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Nowadays every person is their own denomination after they read the Bible but i don‘t see any major disagreements with who Jesus is [maybe a few, very few] so Christianity and the followers of Christ are still on a good path, despite other different interpretations of the Bible.
If its "mere speculation" why are you not able to post even one verse from any bible that states that Peter and those in the upper room were water baptized on the "day of Pentecost'?
Its because its easy to innsinuate....., but its not so easy to prove what you can't prove, mustaphadrink.
I dont privately interpret any verses.
I just teach Paul's theology.
Now...INterpret this mustaphadrink.
If WATER is salvation, as " water cults" teach.....then why did the person who wrote most of the New Testament Epistles, and all of the Church Doctrine, write...
Paul said...>"CHRIST.... sent me not to water baptize"..
with Cornelius this was reversed for he received remission and the baptism of the Holy Ghost prior to water baptism.
We receive Jesus [and His water baptism] when we are saved.
Paran, not only do you take Scrripture out of context, you also misquote it when you post, ""CHRIST.... sent me not to water baptize"..[/QUOTE]
It appears that you are attempting to use Scripture to fit your ideas instead of reading it in context and searching for Scriptural truth.
In fact, Paul did baptize!!!!!!!!!!! Paul admitted that he baptized Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanas. If it was unimportant, and he didn’t come to baptize, why did he baptize them? In that line of logic, it doesn’t make sense. It happened, then because baptism is important, and it’s an inevitable response to Gospel preaching, as we see all throughout the book of Acts.
The problem with your post is that it blatantly ignores the context. Paul was not writing about his views on baptism. He was writing about a church that had divided itself along the lines of which prominent church leaders they identified with. 1:12-13 show us that they were labeling themselves by the names of Apollos, Cephas (Peter), Paul, and Christ.
When Paul said that he was thankful that he only baptized a few, he was saying so directly in response to the divisions that were taking place. That’s exactly what he says in 1:15 – “…so that no one would say you were baptized in my name.” He didn’t say he was thankful that they weren’t baptized. He was thankful that he didn’t baptize them so they couldn’t claim him as their savior or leader (1:13)
It’s in the same spirit that he said that he didn’t come to baptize. His point was that he didn’t go there to make converts to Paul, but converts to Christ.
If Paul was de-emphasizing baptism, you’re saying he contradicted himself when he wrote
- Romans 6:3-4 and Colossians 2:12, which both make the point that baptism unites us with Christ’s death, burial and resurrection.
- 1 Corinthians 12:13, which tells us that it was by baptism that we were brought into the body of Christ.
- Galatians 3:27, which says that baptism is how we clothed ourselves with Christ.
- Ephesians 4:5, in which He listed baptism alongside the Trinity and one hope, faith, and body as marks of our unity.
Evmur, where does it say in Scripture that we receive Jesus (and His water baptism) when we are saved? You say you are quoting. Where are you finding this quote?
I didnt say that he never water baptized, i just posted the verse for you.
Did you read it yet?
What i showed you is that water baptism, is not related to Salvation.
Paul wrote, "Christ sent me not to Baptize".
Yet, the baptism in the Spirt by the Spirt of God, is to be born again.
So, Paul knew all about that, as he taught it.
So, if he says, that "Christ sent me not to baptise"< KNOWING that The Spirit of God, is the Spiritual Baptism that creates the "new creation in Christ", then the baptism that Paul is not sent to do, is obviously water.
Not only did Jesus, Peter, and the early Christians emphasize the importance and function of baptism, but so did Paul!!!!
Read Paul's writings, in context in the books of Romans 6, 1 Corinthians 2. Ga;atoams 3. and Ephesians 4. He places a lot of importance on baptism and defines what it does for a Christian.
Read Paul's writings, in context in the books of Romans 6, 1 Corinthians 2. Ga;atoams 3. and Ephesians 4. He places a lot of importance on baptism and defines what it does for a Christian.
- Romans 6:3-4 and Colossians 2:12, which both make the point that baptism unites us with Christ’s death, burial and resurrection.
