Works of the Law
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I'll finish this lesson now that I have no further questions from anyone. But again...feel free to take me down. I want to challenge you folks who disagree with me...with what the bible says...not your teachers.
I also want to thank you all for having a mature discussion with me and with others.🙏
Bottom line folks....
Paul was merely teaching those who were under the Law of Moses, the difference between the covenant Moses brought them, and one Jesus brought. And the covenant Jesus brought us was much like the ones God had made with...Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. It is based on our Love for God, as it was with the covenants he made with these men.
God did not arbitrarily pick these men. No,...God provided these men with all of their needs and they loved God for it, they were simply thankful for what God had given them. And they showed their love for God, by trying not to sin, because sin.... is against God. God saw they loved him, and that's why they stood above all other men and grew in his Gods Grace. And that's why God did not put these men under the Law. But those who came out of Egypt...Now that was a different story altogether. God had basically abandoned them for over 400 years....so they did not know God and everyone who had...had died by the time they left Egypt.
So the Law of Moses was designed to deal with the Children of Abraham....like small children who acted like children and needed to learn simple obedience to God. Now please...look at who Paul's teachings, regarding the Law of Moses,... were being directed. It was not the Gentiles, but the Jews who had been under the Law of Moses...since the day Moses received it.
Remember...God never changes. God doesn't change for us as many seem to believe, rather his covenant is designed so we will change for him. From slave to sin...to a slave to righteousness.
What did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph, the same God we worship today..... say to the Jews?
(Exodus 16:28)
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
And the results??
(Exodus 20:6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Gods covenants may change....but his requirement in them regarding sin...do not.
I also want to thank you all for having a mature discussion with me and with others.🙏
Bottom line folks....
Paul was merely teaching those who were under the Law of Moses, the difference between the covenant Moses brought them, and one Jesus brought. And the covenant Jesus brought us was much like the ones God had made with...Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. It is based on our Love for God, as it was with the covenants he made with these men.
God did not arbitrarily pick these men. No,...God provided these men with all of their needs and they loved God for it, they were simply thankful for what God had given them. And they showed their love for God, by trying not to sin, because sin.... is against God. God saw they loved him, and that's why they stood above all other men and grew in his Gods Grace. And that's why God did not put these men under the Law. But those who came out of Egypt...Now that was a different story altogether. God had basically abandoned them for over 400 years....so they did not know God and everyone who had...had died by the time they left Egypt.
So the Law of Moses was designed to deal with the Children of Abraham....like small children who acted like children and needed to learn simple obedience to God. Now please...look at who Paul's teachings, regarding the Law of Moses,... were being directed. It was not the Gentiles, but the Jews who had been under the Law of Moses...since the day Moses received it.
Remember...God never changes. God doesn't change for us as many seem to believe, rather his covenant is designed so we will change for him. From slave to sin...to a slave to righteousness.
What did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph, the same God we worship today..... say to the Jews?
(Exodus 16:28)
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
And the results??
(Exodus 20:6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Gods covenants may change....but his requirement in them regarding sin...do not.
Lol... your vagueness and presupposition is entertaining!
"... Jesus established this teaching in his Gospel?" ".as it (i)s being taught in the church today?"
- "this" teaching? What teaching? I mentioned no specific teaching, other than that God shows us grace by giving us Salvation and peace by believing on Jesus as Saviour and Lord.
- "being taught in the church today?" What's being taught? What church are you referring to?
You seem to be making generalized statements and then directing them at individuals... idk?
I do know of the Accuser... and folks that adopt His style of "teaching/preaching"... I ain't into it. lol
"... Jesus established this teaching in his Gospel?" ".as it (i)s being taught in the church today?"
- "this" teaching? What teaching? I mentioned no specific teaching, other than that God shows us grace by giving us Salvation and peace by believing on Jesus as Saviour and Lord.
- "being taught in the church today?" What's being taught? What church are you referring to?
You seem to be making generalized statements and then directing them at individuals... idk?
I do know of the Accuser... and folks that adopt His style of "teaching/preaching"... I ain't into it. lol
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Thought this was interesting about how a teacher, well know for teaching that we are not under Gods Law....Used that very Law to his advantage to stay in the pulpit.
That man...Charles Stanley
Part of his Bio...
