Why is Christian anything terrible?

[Tintin]

That's your opinion. There's good stuff if you look hard.

 

[jimmydiggs]

That's your opinion. There's good stuff if you look hard.

Yes, and much of it is old.

EDIT: Not very hip n' kewl either.

 

[Tintin]

What are you considering old? What sort of music do you even listen too? If you're talking praise and worship and pop, yes, much of it is samey. But there are so many other genres out there.

 

[Stephen63]

Speaking of K-love, I really would wish that they'd get rid of all those silly garage bands whose parents "just happen" to be major contributors!!! Now that I've got that off my chest, I feel much better!

 

[jimmydiggs]

What are you considering old?

If you want to go for the oldest you should try singing the Psalms. They are inspired by God, and lovely.

What sort of music do you even listen too?

Mostly Christian, but I occaisonally will indulge in non-Christian music.

If you're talking praise and worship and pop, yes, much of it is samey.

Worse than being the same, much of it is heretical and very me-me-me...

But there are so many other genres out there.

Sure, and many of the genre's aren't much better when it comes to quality, and content. Especially content.

 

[TosinAsLeader]

That's your opinion. There's good stuff if you look hard.

Not enough to stop me from listening to secular music. However, Extol ( I mentioned a thousand times) is a good band

 

[Tintin]

I never asked you to stop listening to non-Christian music. I enjoy quite a bit of it myself.

Jimmy, okay. It seems like you're feeling disagreeable and don't like to talk about this too much. Sorry I asked.

 

[Stephen63]

I know a lot of the problem is the people "behind the scenes" so to speak, in christian media. I've read several interviews with members of bands that started out christian, but were rejected by labels because the executives didn't think their lyrics were christian enough, Lifehouse I know was one of those bands. They even started out as a worship band, and while the lyrics over the years have mostly turned to love songs I felt like their first album did reflect at least some christian background.
I think the push for being "christian enough" is a horrible attitude. If they're solely focusing on the content, and less concerned with the actual quality, then yeah, it's going to get neglected and be unoriginal. It's like all the christian bands there used to be that were literally nothing more than a christian rip-off or take on a non-christian band, and that's exactly what the label had in mind. There was 40DT who was the christian Limp Bizkit, another band (I can't think of the name) was a christian metallica. TFK started out as a christian rage against the machine. The producers were so focused on putting a christian message to the style of something non-christian they didn't really care or not if it actually sounded good.

While I agree with most of your comments zaoman32, I can't quite agree with this one. When it comes to Christian music, content is everything. I do agree that record companies do interfere with the industry, but not for the same reasons. Some of the major Christian record labels have been bought out by worldly companies who only want to push their personal agenda to "neutralize" the effect that Christian music has on the masses. I've heard of some artists who had to sideline their career for a few years because their label wanted them to sing songs they didn't believe in and act and dress trashy onstage. Praise God for those who refuse to lower their standards!

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy, okay. It seems like you're feeling disagreeable and don't like to talk about this too much. Sorry I asked.

Did I not respond according to your preference? As I said, a lot of music that is popular among evangelicals today is very self-centered and often quite heretical. David Crowder would be an example from one genre.

 

[Stephen63]

Did I not respond according to your preference? As I said, a lot of music that is popular among evangelicals today is very self-centered and often quite heretical. David Crowder would be an example from one genre.

I have to agree, especially in praise and worship music. Anything to make me feel good. Many of us agree when it comes to Christian media when I say much of tele-evangelism has gone to the dogs. It's strange that most Christians don't see the same thing in Christian music, because it's running parallel with them.

 

[Tintin]

Sorry, the impression I received was that you were trying to dodge the questions. Also, David Crowder - really? I agree some praise and worship music is rather self-centered, but certainly not all. No harm done, brother.

Did I not respond according to your preference? As I said, a lot of music that is popular among evangelicals today is very self-centered and often quite heretical. David Crowder would be an example from one genre.

 

[Grey]

I suppose the reason people dislike christian "anything", like music, clothing, or anything else based off of the mainstream is because for example, Christian music takes instruments, and even rythm from the mainstream music. If you've listened to any type of mainstream music, typically an artist doesn't focus on one particular subject, and allows for contoversy in their lyrics. While Christian music is typically (by all means not every single time) worship god god god praise god god god god is great etc.

I can see how it could get stale so quickly for the average Joe.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Sorry, the impression I received was that you were trying to dodge the questions. Also, David Crowder - really?

Have you ever paid attention to who and what he is involved with?

I agree some praise and worship music is rather self-centered, but certainly not all.

Not some, most. To the extent that I'm not going to take the time to filter it.

No harm done, brother.

Oh, there is plenty in this stuff. You are what you eat, physically and spiritually.


Also, Hillsing United comes from this group: Hillsong Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <--- click

Hillsong is not an "o"rthodox church.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

The issue in my opinion isn't with the quality, there are many very talented Christian artists out there no doubt. I think that much of it is simply lacking in originality.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

The issue in my opinion isn't with the quality, there are many - artists out there no doubt. I think that much of it is simply lacking in originality.

I'm inclined to say that musical adroitness eludes the industry anymore, not selective genres or artists. Up and comers seem seldom adept in musical theory and practical application, and it makes for a very one dimensional show.

 

[acesneverwin]

I don't think it's lack of originality... More like studios produce and sell what sells... And there is an audience for bad Christian films and music cause many will watch/listen just because its labeled Christian and makes em feel good. And if cheap quality sells, why work harder for something better when the return on investment may not be as good? Also, most Christian stuff aims at the lowest common denominator to keep all peeps happy and not offend anyone. No Christian studio would EVER make something like the Passion. I think any creative ideas and such are probably subbed either because it doesn't fit in that narrow tunnel of what a Christian film should be.

With music... It's out there ya just gotta look hard. Some genres aren't really popular even in secular circles so GOOD Christian counter parts are almost impossible to find. But anyway...

 

[OceanGrl]

really isnt any creativity in music period anymore. don't matter if we are talking Christian music, or mainstream rock.

what really annoys me is is how 1/3'rd of my FM Broadcast dial is "religious" most of it klove or air-one. but thats a whole other topic

I think there's plenty of creativity in music, moreso in the secular world than Christian. But than again, it depends on what type of music you like.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

It seems that people forget that all musicians don't exactly put out the sort of music that they'd always like. There are producers and executives that they have to collaborate with while making albums. If they don't fit the "mold" of what the label wants, then they most likely are dropped after one album or never get signed in the first place, which is probably why there are so many great bands that are left to the sounds of the underground. This goes back to what I said about the content lacking originality.

I think it is unfair to blame the artists when they have bosses which expect them to perform to a standard just like any other average Joe working a 9-5 job.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Fair enough, and I agree that label's are the root of it. Some artists simply lack the affinity as well.

 

[Blue3Falcon]

I totaly dissagree on the music bit. Christian music has come a long way, and if you look hard enough you'll find some awesome bands! Some of it's repetitve yeah, but a lot of it is original, way more original then the stupid stuff on the secular radio stations. As for movies, yes they are very cheesy and a lot of times the acting is bad. But that is cause it's still a growing industry. Only now have christian movies started to really take off. That means more money will get put towards them, better actors will be in them and the story lines won't be so cheesy. It just takes time for things to get going. Christian music used to only ever be gospel music until people started using other styles. Give it all time!