- 1 Corinthians 12:13, which tells us that it was by baptism that we were brought into the body of Christ.
- Galatians 3:27, which says that baptism is how we clothed ourselves with Christ.
- Ephesians 4:5, in which He listed baptism alongside the Trinity and one hope, faith, and body as marks of our unity.
Its the Cross of Christ that brings a believer "into the Body of Christ".
You can ask the dying Thief on the Cross, who was not water baptized, and is in Heaven.
So, if you think that water washed away your sin, then you have not been to Jesus, who did., and in fact you insult Him to give credit to WATER as the savior, when in Fact the only Savior is Jesus on the Cross by His BLOOD and DEATH., arthurfleminger.
yeah one part is done for remission of sins receiving his spirit is because we believe the gospel we get baptized for a specific reason
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 26-29 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41
baptism isn’t something we can argue about really it has to be heard about and believed then the person who hears what it is and believes will gladly get baptized in his name who died for them
baptism is basic and simple it happens to be performed in water because water cleanses things
we believe this
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV
And we accept that atonement and do this and receive remission of sins like God said we do
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
…. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3, 6-7 KJV
water is only important because thats what God said to do in faith believing what he said it only works by faith not if we don’t believe what it says
'being baptised for the remission of sins'. ...
Dont take this verse all on its lonesome.
Compare it with vast amounts of scripture with no baptism in them, that are about receiving eternal life. As I've posted before.. have a look at most of the book of John...
It is about assuring believers have eternal life, and most verses in John about eternal life,
Have. No. Water. Baptism.
But back to being baptised for the remission of sins. The Greek term behind 'for' is 'eis'... 'eis'... Like... Because of... In regards to... In reference to.
Being baptised in water by immersion because of already having been given eternal life.
Last.. baptism is a work . Works before getting saved do nothing to get it. We are dead in sin before regeneration so any work before being saved is just making the dead in sin look nice.. still dead.
Dont take this verse all on its lonesome.
Compare it with vast amounts of scripture with no baptism in them, that are about receiving eternal life. As I've posted before.. have a look at most of the book of John...
It is about assuring believers have eternal life, and most verses in John about eternal life,
Have. No. Water. Baptism.
But back to being baptised for the remission of sins. The Greek term behind 'for' is 'eis'... 'eis'... Like... Because of... In regards to... In reference to.
Being baptised in water by immersion because of already having been given eternal life.
Last.. baptism is a work . Works before getting saved do nothing to get it. We are dead in sin before regeneration so any work before being saved is just making the dead in sin look nice.. still dead.
You dont "put on Christ" by getting wet.
Christ is in HEAVEN.
To "Put on Christ" is to be born again.....and that happens like this.
The Holy Spirit of God, (not water).... birth's the believer's spirit into God's Spirit.
= BORN........again".
as a "new CREATION"....."in Christ".
Its DEMONIC to try to replace the HOLY SPIRIT"s work, with water.
= "water Cults"
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Locoponydirtman
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This type of thinking is why it is so important to remember history and keep traditions.
Through out history even in the first century church we have written documentation of how they understood and practiced scripture.
The irony here is that you trust that God used certain men to provide us with the canon of scripture, but do not trust what they taught about baptism or communion, or Christology, or theology.
The church is not a stand alone isolated event of the here and now. The church is tied to its history and the saints and martyrs through the ages. These modern day understandings are the contruct of an isolationist egalitarian mind.
Baptism in water has alway and will alway be a necessary element of salvation, ie; the washing away of sin.
Baptism into Christ via water has always been amd alway will be as Christ Himself instructed, in the name of The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Ghost. And this is what has always been done by the Church even in the new testament when it speaks of in the name of Christ. This was a short hand way of writing it, because the stationary department of walmart didnt yet exist. And there are many idomatic terms in scripture. Please read what the ancient church taught before responding to me.
Through out history even in the first century church we have written documentation of how they understood and practiced scripture.
The irony here is that you trust that God used certain men to provide us with the canon of scripture, but do not trust what they taught about baptism or communion, or Christology, or theology.
