Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

Agreed. The OP was invented to cause conflict.

CS1 · Apr 17, 2023

Even as flesh and blood human Yeshua, Jesus was not fully mortal. He was God manifest in the flesh.
In the beginning God created the first humans in God's image and likeness.
God created all things of and from himself.

Though masculine pronouns are used to describe God as expected in a patriarchal religious construct, we are told God is a spirit. Holy Spirit. God created humans in God's image and likeness. Male and female created he them.

I don't think we will ever know in this life the immensity that is God.
However I do know that a mortal human flesh and blood male is not on God's right side in Heaven.
When Emmanuel was God incarnate here delivering the Gospel he was in the image and likeness of a man, while being empowered as God.
Which is why he raised the dead, cast out demons, healed, and conquered the crucifixion death that killed flesh and blood men.

You shall call his name Emmanuel , meaning God with us.

If Emmanuel is a flesh and blood mortal male in Heaven now, Paul lied when he said flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven, the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable.

And worse, it would mean God doesn't exist but is a human construct. Because Jesus was God in flesh on earth. If he's still a mortal Jewish male and blood male in Heaven, that's not a divine Holy Spirit. And again Paul's proclamation is false.

Jesus was in a glorified body when he resurrected.
To prove he was Emmanuel returned he made himself to appear as the man his disciples knew was crucified. Showing them his wounds from the crucifixion. After he did something no mortal can do.
Appeared to his disciples in the upper room without opening the door to enter in.

When Jesus/God said we are all one in him, no male, female, I think if we insist those categories of separation apply to "him" at his second coming, and "he" must be a mortal male, we're missing the point of God's entire mission of deliverance.

He will return the same as he was. He was God through and through.Emmanuels flesh and blood male form was both of and from God.

And besides all that, no one has a picture of Jesus from first century. We know he will return as he was. That is, Savior of the world. God.

Who created everything of and from himself , Holy Spirit.

Women being marginalized is human sin. Not of God. Who created both in God's image and likeness.

Jesus was fully human and fully God. The gospels show that very clearly. Jesus became tired, and hungry he slept, ate, and drink; he felt pain and was even tempted.

Blade · Apr 17, 2023

WeAreAllOne said:

No offense but this is like ... I don't want to say it lol but like my wife saying when Children die they turn in to angels. So the OP's question is the same thing.

Your looking at this the way you know how and thats through the flesh not the spirit. He is as He has always been He never changes. The Father of lights the great I am the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a spirit not man or woman. How was Christ in the OT? How was He when He walked this earth? How was He after He rose and walked 40 days? How was He in Revaluation? Son of man. Its only here we have such sorry silly questions. So when He comes "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.".

pottersclay · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

As i thought and now mark.
Sowing discord among the saints is dangerous friend. If your testing the waters as a woke advocate your presence is not wanted hear.
I could show you 50 reasons and 50 scriptures that completely destroy your assumption but chose not to.
I cant believe this thread has gone this far. I do not cast pearl to swain. This thread is more than ridiculous and should not be entertained in the least.

Potter.

JonathanBentley · Apr 17, 2023

So it's basic knowledge that the resurrected Christ is in a body. Just saying

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

pottersclay said:

You're speaking to the wrong person. I did not post the OP.

Further and lastly, climbing on a racists bandwagon , the woke nonsense, isn't a good look for someone who tries to chastise someone, the wrong member, thinking to advocate right behavior.

You're sinning while condemning the wrong person.
Take the time to go to the 1st post and read the OP member name there. That's who you're actually talking to.

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

JonathanBentley said:

Glorified form, body.

pottersclay · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

Friend...i did that wrong...this is to the o.p and not you...i was trying to expound on what you said as a witness to what the o.p posted. I worded it wrong and apologize. 🤐

Locoponydirtman · Apr 17, 2023

Deuteronomy said:

Hello ButterflyJones, no one teaches that our fallen, earthly bodies are what we will have in the eternity to come, rather, the whole of the church teaches that at the resurrection of the dead, we will be given new, glorified/spiritual bodies, bodies that are suited for eternal life in the new age/on the new earth.

1 Corinthians 15

39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.

40 There are also ~heavenly bodies~ and there are ~earthly bodies~, but the splendour of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendour of the earthly bodies is another.

41 The sun has one kind of splendour, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendour.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The ~body~ that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;

43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.

