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This level of error is ... titanic. @Cameron143 ? What say you? And @posthuman ? 
There’s a lot of really smart people on here, so I have no problem being wrong and adjusting my position… that will help me.
And if you have to dig a little to prove me wrong that helps you.
Romans 2:21
Thou therefore who teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?
Well… got some college football to catch upon… I appreciate the conversations from you all.
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It is not a question of being right or wrong. Scripture says God created man in his image, nowhere it says this about angels, we were not angels before being men we are a different creature with a different purpose to be revealed later. Read john full chapter 17 to find out what will become of man ( some but not all). We can be sons and daughters of GOD we have this potential. I believe we will be spiritual eternal beings like the Lord, Jesus, was the First born.
Blessings.
Blessings.
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What was man before he was in the flesh?
Angels are spirits, and so is man, the separation comes from one being in the flesh.
This is why at death the body returns the dirt but the spirit returns to God….
The Bible clearly states we will be as angels.
Simply put we have two bodies, we began in spiritual ones; angels, stars, beings of light. Etc.
Then we were placed in the flesh, (natural body) as Jesus was being a little lower than the angels.
When we die, we put away the flesh and take on our spiritual bodies as before.
So what were we before the world? If not souls in a spiritual body aka angels?
Angels are spirits, and so is man, the separation comes from one being in the flesh.
This is why at death the body returns the dirt but the spirit returns to God….
The Bible clearly states we will be as angels.
Simply put we have two bodies, we began in spiritual ones; angels, stars, beings of light. Etc.
Then we were placed in the flesh, (natural body) as Jesus was being a little lower than the angels.
When we die, we put away the flesh and take on our spiritual bodies as before.
So what were we before the world? If not souls in a spiritual body aka angels?
I have an image I would to present, to further explain my position. However it seems I cannot attach the file..
It is a footprint impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed into is conservatively dated at 10 million years old, the University of New Mexico dates the rock formation in which the footprint is indented into back to 50 million years ago.
This current earth age that we live in is approximately 14,000 years old. But there was an age before this one that spans back billions of years. But it is still the same earth. The first earth age is when the dinosaurs lived and we were in spiritual incorruptible bodies. These spiritual bodies have the same shape and mass of our flesh bodies but they do not age, nor become sick, nor die - unless God takes them as He did at the end of that first earth age when satan revolted and led one-third of God's children (us) against Him. When God took these spiritual bodies from off the earth and destroyed that first earth age there were no flesh bodies to remain. However, there were animal bodies, i.e., Dinosaurs.... But the spiritual bodies of 'us' were not left to rot and corrupt in the grave. As stated, the spiritual body can only be destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14) (Hell). that is why while archaeologists do find tools and remains of settlements, they do not find any human remains beyond, say, 14,000 years ago.
It is a footprint impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed into is conservatively dated at 10 million years old, the University of New Mexico dates the rock formation in which the footprint is indented into back to 50 million years ago.
This current earth age that we live in is approximately 14,000 years old. But there was an age before this one that spans back billions of years. But it is still the same earth. The first earth age is when the dinosaurs lived and we were in spiritual incorruptible bodies. These spiritual bodies have the same shape and mass of our flesh bodies but they do not age, nor become sick, nor die - unless God takes them as He did at the end of that first earth age when satan revolted and led one-third of God's children (us) against Him. When God took these spiritual bodies from off the earth and destroyed that first earth age there were no flesh bodies to remain. However, there were animal bodies, i.e., Dinosaurs.... But the spiritual bodies of 'us' were not left to rot and corrupt in the grave. As stated, the spiritual body can only be destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14) (Hell). that is why while archaeologists do find tools and remains of settlements, they do not find any human remains beyond, say, 14,000 years ago.
The first earth age was inhabited by us, by our souls in a different form, there were no flesh bodies then. In that first earth age we all had spiritual bodies, in this earth age we have flesh bodies because we were created and formed from the dust of the earth. This is not reincarnation! Each soul can pass through each earth age only one time. For as it is written of our age: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27), no one is 'reincarnating' back in the flesh for second chances, there are no second chances.
When God destroyed that first earth age; the souls, the spiritual bodies, returned to the Father (God), just as we do when we die in this earth age. But spiritual bodies leave no organic remains. When we die today, only our organic remains (flesh and bone) remain to be buried. Our soul, our spiritual being or body so to speak, returns instantly to the Father that gave it: "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl 12:7).
In this present second earth age we have two bodies, one within the other, and they can only be separated by death: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" (1 Cor 15:44). But in the first earth age we only had the spiritual bodies. This isn't complicated to understand (although the corrupted end-time churches seem void of the knowledge) but you know that when someone dies today we bury their body, but their soul goes back to God that gave it. " Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl 12:7). It is this soul that will be judged either to Heaven or "Hell". But the deceased flesh that we bury simply rots back to the dirt and minerals that they are formed of, never to be used again.
