Would Jesus drink Alcohol?
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Isn't it amazing how some people just grab onto an idea and no matter what proof you give them they just can not and will not let go of it? Reminds me of some Biden supporters? Ok, that was a cheap shot
Funny a week ago, Biden came to my home to visit me. I have lots of influnce over thousands of people in my area. He wanted me to endorse him. We discussed issues like Abortion and his plans when re-elected. We parted on friendly terms. He said, to call him when I have ideas. I told him an idea of putting drones in Schools and Colleges armed with knock out drats. And, how to trap a shooter between the double set of doors as one enters a building. Encase the area with bullet proof materials, arms detector that locks the doors and notifies the Police.Isn't it amazing how some people just grab onto an idea and no matter what proof you give them they just can not and will not let go of it? Reminds me of some Biden supporters? Ok, that was a cheap shot
Also, a message goes over the speakers for lock down. The drones are released. Some Teachers are armed too. He did not like armed Teachers but like the other ideas.
I am not pulling your leg. All the candidates visit me well before an Election.Ouch...hey knock it off...quit pulling my leg!
So, is there a different "level of fermentation" for the following, and what exactly
is "strong drink" (different from wine?) referring to?:
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever
is deceived thereby is not wise. " (Proverbs 20:1)
Seems like a very strong case of "new" wine being non-fermented and thefermented wine being the "mocker"?
Also, if I had never "taken that [being deceived?] first drink," I would
not have fallen into the disease(?) of alcoholism, eh?
Amen.
We were talking about what is allowed for the Passover.
Wine is fine. I know. We had it served for the Passover Seder when I was still living as a Jew.
You are now discussing the abuse of alcohol beverage which is another subject.
It is the nature of discussion to broaden. A consideration of a topic naturally provokes other related thoughts. For a people of grace, Christians are woefully lacking in it. Perhaps some will learn from your humility.Ok, I apologize, no more off-topic questions from me
Isn't it amazing how some people just grab onto an idea and no matter what proof you give them they just can not and will not let go of it? Reminds me of some Biden supporters? Ok, that was a cheap shot
Yes, it was (and is).
Just for your information...
I used to work for a Christian German chef who's brother ran a winery.
He told me that grapes can even begin fermenting while yet on the vine.
In warmer climates it would be very common for the grapes to be in its beginning stage of fermentation as the grapes are being crushed.
Medically, alcoholic red wine, when drank in moderation has been shown to have health benefits for the heart.
On the night of the Passover Seder? As a teen age boy I was expected to drink several glasses of (rabbi certified) red wine
as a part of the ritual.
To the ancient Jews red wine was seen as innocuous as a glass of Coca Cola is today.
One of the big obstacles I had with my Jewish father was his disdain for the legalism of Baptists in regards to alcoholic beverages. Thankfully, my pastor was no a legalist, and my father would enjoy listening to his recorded messages being taught from the Hebrew and Greek texts.
The Bible CONDEMNS getting drunk. Not simply enjoying a drink. That is where legalism become cruel, harsh, and dark.
hope that helps.... grace and peace.
Find out for yourself. If you find I am not gentle with others, please point it out to meExcluding yourself, of course!
You may be the number one most gracious person here...
And it would be difficult indeed to think of another contender for the #1 spot...
Perhaps @tourist ... though he does not engage in the hot button topics so much, surely not nearly as much as you do.
I'm assuming that Passover was celebrated in the Spring of the year in Jesus' time, like it is now?
In that case, the wine that Jesus drank at the Last Supper could not have been too awfully "new", because grapes are harvested in late Summer.
By my estimation, the "fruit of the vine" served at Passover would have had to be at least 6 months old, bare minimum. I don't see 1st Century grape juice making it that long unless it was fermented.
In that case, the wine that Jesus drank at the Last Supper could not have been too awfully "new", because grapes are harvested in late Summer.
By my estimation, the "fruit of the vine" served at Passover would have had to be at least 6 months old, bare minimum. I don't see 1st Century grape juice making it that long unless it was fermented.
I appreciate your kind words. God has been very gracious to me.
God has been very gracious to all of us .
. But as you said, For a people of grace, Christians are woefully lacking in it.
Would that we could all follow your example...
Praise the Lord