49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so we shall bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

The one body is described in terms of its essential characteristics as earthly, on the one hand, and therefore belonging to the life of the present age, and as heavenly, on the other, and therefore belonging to the life of the Spirit in the age to come.

It is “spiritual,” not in the sense of “immaterial”, but of “supernatural”.

The transformed body, therefore, is not composed of “spirit”; it is a body adapted to the eschatological existence that is under the ultimate domination of the Spirit. We will bear the likeness of Christ (v. 49) in a transformed body, fitted for the new age. ~Fee, Gordon, NICNT, Commentary, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians

~Deuteronomy
p.s. - here are three passages to consider if you'd care to, the first one is prior to the Lord's resurrection. Here He talks to His disciples and tells them that the next time that He drinks wine with them will be in His Father's Kingdom.

The final two passages happen after His resurrection. Take note that His now resurrected/glorified body is not an immaterial vapor of some sort, rather, He points out to them that it is made up of "flesh and bones" (now glorified, of course).

Matthew 26

26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”

27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;

28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

29 “But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on ~until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.~”

Luke 24

36 While they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.”

37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.

38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?

39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.

41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;

43 and He took it and ate it before them.

John 20

24 Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”

26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”

27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

The post above about says it all.
Jesus' resurrected body is the one that was nailed to the cross. Same body resurrected and Glorified.
Why arent "churches" teaching this? The full counsel of the gospel. The 1st chapter of John. That Jesus who was with God and also was God and became flesh (a man) a dwelt among us, as in lived with us as one of us, was pursecuted and crusified and died and was indeed burried and was resurrected, which is the payment for our sin and is the hope of our resurrection; in his likeness. That at His return He will gather us to Him.
And see how the scripture describes his return.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Revelation 19:11‭-‬16 NKJV

BroTan · Apr 17, 2023

WeAreAllOne said:

Let's take a look at some scriptures and see the truth of the question you asking. Let's go into Daniel 7: 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. This is Jesus brothers and Sisters, written in the old testament. So much have been written about Jesus in the old testament, that I understand why Peter says, We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (2 Peter 1:19)

So the book is saying Son of Man, not daughter of Man, but let's take another look at it in the new Testament and pick up Daniel prophecy in Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So we see the Son of Man again, but let's go a little deeper in the scriptures in Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo.

We know it was Jesus who the Romans pierced and hung on the cross.

PennEd · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

I could write a ton on how Jesus REMAINS both God and Human, such as the fact He still has the holes in His hands and feet, and He eats in His Resurrected Body etc.., but this article does a good job doing it. I'd suggest you read it:
Jesus Is Still Human

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/jesus-is-still-human

HeIsHere · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

God is not a man.
God chose a woman to bring himself into this world. Given the Patriarchal construct of Judaism at that time.

Jesus is not a flesh and blood man in Heaven.
Emmanuel was his actual name, and Emmanuel means, God with us. Informing the Jews of that time that God was there among them. As he told his disciples numerous times.

Jesus being God was not a man. He was God manifesting as a Jewish male in order to bring a new covenant to his people.

When the Jews saw Emmanuel they saw God their Father.

The Pharisees and Sadducees nailed flesh and bone to the Romans cross. The Roman guard merely drove the nails into his body.

It was all his plan from before he was born.

So when someone opens a discussion to stoke people's opinions and garner the kind of replies posted this far that asks if Jesus could return as a female, the natural answer is yes.
Even when the OP wants to stoke inflammatory responses given the question.
Much like those who make an OP asking if God calls women to preach.

Jesus, Emmanuel, had women in his life to the day he ascended. He appeared resurrected to a woman first.

He's GOD!
He can do anything he wants because he was never a man. ("God is not a man that he should lie.")

Jesus broke the barriers that separated his people by the letter of " the law".
Which as we know had everything to do with the temple law enforcers wanting him dead.

There is no male, female, slave, free, Jew or Greek. We are all one in Christ.

Emmanuel will return as he was.

Remembering these are narrative accounts, not Jesus stating these things, I think we have to consider what that really means.

God, Holy Spirit, was with us in first century Palestine.
The Holy Spirit is not a man.

