Why The Star?

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Yahshua

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That is a false and misleading statement. Now note carefully: When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. The Bible could not be any plainer. That star showed the wise men the exact house.
Read your OWN post again.
 

JaumeJ

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It is certain that all who could see the night sky during the days approaching Jesus Yeshua's birth saw the Star placed there by God, but only the Wise men couldunderstand what it was and its dignificance.
 

Yahshua

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And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Use caution when appraising the intention of our Father in creating the bodies of His heavens. There were astrologers even in the early writing os the Old testament. They managed the calendar, knew the holy days , and could read signes from them.
They were NOT slaves to the Zodiac, that came much later and became totally pagan, however the wise men knew how to read siigns when given. How do I know? It is in the Book.. I believe it quite possible, even probable for many believers to also see signs in the latter heartbeats of this age, for certain signs are foretold.

Yes tru astrology had nothing to do with the question, "What' your sign." That is gobblygook.
Exactly. It's the difference between biblical astronomy and pagan astrology. Astronomy tells His story, while astrology is a perversion of people attempting to foretell their own story/fortunes. Everything was made for and about His Son.
 

Yahshua

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No. Why don't you tender an apology for your false and misleading statement?
Lol, you're hilarious, Nehemiah, I tell ya. This place wouldn't be what it is without you.
 

tanakh

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The Star story is a kind of Parable. Its based on Numbers Chapter 24. In particular verse 17

I shall see him but not now. I shall behold him but not nigh there shall come
a star out of Jacob and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel
and shall smite the corners of Moab
and shall destroy all the children of Sheth KJV
 

Webers.Home

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there shall come a star out of Jacob

The star in that verse isn't astronomical, rather, it's human.

Rev 22:16 . . I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright
morning star.

By comparing Isa 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Rev 2:26-28; it can be readily
seen that the Bible's morning stars wield political power.

Num 24:17-19 . . A scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the
foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be
conquered; Seir, his enemy, will be conquered, but Israel will grow strong. A
ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.

Ps 2:7-9 . . I will proclaim The Lord's decree. He said to me: You are my
Son; today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the
nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule
them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.
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tanakh

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The star in that verse isn't astronomical, rather, it's human.

Rev 22:16 . . I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright
morning star.


By comparing Isa 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Rev 2:26-28; it can be readily
seen that the Bible's morning stars wield political power.


Num 24:17-19 . . A scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the
foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be
conquered; Seir, his enemy, will be conquered, but Israel will grow strong. A
ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.


Ps 2:7-9 . . I will proclaim The Lord's decree. He said to me: You are my
Son; today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the
nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule
them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.
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I realize that the Star isn't astronomical that was the main point of my posting.
As I said the whole story is a Parable. Truth is not necessarily the same thing as
facts.
 

Blik

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The only universal conclusion is that no one knows what that star was. God created the earth, God could create a star. It was shown to some foreign nation, we are not even told what nation only "from the East". There is much mystery, and if it was important to know the mysterious, God would have told us.

We ARE to learn from this or God wouldn't have told us about the star. At the time, Israel did not believe in looking to the stars for information but Eastern countries did. This country understood that a mighty king was born, and the star stopped over the head of the baby Christ. Israel did not accept that a king was born, but the king was king of all the nations of the world. That a foreign nation accepted that underlines that Christ is for everyone.

The wise men were asked to take the Israel people to this new king, they then intended to kill him. The wise men didn't do that, but hurried away.
 

Blik

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The Star story is a kind of Parable. Its based on Numbers Chapter 24. In particular verse 17

I shall see him but not now. I shall behold him but not nigh there shall come
a star out of Jacob and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel
and shall smite the corners of Moab
and shall destroy all the children of Sheth KJV
For goodness sakes, scripture is not all a parable, God is straight forward and tells us what we need to know. We need to know that Christ was for the entire world, and God let the world know about his kingship. God's chosen people denied him. So learn what God is telling you and don't come up with your own man made junk about it!

No man has ever known what this star consisted of in earthly terms and if we needed to know God would tell us. Learn what God does tell us!!!
 

Webers.Home

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I've encountered numbers of folk over time who much prefer to treat the
gospels as parables because that way it's anybody's guess what the Bible is
saying and one man's opinion is just as good as another's; which of course
results in debating and perpetual bull sessions that never get to the bottom
of anything.

There are folk who regard the wise men's star as sort of like another chapter
of Pride And Prejudice in a Jane Austen book club where personal
perspectives share equal value, i.e. nobody is right and nobody is wrong
because people in a book club aren't necessarily looking for facts, rather,
just fun, feelings, and camaraderie.
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soberxp

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My understanding is that you can't find the star in the space, because God can create a star that didn't exist or make the star disappear, so this is a special star.
 

Blik

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My understanding is that you can't find the star in the space, because God can create a star that didn't exist or make the star disappear, so this is a special star.
It seems to me that there are things about our world that we don't understand and God is not explaining to us because it is not necessary for us to understand. For example, God didn't give a textbook explanation of how he created the earth, didn't even give an explanation in our kind of time. God is in eternal time, something that is a mystery to us for we have not experienced it. We are to accept that there are mysteries that we don't understand but we can trust God.
 

Qiorgini

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I think religion denies what was respected and valued when biblical events occurred.
 
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Read your OWN post again.
Not an astronomer here. But the "star" as the astronomical time reel evidences was Regulus in conjunction and/or close proximity to Venus for an irregular period of 9 months. No star sat over a specific 12 by 12 foot dwelling. That would defy the laws God set in place. Often secularists insist on specific definitions of a matter just so they can tear apart the straw man. No sale!
 
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The Star story is a kind of Parable. Its based on Numbers Chapter 24. In particular verse 17

I shall see him but not now. I shall behold him but not nigh there shall come
a star out of Jacob and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel
and shall smite the corners of Moab
and shall destroy all the children of Sheth KJV
The star might have been a parable if not for the scientific evidence of a retrograde movement aligning Regulus and Venus(?) for a bizarrely 'coincidental' 9 months!
 

Qiorgini

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I think religion denies what was respected and valued when biblical events occurred.
I think that even then, people calculated the numbers of fate and knew the purpose of a person in advance. And in many statements of the biblical prophets, the influence of numerology is noticeable trulydivine.com. It is strange to me to observe how zealously the current religious figures deny these facts. But I'm sure they will soon realize that they have denied the obvious all this time.
 

Aaron56

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God using the heavens for signs is quite elementary:

Luke 21:25,26 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

Genesis 1:14 "Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years..."


Constellations had names in Old Testament times. Astronomers in the day of Mary and Joseph would have watched the stars for such things as they had for centuries before. People of the earth could discern from the changes in the stars and heavens that significant events were occurring on the earth even if they did not understand their full meaning.