Women Pastors

[Thunderrr-mental]

Those taught by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ accept the plain reading of scripture which is woman cannot be church leaders in the Body of Christ and instead will be serving in supporting roils.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

The thread titles says women pastor's

I'm asking you is the word pastor in the bible.

Is it a pastor or a minister that is in the bible.

Who is allowed to minister according to the bible

Secondly who else is the body of Christ and the church,

Is it a building that is the body of Christ, or it his children.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Your position is equally in limbo. Probably more so, actually.

Can you qualify your statement, or is it just another one of those private views

 

[Charlie_2024]

1 John 2:

12 I write to you, little children,
Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.
13 I write to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children,
Because you have known the Father.
14 I have written to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men,
Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you,
And you have overcome the wicked one.


If the Apostle John was writing to the kids, sounds like he considered them part of the church . And it's clear he's talking to actual kids because he addressed them separately from the fathers and young men. There are more such verses, but if you don't accept this one I doubt you would accept the others so I shall waste my time no further. But I do hope that you ask Jesus to help you see people the way He does. It's a good prayer, and one that I myself have needed at times. Can't go wrong, right?

But Jesus already told us how He sees things. I don't need to pray for the Bible to written, it was already completed 2000 years ago.

I'm still in the waiting room, hoping somebody liberates me from my confusion. All I need to set me free, is a single shred of evidence for the existence of Children in the Church.

God doesn't forbid Ministers from writing letters to families and acknowledging the children with their well wishes. I notice John didn't extend an invitation to the children to join the Church

 

[Charlie_2024]

That's not true.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Read what the Lord said thru Paul to the Galatians who had gotten born again and then went back to the Lord and the Lord said they had fallen from grace.

Read what Jesus taught about the prodigal son that the Father said was dead while he was away and was only alive again after he came back to the Father.

Notice how Perter asserts that the people in question were never saved at all. He said they merely escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and savior.

There is no suggestion these people were saved at any point. Escaping the pollution of the world, suggests they heard the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they realized that they had been deceived by the lies (pollution) of the world. And after some time they were once again entangled and (deceived) by the world.

That verse is describing how the vast majority of the world deal with the gospel. They hear it and acknowledge that it makes sense and they may show outward signs of faith, but it doesn't last long and they soon abandon their faith and go back to the prostitutes and wine that they always loved anyway.

The other scriptures you mentioned also deal with outward false professions of faith, just like that of Judas.

The main lesson in the story of the parodical son, was regarding his brothers jealousy. Jesus told that that true story to reassure sinners that the Father is merciful and He does forgive His children if they repent. The brother who relied on his own good works and righteous, was condemned by God.

Our best works are as filthy rags in Gods sight. That's why the outward works based salvation is never good enough to be acceptable to God. Only the atoning work of the Lord on the cross is sufficient to save us. Anyone who tries to add their own works to the finished work of Christ on the cross, will be rejected by God.

It's a great insult to the Lord, for anyone to suggest that the Lord needs our good works to complete what Jesus already completed.

 

[Charlie_2024]

John 6:37​

the one who comes to Me ​

I will by no means cast out.​

The problem with that verse is that you have misapplied it. Jesus knows the Children won't come to Him,, asking for membership. Children to to have fun, they're not interested in living a serious life where they can't hang out with their friends and play games.
Children don't have the mental capacity to understand the gospel message. They need to be given time to mature, then maybe one day when their brain is developed enough to connect the dots, they may apply for membership. But the Church still has the last word and it can reject the application, even after maturity.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Your missing the point,

The thread titles says women pastor's

I'm asking you is the word pastor is in the bible.

Is it a pastor or a minister that is in the bible.

Who is allowed to minister Charly according to the bible

Secondly Charlie who else is the body of Christ and the church,

Is it a building that is the body of Christ, or it his children Charlie.

I know the word is not in the Bible, but that doesn't matter. Everyone knows what it means and nobody seems to have a problem understanding it's meaning except for you.

Only those who were ordained were allowed to lead Churches in the Bible. Sorry to tell you but no women were allowed to be teachers in the Church in Bible times. They had to stay silent, let alone teach or preach or shepherd or what ever other title you want to impose on the scripture.

There are three groups of people in the Church. 1. All the Saints who died. 2. All the living Saints. 3. All the saints that are yet to be born. Don't let this truth depress you, just because you can't see two of the groups. Rest assured God sees and knows every single one intimately

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I know the word is not in the Bible, but that doesn't matter. Everyone knows what it means and nobody seems to have a problem understanding it's meaning except for you.

Only those who were ordained were allowed to lead Churches in the Bible. Sorry to tell you but no women were allowed to be teachers in the Church in Bible times. They had to stay silent, let alone teach or preach or shepherd or what ever other title you want to impose on the scripture.

There are three groups of people in the Church. 1. All the Saints who died. 2. All the living Saints. 3. All the saints that are yet to be born. Don't let this truth depress you, just because you can't see two of the groups. Rest assured God sees and knows every single one intimately

Firstly I ain't said anything else other than what I have asked.

Which so far you have yet to answer.


Question 1 which word is in the bible,

Pastors or ministers

Question two

Who is the church of Christ.

