Works

[Blik]

But your trying to put people under It . You don't understand its purpose .

Do you think that when the Lord told us we were not under the law, what the Lord was saying was for us not to listen to Him? That is NOT what this means.

If we were under the law, then we would need to obey all the law to be saved, we would be under the law for salvation. We are not, we are under grace for salvation. It is a terrible thing to do to scripture to change "not under law" into "ignore the law". That is not what it is saying to us.

 

[throughfaith]

Do you think that when the Lord told us we were not under the law, what the Lord was saying was for us not to listen to Him? That is NOT what this means.

If we were under the law, then we would need to obey all the law to be saved, we would be under the law for salvation. We are not, we are under grace for salvation. It is a terrible thing to do to scripture to change "not under law" into "ignore the law". That is not what it is saying to us.

Its you that's taking that extreme "
"not under law" into "ignore the law "
I don't 'ignore 'scriptures that mention the law . But a believer is still not UNDER the law ,in any sense.

 

[Dino246]

It is a terrible thing to do to scripture to change "not under law" into "ignore the law". That is not what it is saying to us.

That is also not what anyone else is saying. However, that is what you continually claim that others are saying. Of course, actually understanding what others have been telling you would require you admitting that you are wrong.

 

[crossnote]

It is wonderful that you know you can't be justified by the law, but a crying shame your learning of the law stops there.

Back to assuming things I see.

 

[crossnote]

hi crossnote.. its a matter of obeying the law for christians. The person who keeps the law is God. God is the law keeper. God keeps the law and preaches the law. its up to us to obey the law.

if we obey the law we also keep the law. but the law does not belong to us the law belongs to God. Now the works of the law are different to keeping the law.

A violation of the law is to break the law. then we would not be obeying the law. and then we wouldnt be keepers of the law.

The works of the law which christian are asked to do are holy.

holy holy holy

De-em, Backing up your assertions with Scripture would help greatly, otherwise it ends up appearing you are making this stuff up.

From Rom 7...

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (see fruit doesn't come by keeping the law)
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom 7:4, 9, 22, 23, 24)

1 Corinthians 15:56 (NASB) The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;

 

[Dino246]

Back to assuming things I see.

Back to...? You mean she stopped?

 

[throughfaith]

Do you think that when the Lord told us we were not under the law, what the Lord was saying was for us not to listen to Him? That is NOT what this means.

If we were under the law, then we would need to obey all the law to be saved, we would be under the law for salvation. We are not, we are under grace for salvation. It is a terrible thing to do to scripture to change "not under law" into "ignore the law". That is not what it is saying to us.

Gal 3
¶Wherefore then serveth the law? it was added BECAUSE of transgressions , TILL the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21¶Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which COULD HAVE given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

 

[Jackson123]

Most of the salvation scriptures are referencing the deliverance that the born again child of God receives here on earth by their good works.

Deliverance also may mean deliverance from bad work like killing, robing etc to work in the McDonald
Good work as the manifestation of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit will deliver us from hate to love our enemies.

We can't separate Holy Spirit from good work

 

[Evmur]

This post is about blessing obedience to law can bring. Being that obedience to law can never bring the blessing of salvation, is there some reason you have for bringing this truth into a post it does not belong in?

The whole point is nobody has ever kept the law but One, Jesus ... the critical point is if you fail in just one you are declared guilty of law breaking.

As soon as somebody says we must keep all the gospel commands [thus making the gospel a new law] somebody will say "wait a minute I saw you break the commands of Jesus twice yesterday"

People set themselves up as fruit inspectors and judges

 

[Blik]

Its you that's taking that extreme "
"not under law" into "ignore the law "
I don't 'ignore 'scriptures that mention the law . But a believer is still not UNDER the law ,in any sense.

Many are scolding at me, saying how wrong I am but never explaining through scripture how that is.

This time, they are all lily white and I am black as coal because they say they aren't under law and I'd like to be allowed to say I think the Lord gave us the law out of love for us so we are under law to learn how to live for the Lord, but under grace for forgiveness and I would SO like to be allowed to say so without this labeling that happens so often.

 

[pottersclay]

Faith without works is dead...is a servant above his master?
Work now for it is daylight...there is a time coming when no one can work.
The days of grace is summer time for the Lord. Planting and sowing are needs to be done.
We have been handed the privilege of continuing the ministry of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
And the Lord does equip us for the task at hand.
Works are the Holy Spirit with work boots on. Obedience is what the Lord is watching for.
You can't have obedience without faith. In fact jesus said why call me Lord yet don't do the things I've asked of you?