"When the Temple was destroyed and Israel went into exile, the Holy Spirit returned to heaven; this is indicated in Eccl. xii. 7: "the spirit shall return unto God" (Eccl. R. xii. 7). The spirit talks sometimes with a masculine and sometimes with a feminine voice (Eccl. vii. 29 [A. V. 28]); i.e., as the word "ruaḥ" is both masculine and feminine, the Holy Spirit was conceived as being sometimes a man and sometimes a woman."
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7833-holy-spirit

When Emmanuel said there is no male or female, we are all one in Christ, I think we make a serious mistake insisting God would return as a man when he wasn't actually one the first time he appeared here.

Injecting a prejudice into the second coming is antithetical to Emmanuel's message.

Jesus, Emmanuel will return as he was.
He was God! Not a man.

The same Jesus is Emmanuel. GOD.

"Jesus is not a flesh and blood man in Heaven."

I do agree with this and to state otherwise is to contradict scripture.

The rest is very interesting and I understand the thinking behind it, however, would you agree that Jesus had a dual nature?

NotmebutHim · Apr 17, 2023

I think this is appropriate for this thread:

Mind you, James Lindsay is an atheist, but he explains in detail what may very well be the mindset of the OP.

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Dual nature being he was divine God first, and a perfect sinless man manifest and 8mbued by and with his God power, yes.

Though there are some false churches that not only teach Jesus was just a man whom God favored, they also teach he was born with a sin nature.

There are some false churches that admit Jesus was divine yet was born with a sin nature.

It's sad when people start to create God/Emmanuel/Jesus in their image and likeness.

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

PennEd said:

He did those things while he walked this earth 40 days after he resurrected.

If your article claims Jesus is that same mortal perishable human flesh in Heaven the author is a blasphemer.

I suggest you read the Bible.

Deuteronomy · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

Hello again Butterfly Jones, while that may be the "natural" answer for some to make these days, it is hardly/will never be the Biblical answer. The Lord Jesus Christ is identified throughout the Bible, in the OT, from His birth to His ascension, from His second coming and rule over the Millennial Kingdom to the consummation of this age and His future existence with us on the new earth/in the new age, with masculine pronouns (this is true of both God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as well, of course).

The Lord Jesus Christ is both God and man, and the Father and the Holy Spirit (while they may not be "male" in the physical sense that human men are) always choose to "identify" themselves with masculine pronouns in the Bible. If honoring the pronoun choices that human beings make is considered to be important, why would we choose to do less for the Godhead?

I suppose you might think that this (the use of masculine pronouns for the Father and that Spirit, that is) is true due to (insidious) choices made by men on behalf of the patriarchal society that they lived in/by the male human "authors" who penned all of the OT/NT autographs, but the Bible could hardly be considered "God-breathed" (e.g. 2 Timothy 3:16-17) if that's true, since that would mean that its writing was not superintended by the Holy Spirit.

~Deuteronomy

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

pottersclay said:

Thank you. 😊❤️

ButterflyJones · Apr 17, 2023

Deuteronomy said:

Hello again Butterfly Jones, while that may be the "natural" answer for some to make these days, it is hardly/will never be the Biblical answer. The Lord Jesus Christ is identified throughout the Bible, in the OT, from His birth to His ascension, from His second coming and rule over the Millennial Kingdom to the consummation of this age and His future existence with us on the new earth/in the new age with masculine pronouns (as are both God the Father and God the Holy Spirit).

The Lord Jesus Christ is both God and man, and the Father and the Holy Spirit, while they may not be "male" in the physical sense that human men are, always choose to "identify" themselves with masculine pronouns in the Bible. If honoring the pronoun choices that human beings make is considered to be important, why would we choose to do anything else for the Godhead?

I suppose you might think that this (the use of masculine pronouns for the Father and that Spirit, that is) is true due to (insidious) choices made by men on behalf of the patriarchal society that they lived in/by the male human "authors" who penned all of the OT/NT autographs, but the Bible could hardly be considered the "God-breathed" (e.g. 2 Timothy 3:16-17) if that's true, since that would mean that its writing was not superintended by the Holy Spirit.

~Deuteronomy

I'd never be so arrogant as to 8nsist God must confine "himself" to the written words of men.

God inspired the Bible. He is not confined by nor to it.

Judaism came first. When God is Holy Spirit that is both male and female, people insisting God could never..... Will always be wrong.

oyster67 · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

And then...

ButterflyJones said:

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So do you or do you not have a preference?

Deuteronomy · Apr 17, 2023

ButterflyJones said:

Hello again Butterfly, if you wouldn't mind, please elaborate a bit on the words in bold above (as I'd like to make sure that I'm understanding your meaning before replying).

Thanks

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

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