Your spirit (your intellect) and your soul (your eternal self, the same 'you' in all three earth ages) will either live forever or will be consumed in the lake of fire (Hell). Just as you will never find or see any physical remains of someone's soul, or spiritual body; neither will you find physical remains of those spiritual bodies that inhabited the earth in the first earth age, God took them all back, and there was no flesh to remain, for they were not flesh.
In the first earth age, man (us) was in a spiritual body, but the animals were in flesh bodies which is why we find animal remains dated back to millions of years old, but no human remains older that 14,000 years old (approx). In this our present second earth age, man (us) are also in flesh bodies as the animals but we are different from them in that we also have our spiritual bodies, or souls if you would, inside giving identity, intellect, and life to the flesh 'tabernacle'. These flesh bodies are carnal and weak to the pleasures and desires of the world. God regretted that He had made 'man' flesh in this second earth age because our spiritual selves succumbed to the carnal desires, lusts, and temptations of the flesh body:
When God destroyed that first earth age; the souls, the spiritual bodies, returned to the Father (God), just as we do when we die in this earth age. But spiritual bodies leave no organic remains. When we die today, only our organic remains (flesh and bone) remain to be buried. Our soul, our spiritual being or body so to speak, returns instantly to the Father that gave it: "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl 12:7).
In this present second earth age we have two bodies, one within the other, and they can only be separated by death: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" (1 Cor 15:44). But in the first earth age we only had the spiritual bodies. This isn't complicated to understand (although the corrupted end-time churches seem void of the knowledge) but you know that when someone dies today we bury their body, but their soul goes back to God that gave it. " Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl 12:7). It is this soul that will be judged either to Heaven or "Hell". But the deceased flesh that we bury simply rots back to the dirt and minerals that they are formed of, never to be used again.
Your spirit (your intellect) and your soul (your eternal self, the same 'you' in all three earth ages) will either live forever or will be consumed in the lake of fire (Hell). Just as you will never find or see any physical remains of someone's soul, or spiritual body; neither will you find physical remains of those spiritual bodies that inhabited the earth in the first earth age, God took them all back, and there was no flesh to remain, for they were not flesh.
In the first earth age, man (us) was in a spiritual body, but the animals were in flesh bodies which is why we find animal remains dated back to millions of years old, but no human remains older that 14,000 years old (approx). In this our present second earth age, man (us) are also in flesh bodies as the animals but we are different from them in that we also have our spiritual bodies, or souls if you would, inside giving identity, intellect, and life to the flesh 'tabernacle'. These flesh bodies are carnal and weak to the pleasures and desires of the world. God regretted that He had made 'man' flesh in this second earth age because our spiritual selves succumbed to the carnal desires, lusts, and temptations of the flesh body:
Gen 6:3
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (KJV)
Gen 6:5-6
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (KJV)
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (KJV)
Gen 6:5-6
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (KJV)
Let us address a major stumbling block to the full understanding of this. many cannot comprehend how spiritual bodies can do things that flesh bodies can do. Well, for one, you must remember that our flesh body is in the image of our spiritual body. In other words, the spiritual body looks like the flesh body but it is not made of flesh. We know from [Gen chapter 6) that the fallen angels ("sons of God' (Gen 6:2)) were spiritual bodied angels, yet they were able to impregnate flesh women ("daughters of men" (Gen 6:2)). In that narrative (of Gen 6:2) you find the two natures of God's created peoples, one is called "sons of God" (spirit) and the other was called "daughters of men" (flesh); The angels are in spiritual bodies from God, the people now are in flesh bodies of mankind by reproduction, but they also have their spiritual body within them invisible in our second earth age. I understand that this is a deep topic for those who have only been taught the 'milk' of God's Word and not the 'meat' of it.
2 Pet 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Noah’s flood? NO! this speaks of Jeremiah.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. (No man)
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
2 Pet 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Noah’s flood? NO! this speaks of Jeremiah.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. (No man)
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Is it too large, or the wrong image file format? jpg, gif, and png are acceptable file extensions, and if it is too large you could probably resize it in Paint, which is available on most devices, unless you are on a phone, but even then there are edit options. Either way, a good work around is using an excellent image host like mine! postimages.org haha. Yes, I like it a lot for a number of reasons: no registration required, they do not limit viewing of your images due to band width usage, nor do they delete images (as photobucket does or used to on all three counts) if you are inactive on their site, although postimages gives you the option to delete as long as you save the link to do so, or do it before closing the upload page where all the coding info is given. You can also resize on upload to 640 pixels which is often large enough, and then they give a number of url link options, of which the direct link (the second line of links given) is the one I would recommend.
into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed
dating given by Pastor (A fine Christian Minister) of another Ministry on TV to whom we give credit and thanks for bringing this remarkable discovery to the attention of Bible Believing Christians.
