Why do we celebrate Christmas?

[JohnDB]

With ALL of these holidays...
Christ has conquered them all.
Even Halloween.

Usually people look at you funny when you give presents for no particular reason. But Christmas and Easter and Halloween give me license to be my normal self...I can cook and bake treats or cook a nice dinner for people and it's acceptable.

There's no one that doesn't know that Christmas is Jesus's birthday. Or what Easter is about...at least that's true in the USA. Dunno about the rest of the world.

A reason to celebrate, to offer Thanksgiving, and to share joy is always a good thing.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Christmas is a pagan version of Hanukkah, which was the day of Jesus’s CONCEPTION - not birth! And Santa Claus is a false idol, don’t ever forget that.

 

[Mii]

But it's each to their own, everyone has to adjudge what God expects of them in this matter....but for me, answering the OP's question, I can't see a need to observe Christmas, and I don't think the Lord requires me to observe it...

Agreed for sure.

It's hard for me because it doesn't seem to make a difference for family despite a person's objections. Especially when remaining firm on one's convictions.

The problem is I don't think God wants me to be uptight and "pharasaical" about that stuff but neither to embrace it. I'm still figuring out how to interact with family on these issues myself.

I did just "remember" Passover with my sister's family and my parents and it was quite basic...just unleavened bread, sparkling grape juice, bitter herbs and lamb. Well also some potatoes and broccoli but we did go over the story and blended it with Old and New Testament illustrations and I found it quite agreeable. So a double remembrance in a way.

I've done a Seder with all the "Jewishness" of it and a lot of that is extrabiblical, even though it does point to scripture in detail (and it is interesting in that) there are a couple of things that aren't Christian (Like the Elijah thing) so I'm fine to have done it once.


Yes there is an egg thing planned 36ish hours from now by the same group but it's unclear to me. I feel weird about it in general and it is unclear to me at this time, other than that I don't like the discomfort.

I know you said that you haven't seen it work as a Christian outreach opportunity but it makes sense that it can so I can't fully "knock it". I've been to churches that have buses running on that day so I don't know how I could say 100% that there is no fruit or purpose. Sometimes 10x the amount of people are at church on that particular day so maybe it does something for those who are already feeling drawn and need that extra compelling? Not sure. I know I've felt compelled on such days but I can't tell you what spirit that is really. I don't see why it'd be the enemy "easily" but it's a possibility much like for some people going to church one day of the week gives them a pat on the back and eases their conscience for the rest of their week (sunday christians) so there is that and I could go more into depth on that...albeit clumsily as I'm still in the process of grasping the psychology of it. Indeed, it may be that it isn't really possibly to fully grasp and I just have to "work out my own salvation" when it comes to stuff like that. It is something I ponder though.

Anyway, I do agree that it would cause some confusion among children already going to church or even adults for that matter.

I personally would probably prime people and take a vote on how to address the issue as a body as each local assembly is different. Some have designated outreach days that make use of people showing up on certain days and unless it's addressed from the get go, it'd be hard (though not impossible) to disestablish.

I think there can be alternatives without blending or whitewashing but maybe what I perceive as viable to that end may be simply similar and yet possibly more difficult to see as amiss because it's "closer" to the mark but still missing the target? Possible. Certainly I pray for more clarity on this front.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Christmas is a pagan version of Hanukkah, which was the day of Jesus’s CONCEPTION - not birth! And Santa Claus is a false idol, don’t ever forget that.

Your daily life is filled with pagan traditions, do your speak out about those too? Do you engage in those? I've yet to see a single anti-holiday ranter follow through and take action against all the pagan traditions that are daily around them, or even they involve themselves in.

 

[Magenta]

Thanksgiving (in context of scripture) is a great thing to focus on.

Thanksgiving was started by the Christians who came to America from England on the Mayflower in 1620

 

[stilllearning]

When it comes to Christmas or any holiday. For one I find that they are ok to celebrate and remember the Lord on. One of the warnings of God was when they came into the land they would forget him. So certain holidays just serve as different times during the year that we set aside time to remember the Lord.

I find nothing wrong with repurposing former pagan holidays. Since the biggest repurpose by God is removing us from the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of light. God has repurposed us. As well as the city of David where God decided to put his name was formerly owned by the Jebusites and God repurposed that.

The bible is plain the earth is the Lords and fullness thereof. As Paul said on eating meat offered to idols what is a idol. The meat and the wood or metal or stone it is made from still belongs to God since he was the creator and he owns the earth and all he created in it.

