i tell you, women always have it over men! what good are we? we're always last! opening the door, stand in the rain for our women, eat last, take a shower last, sit down last, talk last, especially, but we'e the 1st to listen!!!!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!!It was the woman who fell to temptation first in the garden (Genesis 3:6), it was a woman first who Jesus confessed to being (John 4:26), and it was women first who went to the tomb and who first met the risen Christ (Matthew 28:5)(John 20:15)
Nothing is by coincidence with God, so what do you think ?
Woman first....what do you think?
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I don't know if this verse was what you had in mind when you posted this, but it came to my mind when I read it.
Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Some things don't change - at least, not when left up to sinful man.
Hi Charles, dang this is an old thread!
Can't remember exactly what I was thinking verse-wise but probably a combination Deuteronomy 10:16 Leviticus 4:35 and James 5:5 . It's a phrase I've heard often but never bothered to look up specifically until now, but yeah the passage you thought of definitely applies to the process I had in mind!
Hi Charles, dang this is an old thread!
Can't remember exactly what I was thinking verse-wise but probably a combination Deuteronomy 10:16 Leviticus 4:35 and James 5:5 . It's a phrase I've heard often but never bothered to look up specifically until now, but yeah the passage you thought of definitely applies to the process I had in mind!
I knew it was a long time ago, but when I read it yesterday, was compelled to comment, as I felt as if I'd had the exact same thought (but on other issues). Pride and hard-heartedness causes so many problems (which is what I expect from the world, but not Christians!)Totally overlooked the meanings from Leviticus and James about the sacrificial system and even potentially being the sacrifice for slaughter (I guess which applies to all who don't believe in Christ), so thank you for sharing these!
Totally overlooked the meanings from Leviticus and James about the sacrificial system and even potentially being the sacrifice for slaughter (I guess which applies to all who don't believe in Christ), so thank you for sharing these!
Hi Charles, you are welcome! I was indeed thinking of it in a sacrificial sense. Leading the flock takes sacrifice when done correctly, but instead of stepping up many are content to criticize from afar.
In the old Testament, God appointed women to non-standard roles when men failed. We see this with Abigail, Deborah, Jael... even Moses' wife when he failed to circumcise their son. Jaels' involvement was a direct rebuke to Barak for his lack of faith and follow-through.
Rather than blaming women for the state of the church, we should each look inward and sincerely ask The Lord what He would have us do for His Kingdom.
Yes. Nabal might have lived if he'd listened to his wife. And I'm not aware of any passage of Barak complaining that Deborah accompanied him into battle, or Moses speaking against Zipporah's timely provision of circumcision. I believe Zipporah's example also disproves the idea claimed by some (usually non-Christians) that males were considered more important because only males received this covenant sign - if so, how could a female without it provide it?
People forget its spiritual warfare. A great tactic in war is to get the enemy shooting at each other, rather than shooting back.
President Trump announced that he wants to provide every eligible citizen with a $2,000 payment as part of a new economic relief initiative. The proposal aims to support Americans struggling with rising living costs and the ongoing effects of inflation.Preach means to proclaim. The great commission tells us EVERY christian is to proclaim the Gospel.
The woman at the well ran & told all the people to "come & see a man who told me all I did. Is not this the Christ?"
The whole city came out to hear Jesus because of what she did.
Imagine that... a woman, a new convert, preaching without a proper license! No denominational affiliation!
How dare she!?!
And did it all without pharisee approval!!
Only hours saved & did far better job than the "tradition of the elders" armchair theologians that only try to dazzle us with their presence & misconstrued knowledge of the Bible.
I somehow believe Drew Pritchard’s New Wife The Father was looking down smiling that day.
Barak DEFINITELY wasn't complaining about Deborah going to battle with him, in fact he insisted on it ( Judges 4: 8-9 )
8 Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”
9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.”
But yeah, totally agree that men and women are stronger and more effective when working for God together, rather than battling it out over who is more competent or more susceptible to deception or any other topics we decide to fire at each other. Good leaders focus on the strengths of their members, rather than the weaknesses
Seriously God gave a few distinctions for any man and woman in marital relationship, and humans, men in particular, ran with that, making many more distinctions with which to have others put in their place, to keep them there. And there wasn't godliness with this.
I don't think every man will abuse their position in Christ. It's just that our roles as men and women in Christ are not fully addressed in our churches, so we often don't know how God wants us to work together the way He wants.
I know Jesus is a good model for men to be leaders of their families, but how many of them are actually paying attention?
Jesus is also a good model for women too, because He knows how to work with God the Father without usurping His Father's authority.
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It was the woman who fell to temptation first in the garden (Genesis 3:6), it was a woman first who Jesus confessed to being (John 4:26), and it was women first who went to the tomb and who first met the risen Christ (Matthew 28:5)(John 20:15)
Nothing is by coincidence with God, so what do you think ?
Thanks JMH, for noticing this interesting fact about women. I have often thought about the following:
"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. "
I see this as saying that Adam, a picture of Christ, was first to be. Then Eve, a picture of all true believers (both men and women), was next to be. All true believers were in the transgression. Nevertheless, despite the transgression, if true believers continue in faith, they will be fruitful and bear spiritual children (children in the Lord, converts to Christ).
That is why I am often a bit confused that people blame Adam so consistently for all of the fall of mankind. The standard mantra goes: Adam was the bad guy who brought sin upon all of mankind. I agree that all of mankind has sinned and is to blame, both men and women, except for Christ. Nevertheless, Christ did become sin on the cross for the sake of his bride, the true believers.
The issue is further complicated by the scripture which puts the blame on one man: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: " This seems to contradict the fact that the woman was first decieved. It may be that this is saying that the true believers (called one body or one new man in places like 1 Cor 12, and Romans 12, and Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 4, and a mature man in Ephesians 4) were the ones who first sinned. Or it could be simply referring to Adam as the one who had authority in the relationship of Adam and Eve and yet brought sin into the world.
Either way, mankind did fall into sin, and so we do rely upon Jesus to save us.
God made Eve from Adam's rib, equal. Woman is a Help-mate, not a slave or not equal
the sin born flesh is that culprit
So by God, in God's offer of risen Son we are born again new in God's spirit and truth in love and mercy for all, since that is done for us all first.
Then once anyone beleives between God and self then the new begins, in willingness to learn new from Father and one will learn from seeing truth over many mistakes made at first, was for me, and not that I got it together, God Father does for me through risen Son given me and everyone else that will willingly believe, receive and be new in God's Spirit and Truth too. John 4:23-24
thank you