On that note, another Ministry on TV has a documentary VHS tape about the footprint filmed on-site in N.M. which has been instrumental in bringing this current study to you. You may purchase the VHS Tape directly from the Shepherds Chapel by calling (501) 787-6026, the tape is item #100.82 DOC-32, A Step In Time, the price is $25.00 (not counting postage).
Now we must address the caption in the picture at left, for surely it must be confounding many Christians who have not been taught that there were to be three earth ages in the plan of God. The age that we live in now is one, the eternity (Heaven) which is another age, but there was an age even before our present one. That age is called the first earth age. There are three ages written of in the Bible (2 Pet 3:5-13 (covered below)& Jer 4:23-27). Understanding this would clear up many confusing passages in the Bible that speak of the three earth ages, not three different earths or worlds, but three different world ages. Example: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" (Heb 11:3). See also (Heb 1:2). A useful study on the matter is at: WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING.
Can you give me an example of flesh entering the current heaven?
And if you can, shall we just dismiss Ecclesiastes 12:7?
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it”
Paul confirmed this…
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
But you say you can be present with the Lord while being in the body.
Both cannot be correct.
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What Mark 12:25 clarifies is that we will be as angels in that we will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
Philippians 3:20-21 Our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by
the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
Heavenly angels do not allow men to worship them. Jesus, however, did.
Angels did not create the universe and give it life. Jesus did.
Philippians 3:20-21 Our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by
the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
Heavenly angels do not allow men to worship them. Jesus, however, did.
Angels did not create the universe and give it life. Jesus did.
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Why are you changing what I said? Pre resurrection our physical body returns to its elemental form,
known as the dust of the earth. Post resurrection, those who by grace through faith believe in the shed
righteous blood of Christ are reconciled to God and attain to life ever after, "putting on" the incorruptible.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
That heavenly MAN being Jesus Christ, NOT an angel.
known as the dust of the earth. Post resurrection, those who by grace through faith believe in the shed
righteous blood of Christ are reconciled to God and attain to life ever after, "putting on" the incorruptible.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
That heavenly MAN being Jesus Christ, NOT an angel.
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buy finish the quote in it's whole. context - I cited the same chapter to you earlier, wherein Paul, commencing the argument you clipped only the beginning of, says we don't, as dead souls, naked having left our earthly bodies, expect to remain naked souls but to be clothed.
hence physical resurrection, once again, see the example of the bodily risen and bodily ascended Christ who proved without question He did not simply rise as a Spirit but as a tangible body of flesh.
He ate a fish and some honey. case closed lol
hence physical resurrection, once again, see the example of the bodily risen and bodily ascended Christ who proved without question He did not simply rise as a Spirit but as a tangible body of flesh.
He ate a fish and some honey. case closed lol
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there are abundant early writings on the topic of physical resurrection - spirit-only afterlife was a central theme of gnosticism, perhaps the earliest of all heresies, and it was thoroughly and unanimously rejected by the church and the apostles themselves, the heresy being present during the same time they were writing the epistles and the book of Acts.
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even Jesus Christ addressed this fallacy when the saducees, who did not believe in physical resurrection, brought Him their thought experiment of a woman who had married 7 men legitimately in her life. they meant for it to be a contradiction showing how ridiculous the idea of physical resurrection is - but Jesus told them they were ignorant and that they didn't understand what they were commenting on.
He replied that in the resurrection there would not be marriage between people, just like the angels do not marry. that is not a comment on us becoming angels - it is a comment on whether angels marry and whether we will marry or be married when we are resurrected.
The other verse used to make the modern gnostic argument on this topic, saying flesh does not INHERIT the kingdom, is dismissed even easier - because the word is inherit, not enter. the topic of that quote is how to gain inheritance in the kingdom, and it comes through faith, which is a non-physical quality, not by works ((such as Law keeping)), which are explicitly physical qualities.
our works do not buy us a ticket into the kingdom. our faith is rewarded with entrance into it.
He replied that in the resurrection there would not be marriage between people, just like the angels do not marry. that is not a comment on us becoming angels - it is a comment on whether angels marry and whether we will marry or be married when we are resurrected.
The other verse used to make the modern gnostic argument on this topic, saying flesh does not INHERIT the kingdom, is dismissed even easier - because the word is inherit, not enter. the topic of that quote is how to gain inheritance in the kingdom, and it comes through faith, which is a non-physical quality, not by works ((such as Law keeping)), which are explicitly physical qualities.
our works do not buy us a ticket into the kingdom. our faith is rewarded with entrance into it.
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