I myself would take the path that if I celebrate a holiday and it cause my brother to stumble I would not do so in his presence or mention so. As far as repurposing stuff for God I have no problem doing that since the promise land was repurposed by God and given to the Hebrews as a place of his glory for his name in the OT. Till even today the way the Lord repurposes us from one kingdom to another.

So I would say each do as your conscience allows and I would find no condemnation of either whether to celebrate certain holidays we have made over into Christian holidays or to avoid them. Each according to ones conscience.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Your daily life is filled with pagan traditions, do your speak out about those too? Do you engage in those? I've yet to see a single anti-holiday ranter follow through and take action against all the pagan traditions that are daily around them, or even they involve themselves in.

No other pagan traditions I can think of is being commercialized and promoted as much as Christmas, Hallmark built its entire business upon the celebration of Christmas. This holiday is turned into a cash cow to make big bucks.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

No other pagan traditions I can think of is being commercialized and promoted as much as Christmas, Hallmark built its entire business upon the celebration of Christmas. This holiday is turned into a cash cow to make big bucks.

Wedding ceremonies. Wedding rings. Names of the days of the week. Nah, nothing as commercialized or promoted.

 

[Genipher]

Your daily life is filled with pagan traditions, do your speak out about those too? Do you engage in those? I've yet to see a single anti-holiday ranter follow through and take action against all the pagan traditions that are daily around them, or even they involve themselves in.

Ah, I see. We're justified in purposely engaging in pagan traditions as long as there are other aspects of life that are also pagan that can't necessarily be avoided.
Got it.

 

[Oblio]

The pagan festival of Saturnalia was around December 25. Christmas replaced it.
Evidence shows that it is possible that Christ was born during the autumn Jewish festival of Sukkot, though no one is sure.
We celebrate our Lord's birth because he was born to save us from our sins.

" 10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors." - Isaiah 53:10-12

 

[kinda]

perhaps this was what I needed to know lol. not the first poll.

okay well peeps. Im not confused about this, but I just need facts --im doin somethin. its kinda like a survey perhaps you can help me hehe

Christmas is a Catholic Holiday and not a Biblical one. Although, many will claim it is. Was Jesus born? Absolutely, but the wise men gave presents to Jesus, not among themselves.

Christmas is an abbreviation of Christ and Mass, a mass is a Catholic Church service. The origins of December 25th has heathen roots, but decide for yourselves, and most importantly, do your own research.

10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+10:1-10&version=KJV

 

[Live4Him2]

I wrote something about New Year's Day and Christmas years ago.

I'll just cut and paste it here for your consideration before the Lord.

“Happy Holidays”?

“It’s the holiday season”?

“Jesus is the reason for the season”?

“Keep Christ in Christmas”?

“Happy New Year”?

If any of you have ever found yourselves saying any of the above, then you’re officially duped, and helping to dupe others as well.

Please allow me to explain.

For starters, the word “holiday” is a compound word which literally means “holy day”:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=holiday

holiday (n.)

1500s, earlier haliday (c. 1200), from Old English haligdæg "holy day, consecrated day, religious anniversary; Sabbath," from halig "holy" (see holy) + dæg "day" (see day); in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of exemption from labor and recreation," but pronunciation and sense diverged 16c.

So, are Christmas and New Year’s Day truly holidays or holy days?

Not in God’s holy sight.

Not even close.

In fact, they’re two of the most Satanic/demonic days on our calendar out here in the West as I’m about to document.

Let’s begin with New Year’s Day.

Is January 1st really the beginning of a new year?

The correct answer to this question is a resounding “NO!”

Let’s use our God-given brains, and let's strongly consider the following realities.

September is the so-called ninth month on our calendar, yet the prefix “sept” clearly has to do with the number seven, as when a woman gives birth to seven children at the same time or to septuplets.

October is the so-called tenth month on our calendar, yet the prefix “oct” clearly has to do with the number eight, as in octopus, octagon, or octave.

November is the so-called eleventh month on our calendar, yet the prefix “novem” clearly has to do with the number nine, and it is from this prefix that Roman Catholics derive their word novena, which is a nine-day devotion of prayers and services:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=novena

novena (n.)

in Catholicism, "devotions consisting of special prayers or services on nine successive days," 1745, from Medieval Latin novena, fem. of Latin novenus "ninefold," from novem "nine" (see nine).

December is the so-called twelfth month on our calendar, yet the prefix “dec” clearly has to do with the number ten, as in decade, decimal, or decalogue (the Ten Commandments).

In fact, our so-called seventh month, July, used to be called Quintilis, which literally means fifth, before the pagan Romans changed its name to July in honor of Julius Caesar:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=july

July

seventh month, c. 1050, Iulius, from Anglo-French julie, Old French Juil, Jule (Modern French uses a diminutive, Juillet) and directly from Latin Iulius "fifth month of the Roman calendar" (which began its year in March), renamed after his death and deification in honor of Gaius Julius Caesar, who was born in this month. In republican Rome it had been Quintilis, literally "fifth."