 

[pottersclay]

Ecclesiastes says everything is old nothing is new under the sun.
The covenant your referring to was hidden in the old. God switched his focus from Israel to gentile believers. Yes there were many Jewish converts but the focus was to establish the church.
The praying church, the one that will prevail against hell itself.
The jews were to be scattered all over the world. After the 70 ad event this was accomplished according to the word of God.
Now Israel is reborn in 1948 according to the word of GOD where he calls them back to the holy land
just as he promised.

 

[crossnote]

Back to...? You mean she stopped?

touché .

 

[SophieT]

Do you think that when the Lord told us we were not under the law, what the Lord was saying was for us not to listen to Him? That is NOT what this means.

maybe if you didn't accuse people of thinking things they never thought, you would be able to understand what they actually are saying.

I am not defending the poster. I am pointing out something you do more often than not.

well, the rest of us see it anyway

 

[Dino246]

Many are scolding at me, saying how wrong I am but never explaining through scripture how that is.

Hogwash. You reject every explanation, whether given with Scripture or not.

Nevertheless, here's some Scripture for you: Hebrews 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first on OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear.

This time, they are all lily white and I am black as coal because they say they aren't under law and I'd like to be allowed to say I think the Lord gave us the law out of love for us so we are under law to learn how to live for the Lord, but under grace for forgiveness and I would SO like to be allowed to say so without this labeling that happens so often.

Wrong. This isn't about anyone being white or black; it's about the truth of Scripture. You can say whatever you like, but that doesn't mean you have the truth. We don't correct you simply because you're wrong, but rather because we want you to enjoy the glorious freedom we have in Jesus Christ.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

When scripture tells us that works do not enter into the equation when God decides about our salvation, only faith is looked at, how could anyone on a Christian site say that is not true?

This op is about works, thinking of it as completely apart from thinking of salvation. This op's discussion is about what the Lord tells us about works APART from the fact that they do not save. The only way I have found that works are spoken of in scripture in relation to being saved is that works are the result of salvation.

The eternal, still effective, part of the old covenant speaks of the Lord giving fleshly rewards for works apart from salvation, for the eternal truth given in the old testament is that there is not salvation without blood. We are given the fruits of the spirit for works, those fruits are apart from salvation.

We are NOT to work for salvation, but we are not told we may not work for earthly rewards, in fact we are told we will be judged by our works.

Does not the scripture say "work out your own salvation"? Jer 17:14, Hear me, O Lord, and I shall be healed, save me, and I shall be saved, for thou art my praise. Both of the "saved" words are interpreted as "avenge, protect, DELIVER."

Matt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be "saved" ( deliver, or protect)

 

[Blik]

maybe if you didn't accuse people of thinking things they never thought, you would be able to understand what they actually are saying.

I am not defending the poster. I am pointing out something you do more often than not.

well, the rest of us see it anyway

Where is it that the question I asked was instead of a question it was an accusation? I asked and no one answered. Then I am accused of accusing. I questioned, you accused.

 

[Blik]

Hogwash. You reject every explanation, whether given with Scripture or not.

Nevertheless, here's some Scripture for you: Hebrews 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first on OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear.


Wrong. This isn't about anyone being white or black; it's about the truth of Scripture. You can say whatever you like, but that doesn't mean you have the truth. We don't correct you simply because you're wrong, but rather because we want you to enjoy the glorious freedom we have in Jesus Christ.

When people twist scripture and misrepresent God, God will take care of it. There is a secular saying about this, give you enough rope and you will hang yourself.

We are in the last days, many gang up against the truth. We are told this will happen. But God will prevail, we can rely on that God will win in the end.

 

[Dino246]

When people twist scripture and misrepresent God, God will take care of it. There is a secular saying about this, give you enough rope and you will hang yourself.

You claim that "people twist scripture and misrepresent God", so let's have three examples. Please provide three QUOTATIONS where you think others have done so. The rest of us can judge just who is doing the twisting and misrepresenting.

 

[crossnote]

For all the voluntary law keeping some claim to do, I hope they realize it's barely a fraction of the righteousness expressed by Jesus Christ. @Blik are you listening?