Is it a building or his people.

Question 3 is a sister allowed to minister

Yes or no.

So this is all I've asked at this moment in time to you.

I haven't suggested anything else at this stage.

So are you able to answer theses questions.

 

[Dino246]

Children don't have the mental capacity to understand the gospel message. They need to be given time to mature, then maybe one day when their brain is developed enough to connect the dots, they may apply for membership. But the Church still has the last word and it can reject the application, even after maturity.

Nobody “applies for membership” in the Church. You get in by believing in Jesus, which is what many millions of children have done.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus knows the Children won't come to Him,, asking for membership

Matthew 19:14​

But Jesus said, ​

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.​

​

becoming a Christian isn't putting in an application to join a country club, friend.
it is quite simply coming to Christ, in faith. it is belief, not a homeowners association.

 

[posthuman]

Children don't have the mental capacity to understand the gospel message. They need to be given time to mature, then maybe one day when their brain is developed enough to connect the dots, they may apply for membership. But the Church still has the last word and it can reject the application, even after maturity.

so if a teenager comes to you and asks you how to be saved, your answer is "wait till later, zero hope for you now"?

is this what you tell your own children?

last i checked Salvation is through Christ Jesus alone, not 'church membership applications'
we had this whole thing, called the reformation, maybe you've heard of it lol

 

[p_rehbein]

Those that reject Paul's writings on this topic are actuality acknowledging that they believe sometimes Paul was being led by the devil

In other words, they are picking and choosing what parts of God's Word they want to believe based on their preconceived ideas that are based on popular opinion of the world and the wisdom of man rather than what God says thru His Word.

It's being highly disrespectful to the Lord and it doing the same thing satan did in the garden of eden which is questioning and denying the Truthfulness of God's Word.

This is EXACTLY how people become deceived and it's very sad to see as this does not end well for those doing this.

You have been so misled by someone, or simply not yet received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit who gives to those He will the "spiritual" understanding of Scripture so they are able to feast on the true meat of Gods Written Word. I have dealt with this many times here, and I simply can not be bothered to show you how the Scriptures you posted you are understanding with a "physical" understanding. An earthly understanding. Just as Paul said when he taught about having fed believers with milk and honey for they were not able yet to feast on the meat of Gods Word.

Go in peace

 

[p_rehbein]

Women were created by the Lord to serve in a helper role not in a role of authority.

Only men can serve in a role of authority according to scripture.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife


Quote from - Titus 1:6-9

If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God


Quote from - 1 Timothy 2:12,13

I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man


Related TRUTH from Scripture:

1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.

1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.

2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.

 

[Snackersmom]

But Jesus already told us how He sees things. I don't need to pray for the Bible to written, it was already completed 2000 years ago.

I'm still in the waiting room, hoping somebody liberates me from my confusion. All I need to set me free, is a single shred of evidence for the existence of Children in the Church.

God doesn't forbid Ministers from writing letters to families and acknowledging the children with their well wishes. I notice John didn't extend an invitation to the children to join the Church

Oh dear.... my hunch was correct. You are unwilling to pray a VERY simple prayer for Jesus to give you the right mindset for ministry.

You are leaning on your own understanding rather than allowing the Spirit of God to work in you. It's not so much WHAT you seem to believe, but how you have been conveying it that concerns me. You seem to be taking joy in your supposed qualification to reject people from coming to Jesus. I will pray that some day you have an actual walk with Jesus where you are humble enough to beg Him to renew your mind and give you His mindset on all matters. Often the ugliest sins we commit aren't outside the body, but inside our hearts and minds. ALL of us need Him to work in us to make us more like Him and equip us to do His work. It's not a one-time thing, but something we need our whole lives as He reveals more and more to us.

I don't plan to reply again, I'm rather busy and I think I would be wasting my time.

 

[LeeLoving]

Oh dear.... my hunch was correct. You are unwilling to pray a VERY simple prayer for Jesus to give you the right mindset for ministry.

You are leaning on your own understanding rather than allowing the Spirit of God to work in you. It's not so much WHAT you seem to believe, but how you have been conveying it that concerns me. You seem to be taking joy in your supposed qualification to reject people from coming to Jesus. I will pray that some day you have an actual walk with Jesus where you are humble enough to beg Him to renew your mind and give you His mindset on all matters. Often the ugliest sins we commit aren't outside the body, but inside our hearts and minds. ALL of us need Him to work in us to make us more like Him and equip us to do His work. It's not a one-time thing, but something we need our whole lives as He reveals more and more to us.

I don't plan to reply again, I'm rather busy and I think I would be wasting my time.

I think you're kind of putting a yoke on him to expect him to pray for something that you think he should pray for. I don't really know why a child couldn't believe in Jesus though.

1 John 2 was brought up, here's what it says in the KJV,

1 John 2:12-13 (KJV)

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

Depending on how you read this you might read it like John was addressing children. John begins the chapter with "My little children" though, so I think the proper way to read it might be that he is using "little children" the same way he used it at the beginning of the chapter, which may not include children at all.

 

[Dino246]

You claim you have done your "homework" but are apparently afraid to post it.

