does not mean we will be angels it means we will be spirit like angels

Simply put we have two bodies, we began in spiritual ones; angels, stars, beings of light. Etc. I do not agree, do you have clear scripture on this?
Then we were placed in the flesh, (natural body) as Jesus was being a little lower than the angels. Scripture?
When we die, we put away the flesh and take on our spiritual bodies as before. scripture?

So what were we before the world? If not souls in a spiritual body aka angels? IMO we were simply not created yet.

Blessings

Let me redirect for a moment.

Do you understand Christ is the tree of life?
and Lucifer was the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Do you understand that God is also by description a tree?

Ephraim shall say, ‘What have I to do any more with idols?’ I have heard him, and observed him; I am like a green fir tree. From Me is thy fruit found.”

Do you understand what’s going on here?

Mark 8:24 "And he looked up, and "I see men as trees, walking."

So I ask you now, who were the trees in Eden that envied one special tree?

8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

If you do not have answers to these questions? there is no way you truly understand my position concerning angels and men.

 

[ewq1938]

If Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses of Revelations they will die

We are talking about flesh humans being able to visit heaven or not.

 

[Magenta]

Have you not
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth

Eh???

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed​

dating given by Pastor (A fine Christian Minister) of another Ministry on TV to whom we give credit and thanks for bringing this remarkable discovery to the attention of Bible Believing Christians.

On that note, another Ministry on TV has a documentary VHS tape about the footprint filmed on-site in N.M. which has been instrumental in bringing this current study to you. You may purchase the VHS Tape directly from the Shepherds Chapel by calling (501) 787-6026, the tape is item #100.82 DOC-32, A Step In Time, the price is $25.00 (not counting postage).

Now we must address the caption in the picture at left, for surely it must be confounding many Christians who have not been taught that there were to be three earth ages in the plan of God. The age that we live in now is one, the eternity (Heaven) which is another age, but there was an age even before our present one. That age is called the first earth age. There are three ages written of in the Bible (2 Pet 3:5-13 (covered below)& Jer 4:23-27). Understanding this would clear up many confusing passages in the Bible that speak of the three earth ages, not three different earths or worlds, but three different world ages. Example: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" (Heb 11:3). See also (Heb 1:2). A useful study on the matter is at: WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING.



Can you give me an example of flesh entering the current heaven?
And if you can, shall we just dismiss Ecclesiastes 12:7?
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it”

Paul confirmed this…
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

But you say you can be present with the Lord while being in the body.

Both cannot be correct.

Hello, Sorry for before I forgot the o In Hello, on a previous post..lol.

I have followed the link:: WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING. It is a mix is truth and pure speculation. I urge you to disregard most of it, Spiritual things are not understood correctly by lack of information Jesus said in john ;

Joh 3:11 Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.

We simply do not have enough information on these subjects, Trying to analyze all this just creates more confusion. it is not really proper in these conditions to debate on spiritual beings and earth ages but interesting nonetheless.


Blessings

 

[Magenta]

Hello, Sorry for before I forgot the o In Hello, on a previous post..lol.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Have you not
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth


Let me redirect for a moment.

Do you understand Christ is the tree of life?
and Lucifer was the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Do you understand that God is also by description a tree?

Ephraim shall say, ‘What have I to do any more with idols?’ I have heard him, and observed him; I am like a green fir tree. From Me is thy fruit found.”

Do you understand what’s going on here?

Mark 8:24 "And he looked up, and "I see men as trees, walking."

So I ask you now, who were the trees in Eden that envied one special tree?

8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

If you do not have answers to these questions? there is no way you truly understand my position concerning angels and men.

We are talking about flesh humans being able to visit heaven or not.

we are talking about a big mix of different things, this thread was derailed in so many directions I lost track. confused yet?...LOL

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I am done with this thread, see you guys later, have a good evening.

Blessings to you all.

 

[Cameron143]

Hello, Sorry for before I forgot the o In Hello, on a previous post..lol.

I have followed the link:: WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING. It is a mix is truth and pure speculation. I urge you to disregard most of it, Spiritual things are not understood correctly by lack of information Jesus said in john ;

Joh 3:11 Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.

We simply do not have enough information on these subjects, Trying to analyze all this just creates more confusion. it is not really proper in these conditions to debate on spiritual beings and earth ages but interesting nonetheless.


Blessings

I thought it was for emphasis.

 

[Cameron143]

we are talking about a big mix of different things, this thread was derailed in so many directions I lost track. confused yet?...LOL

This is what is called...your average thread.

 

[Magenta]

we were angels before we were in the flesh. And when this age is over we will shed flesh and become angels once again.

Many times we here arguments that we have heard before thus we are prepared for them.

I have been online as a Christian doing apologetics for almost sixteen years, and I don't think
I ever heard what you are proposing here: that men were spiritual beings before being born, more
specifically, angels, and shall again be angels following the resurrection of all at the end of this age.
At least, not from another Christian. Whoever taught you this was a false teacher. It certainly is not Biblical.

 

[posthuman]

Oh, hades, no!

 

[posthuman]

Oh, hades, no!

sorry, misspelled "drat"

 

[posthuman]

At least, not from another Christian.

im sure I've heard it but not in any serious sense that someone thought it was legitimate Biblical interpretation

 

[Magenta]

im sure I've heard it but not in any serious sense that someone thought it was legitimate Biblical interpretation

I wonder what @montana123 would have to say about this belief; it sure looks very "new age" to me.

And also seems to deny the Deity of Christ, to make Him a created being, an angel.