The same reality exists in relation to our so-called eighth month, August, which used to be called Sextilis, which literally means sixth, until the pagan Romans changed its name to August in honor of Augustus Caesar:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=august

August

eighth month, late 11c., from Latin Augustus (mensis), sixth month of the later Roman calendar, renamed from Sextilis (literally "sixth") in 8 B.C.E. to honor emperor Augustus Caesar, literally "Venerable Caesar" (see august (adj.), and compare Augustus). One of two months given new names to honor Roman leaders (July being the other), the Romans also gave new imperial names to September (Germanicus) and October (Domitian) but these did not stick.

And what about leap year?

Have you ever wondered why leap year occurs at the end of February, our so-called second month, and not at the end of December, our so-called twelfth month?

The reason is pretty obvious, folks.

In reality, July is the fifth month, August is the sixth month, September is the seventh month, October is the eighth month, November is the ninth month, December is the tenth month, January is the eleventh month, and February is the twelfth month, and this is precisely why leap year falls at the end of February because that is when the year truly ends.

With these realities before us, we should all understand that the new year truly begins in March, or in the Springtime, and not about a week and a half into Winter on January 1st.

In fact, God told us that the new year begins in the Springtime.

In relation to the same, we read:

Exodus chapter 12

[1] And the LORD spoke unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
[2] This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
[3] Speak you unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for a house:
[4] And if the household is too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: you shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

So, according to God’s word, which “month shall be unto you the beginning of months” or which month “shall be the first month of the year to you” (vs. 2)?

Well, it’s the month in which the feast of Passover occurs (vss. 3-6), and that month is the month of Nisan on the Hebrew calendar, which originally was called Abib.

Continuing on just a little bit, we read:

Exodus chapter 13

[3] And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which you came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
[4] This day came you out in the month Abib.

Again, Abib is now called Nisan:

https://wikidiff.com/abib/nissan

As a proper noun, Abib is the first month of the Jewish ecclesiastical year, corresponding nearly to the Gregorian April. After the Babylonish captivity, this month was called Nisan.

How does the month of Abib/Nisan correspond to our calendar out here in the West?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisan

Nisan (or Nissan; Hebrew: נִיסָן‎, Standard Nīsan, Tiberian Nīsān) in the Hebrew and the Babylonian calendars, is the month of the barley ripening and first month of spring. The name of the month is an Akkadian language borrowing, although ultimately originates in Sumerian nisag "first fruits". In the Hebrew calendar it is the first month of the ecclesiastical year, called the "first of the months of the year" (Book of Exodus 12:1-2), "first month" (Ex 12:14), and the month of Aviv (Ex 13:4) בְּחֹ֖דֶשׁ הָאָבִֽיב ḥōḏeš hā-’āḇîḇ). It is called Nisan in the Book of Esther in the Tanakh and later in the Talmud, which calls it the "New Year", Rosh HaShana, for kings and pilgrimages. It is a month of 30 days. Nisan usually falls in March–April on the Gregorian calendar.

As we just read, “Nisan usually falls in March-April on the Gregorian calendar” that we are using out here in the West, and this is because the new year truly begins in the Springtime, and not about a week and a half into the Winter on January 1st.

Again, this is reality, whether anybody likes it or not.

If all of this is true, and it is, then how in the world did January allegedly become the first month of the year, and what does any of this have to do with Satan or demons?

I’m glad that you asked.

In case you’re not already aware of this, the pagan Romans named the month of January after their pagan god Janus:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=january

January (n.)

late 13c., Ieneuer (early 12c. in Anglo-French), from Old North French Genever, Old French Jenvier (Modern French Janvier), from Latin Ianuarius (mensis) "(the month) of Janus" (q.v.), to whom the month was sacred as the beginning of the year according to later Roman reckoning (cognates: Italian Gennaio, Provençal Genovier, Spanish Enero, Portuguese Janeiro).

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[Live4Him2]

(Continued from my previous post)

Here is why the month of January or the month of Janus was sacred to them:

https://www.andersonlock.com/blog/god-doors/

Who is Janus?

It seems like the ancient Romans had a god or goddess for everything: Poseidon, god of the sea; Venus, goddess of love and beauty; and Apollo, god of the sun. (Just to name a few. Other well-known Roman gods include Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Orcus, Ceres, Juno, Luna Diana, and Vesta.) And then there’s Janus, a lesser-known god, but arguably one of the most important.