The church is not a stand alone isolated event of the here and now. The church is tied to its history and the saints and martyrs through the ages. These modern day understandings are the contruct of an isolationist egalitarian mind.
Baptism in water has alway and will alway be a necessary element of salvation, ie; the washing away of sin.
Baptism into Christ via water has always been amd alway will be as Christ Himself instructed, in the name of The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Ghost. And this is what has always been done by the Church even in the new testament when it speaks of in the name of Christ. This was a short hand way of writing it, because the stationary department of walmart didnt yet exist. And there are many idomatic terms in scripture. Please read what the ancient church taught before responding to me.
Church tradition for 1, 000 years was to sprinkle unrepentant babes
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What you posted denies that : "Without the shedding of BLOOD there is no remission, there is no forgiveness of sin".
So you just posted this : Galatians 1:8
Locoponydirtman.....You just replaced the Cross of Christ, which is the Blood Atonement, with....> "water cult", "doctrines of Devils" that would substitute The Blood and Death of Jesus for/as : "water baptism".
You just did that... Locoponydirtman.
Its "church fathers"....Heretical authors, one who is JEROME,... who took a Latin verse in John 3, and REWROTE IT, mistranslated it on purpose, like this.
"Born again BY water".
"Born again BY water"....
See that reader?
That is the "water cult" Cross denying, Blood Atonement denying: = "baptismal regeneration" "water cult" "doctrine of Devils".
How do you know?
Its because we are BORN AGAIN BY the HOLY SPIRIT...... not by the city water supply.
Even the DEVIL knows that, but, He's happy to have you trust in "water"..
Listen.... its the Blood of Jesus and the Death of Christ that is the BLOOD ATONEMENT that "washes away sin"....... and not water. Never water.. Water is just Water.
Its the Blood of Jesus that is the ATONEMENT for our SIN.
Its the HOLY SPIRIT that applies this SALVATION< this REDEMPTION..... not water.
And "water cults" replace this truth with = "water washes away your sin".
You just read one of these people do it.
And they'll do it again.
See that LIE?
That is a Satanic Lie that DENIES the Cross, and the Salvation of God Through Christ that is the REDEMPTION from Sin as THE BLOOD ATONEMENT.
"Water cults'" teach that WATER is your salvation... and that came from the Heretic JEROME, who mistranslated John 3 from Latin texts, not the Koine Greek...., so that the error, the lie, that is : "baptismal regeneration", " = "saved by water"< is what is taught.
This is the "Douay Rheims" bible, a complete work of the Devil.... that is the authorized CATHOLIC Bible which changed the Blood Atonement, into "water washes away your sin".
Its Hellish and Demonic.
Didn't roman tradition start with Constantinople in 300 AD? 1700 years of tradition?
What about What Christ Says In Scripture About that Very thing?
[ Borrowed from Handling The Word Of Life ]:
Now, Considering ‘search and think about Eternal Life’ From Scripture,
as compared to “from religious tradition”? How did “that work out”?
JESUS asked:
Mt 15:3 “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
JESUS, With Authority From His Father, spoke:
Mt 15:6 “Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.”
Mr 7:8 “laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.”
God, The SON, still With Authority, gave Final Condemnation of 'tradition ':
Mr 7:9 “And HE said unto them Full Well ye Reject The Commandment of GOD, that ye may 'keep your own’ tradition.”
MIShandled and irresponsible, Correct?
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@peldom10 asked "How is baptism [ traditions ] hurting anyone?":
12 problems/traditions/rituals of water Confusion that don't hurt anyone???
Locoponydirtman, you place great importance on Christ's Church. So does the Bible. According to the apostle Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:15, the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. The Church is the very foundation upon which the Truth rests. Like a hardwood pedestal holding up the family Bible, the Church stands throughout the centuries, bearing up and displaying the pure Truth of God, for all the world to see.
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Locoponydirtman
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What you are doing is called gaslighting.
Jesus comdemned those who replaced the command of God with their traditions.
Jesus commanded baptism, replacing that with what ever it is that these people are doing now is equal to what Jesus condemned.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
Matthew 28:18-20 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.28.18-20.NKJV