Stanley's wife of more than 40 years, Anna J. Stanley, filed for divorce on June 22, 1993, following their separation in spring of 1992. The two of them agreed that Anna would amend the lawsuit to seek a legal separation instead ("separate maintenance"), while seeking reconciliation. She again filed for divorce on March 20, 1995. The Moody Radio Network station in Atlanta (then-WAFS) took Stanley's daily broadcast off the air during that time, as managers concluded that there was no sign of reconciliation.[citation needed] The Stanleys were legally separated at the time that divorce papers were filed for the last time on February 16, 2000. A judge signed the final divorce decree on May 11, 2000.[18][19][verification needed]
Their divorce caused a minor controversy in the Southern Baptist Convention. The matter was complicated by reports that Stanley had said he would resign as pastor if he got divorced. At the time of their separation, he said that he did not believe that it would result in divorce; however after he was divorced, the members of his church overwhelmingly voted to keep him on as pastor. According to First Baptist Atlanta's bylaws, Stanley was allowed to remain as pastor as long as he did not remarry.[20][verification needed] Anna Stanley died on November 10, 2014
That man...Charles Stanley
Part of his Bio...
Stanley's wife of more than 40 years, Anna J. Stanley, filed for divorce on June 22, 1993, following their separation in spring of 1992. The two of them agreed that Anna would amend the lawsuit to seek a legal separation instead ("separate maintenance"), while seeking reconciliation. She again filed for divorce on March 20, 1995. The Moody Radio Network station in Atlanta (then-WAFS) took Stanley's daily broadcast off the air during that time, as managers concluded that there was no sign of reconciliation.[citation needed] The Stanleys were legally separated at the time that divorce papers were filed for the last time on February 16, 2000. A judge signed the final divorce decree on May 11, 2000.[18][19][verification needed]
Their divorce caused a minor controversy in the Southern Baptist Convention. The matter was complicated by reports that Stanley had said he would resign as pastor if he got divorced. At the time of their separation, he said that he did not believe that it would result in divorce; however after he was divorced, the members of his church overwhelmingly voted to keep him on as pastor. According to First Baptist Atlanta's bylaws, Stanley was allowed to remain as pastor as long as he did not remarry.[20][verification needed] Anna Stanley died on November 10, 2014
amen that’s exactly it paul is describing how the gospel works in us through grace and faith
“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:16-17 KJV
Paul’s literally saying the same thing as this
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
That’s where Paul’s language comes from things like that belief in Jesus is salvstion by grace and through faith the gospel is full of grace and faith we just have to hear and accept it as truth rather than letting people explain there’s a different gospel that’s for us that isn’t the same gospel given by the lord for salvation
a anyone who was to learn and believe the gospel wrotten on the Bible would actually understand what it means to be saved by grace through faith
paul is just a witness of Jesus and the one and only gospel when he says things like the gospel of grace he is describing an element of how the gospel effectively saves a soul that believes
“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:16-17 KJV
Paul’s literally saying the same thing as this
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
That’s where Paul’s language comes from things like that belief in Jesus is salvstion by grace and through faith the gospel is full of grace and faith we just have to hear and accept it as truth rather than letting people explain there’s a different gospel that’s for us that isn’t the same gospel given by the lord for salvation
a anyone who was to learn and believe the gospel wrotten on the Bible would actually understand what it means to be saved by grace through faith
paul is just a witness of Jesus and the one and only gospel when he says things like the gospel of grace he is describing an element of how the gospel effectively saves a soul that believes
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Wrong x 1, 000 He came to serve ME, yes this is what prideful flesh rebels against.
He found me when I was lost, lonely and afraid on the mountainside, caught in the briar and hearkening the wolf howling nearby. He put me upon His shoulders and carried me home rejoicing .... and He's been carrying me ever since.
all I did was submit and allowed Him.
All who know Him after this fashion loves Him and will not bear to be separated from Him ever again.
He found me when I was lost, lonely and afraid on the mountainside, caught in the briar and hearkening the wolf howling nearby. He put me upon His shoulders and carried me home rejoicing .... and He's been carrying me ever since.
all I did was submit and allowed Him.
All who know Him after this fashion loves Him and will not bear to be separated from Him ever again.
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How you treat others is the hallmark of love.
Sin ultimately, is rejecting Jesus Christ.
Your destiny is not based on you level of sin, never was.
Your destiny is a free gift of eternal life to those that believe in Jesus Christ.
There are no holy men in Christianity, just forgiven sinners. That's why our salvation is by grace and nothing else.
Sin ultimately, is rejecting Jesus Christ.
Your destiny is not based on you level of sin, never was.
Your destiny is a free gift of eternal life to those that believe in Jesus Christ.
There are no holy men in Christianity, just forgiven sinners. That's why our salvation is by grace and nothing else.
Are you serious in your inquiries or something else? So here the the passage which should settle this matter, so please pay close attention: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)