I have already posted it. It's not my problem that you didn't read it.

All you've posted so far is one verse you take out of context that the perverts use to legitimatize gay marriage and the claim that we should follow culture rather than what God's Word says both of which are following the darkened mind of mankind and not the wisdom of God.

Your capacity for insulting far outweighs your capacity for understanding.

If you think you have some "homework" that proves 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 to be false doctrine then post it up.

I already responded to this.

Given that you have chosen to be an ignorant jackdonkey on this subject, I see no point in further effort to educate you.

 

[Magenta]

Can you qualify your statement, or is it just another one of those private views

You have no Scripture to prove your point. LOL @ private view.

Furthermore, your view seeks to limit God.

 

[Edify]

In Gen 3, God JUDGED the serpent, Eve, Then Adam. Note this verse:
16To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you shall deliver children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
We automatically assume Eve DIDN'T have multiplied pain in childbirth BEFORE JUDGMENT, right?
With the same assumptiom, we assume that Adam didn't rule over Eve until they sinned & were judged.
This scripture is used all the time because it's the only one in Genesis. It' wasn't part of God's general instructions to stay pure, it was JUDGMENT.

Now that we are saved, guess what? The inner man is no longer under the curse. If anyone wants to get technical about it, the inner man is NEITHER male nor female. According to scripture, we are all now the SONS OF GOD!
Jesus said in heaven we will be neither male nor female, but like the angels.
IF I have the RIGHTS & PRIVILEDGES to be a Son of God NOW, why don't my sisters? We're all going to be King-Priests in the Kingdom, right?
If I'm wrong, then we all aren't able to do all things in Christ Jesus.
The first Adam brought me the curse, The second Adam took it away, nailing it to His cross!
If whom the Son sets free is free indeed, I would be in danger of judgment for telling anyone saved what they CAN'T DO. I would be rebellious to the great & exceeding precious promises of God that are Yay & Amen in Christ Jesus.
Personally, I think some have a problem choosingthe traditions of the elders over God's Word.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Notice how Perter asserts that the people in question were never saved at all.

Actually is his NOT saying that at all.

He is clearly saying they were saved after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

There is only ONE way to escape the corruption of this world and that is getting born again and being translated from darkness into the kingdom of God's dear son

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

You have been so misled by someone, or simply not yet received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit who gives to those He will the "spiritual" understanding of Scripture

Those rejecting the plain reading of 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 that very clearly tell us church leaders are to be men are the ones not being led by the Holy Spirit and have had their eyes of their understanding darkened by the forces of darkness.

I have already posted it. It's not my problem that you didn't read it.

I read it and it ignores the rest of what God says on this subject in His Word which is being one of those cherry pickers who has to ignore or explain away other passages that don't agree with their preconceived ideas.

People doing this are the reason we have so much false doctrine floating around such as women can be pastors and sit in authority over a congregation. They open themselves up to demons by rejecting what God says in His Word.

Your capacity for insulting far outweighs your capacity for understanding.

Those that ignore portions of God's Word just because they don't agree with it should be ignored as their viewpoint is faulty and inspired by demons.

Given that you have chosen to be an ignorant jackdonkey on this subject, I see no point in further effort to educate you.

I don't accept "education" that requires one to ignore what God says in favor of following the darkened wisdom of man

You have no Scripture to prove your point. LOL @ private view.

That's pretty funny. 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 tell us very clearly that men are to be church leaders not women.

 

[LeeLoving]

In Gen 3, God JUDGED the serpent, Eve, Then Adam. Note this verse:
16To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you shall deliver children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
We automatically assume Eve DIDN'T have multiplied pain in childbirth BEFORE JUDGMENT, right?
With the same assumptiom, we assume that Adam didn't rule over Eve until they sinned & were judged.
This scripture is used all the time because it's the only one in Genesis. It' wasn't part of God's general instructions to stay pure, it was JUDGMENT.

Now that we are saved, guess what? The inner man is no longer under the curse. If anyone wants to get technical about it, the inner man is NEITHER male nor female. According to scripture, we are all now the SONS OF GOD!
Jesus said in heaven we will be neither male nor female, but like the angels.
IF I have the RIGHTS & PRIVILEDGES to be a Son of God NOW, why don't my sisters? We're all going to be King-Priests in the Kingdom, right?
If I'm wrong, then we all aren't able to do all things in Christ Jesus.
The first Adam brought me the curse, The second Adam took it away, nailing it to His cross!
If whom the Son sets free is free indeed, I would be in danger of judgment for telling anyone saved what they CAN'T DO. I would be rebellious to the great & exceeding precious promises of God that are Yay & Amen in Christ Jesus.
Personally, I think some have a problem choosingthe traditions of the elders over God's Word.

I think the writers were just using male-centric language and that there are in fact sons and daughters of God.

 

[Mem]

I think the writers were just using male-centric language and that there are in fact sons and daughters of God.

If scripture say, 'let no man deceive you," it isn't saying 'only some men won't but all women will' it says "no man (including any woman)" But this is the same logic used of those that hold to only men can be deacons while ignoring Pheobe's title as a lady deacon.