In Roman mythology, Janus was the god of doors, gates, and transitions. Janus represented the middle ground between both concrete and abstract dualities such as life/death, beginning/end, youth/adulthood, rural/urban, war/peace, and barbarism/civilization.

Janus was known as the initiator of human life, transformations between stages of life, and shifts from one historical era to another. Ancient Romans believed Janus ruled over life events such as weddings, births, and deaths. He oversaw seasonal events such as planting, harvests, seasonal changes, and the new year.

According to Roman mythology, Janus was present at the beginning of the world. As the god of gates, Janus guarded the gates of heaven and held access to heaven and other gods. For this reason, Janus was often invoked first in ancient Roman religious ceremonies, and during public sacrifices, offerings were given to Janus before any other deity. In fact, there is evidence that Janus was worshipped long before many of the other Roman gods, dating all the way back to the time of Romulus (the founder and first ruler of Rome).

And if you’ve ever wondered how the month of January got its name, you have Janus to thank. As the Roman god of beginnings and transitions, Janus is the namesake of January, the first month of a new year.

Well, there you have it, folks.

As we just read, the pagan Romans not only named the month of January after their pagan god Janus, but they also made January the first month of the year because Janus is the Roman god of beginnings and transitions, as in beginning or transitioning into a new year.

Meditate upon this reality the next time that you think to wish someone a “Happy New Year” on January 1st.

As if this wasn’t bad enough already, the pagan Romans were also into gematria or numerology, and, as a direct result of the same, they understood a thing or two about Satan.

For example, the first time that Satan’s name appears in the Bible is in the Old Testament, which was originally written in Hebrew, and the pagan Romans knew that each of the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet have a corresponding numerical value attached to them, even as certain letters in their own alphabet have corresponding numerical values attached to them as well (Roman numerals).

You can view the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet and their corresponding numerical values here (you’ll just need to scroll down a little after following the link):

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...jvoaa1289Pi4h0sR0i9VwpplFD3aCMCt6XKheAyd2cQbA

There are no vowels in the Hebrew alphabet, only consonants, and, therefore, Satan’s name consists of only three letters in the Hebrew language.

Those three letters, which you can easily find on the chart that I just linked to, and their corresponding numerical values are as follows:

Nun = 50
Tes = 9
Shin = 300

Unlike English, which is read from left to right, Hebrew is read from right to left. Notice, therefore, the S, T, and N at the beginning of each letter because this is how the name SaTaN was actually formed.

Seeing how we have the numerical values of the Hebrew letters which comprise Satan’s name, let’s do a little basic addition, okay?

Let’s see now…

50 + 9 + 300 = 359

Hey, the numerical value of Satan’s name is 359.

Gee, I wonder what the 359th day on our calendar out here in the West is?

There’s no need to guess.

December 31st = 365
December 30th = 364
December 29th = 363
December 28th = 362
December 27th = 361
December 26th = 360

A drumroll, please…

December 25th = 359, the number of Satan’s name.

Coincidence?

Not at all.

The pagan Romans, who were into numerology, and who worshipped both Satan and the Sun, knew exactly what they were doing when they altered God’s actual calendar.

Let’s now take a good look at Christmas.

Like the word “holiday” that we looked at earlier, the word “Christmas” is also a compound word, and it literally means “Christ Mass”:

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=christmas

Christmas (n.)

"Church festival observed annually in memory of the birth of Christ," late Old English Cristes mæsse, from Christ (and retaining the original vowel sound) + mass (n.2).

If you don’t know what a Mass is, then it’s a pagan Roman Catholic church ritual, which has absolutely no basis in scripture whatsoever, during which Jesus Christ is allegedly crucified afresh as the bread and the wine allegedly mystically change into his literal body and blood.

That’s a bunch of baloney, plain and simple, but, for now, just ask yourselves this simple question:

Why would a day which allegedly celebrates Christ’s BIRTH have a name, Christmas, or literally Christ Mass, which is clearly associated with his DEATH?

Sorry (not really) to make you think, but it will do you good to actually engage your God-given brains more often.

Let’s cut to the chase, shall we?

Christ Mass is a totally pagan holiday or holy day which is directly linked to both Satan and Sun worship.

I already briefly touched upon the Satanic part, so let’s focus our attention now on the Sun worshipping part.

As I mentioned earlier, the pagan Romans were into Sun worship, and they held feasts in honor of the Sun.

One such feast was held in honor of Sol Invictus, which literally means “Unconquered Sun”:

https://www.thecolchesterarchaeologist.co.uk/?p=22534

25th December: the Roman festival of sun god Sol Invictus

Today (25th December) is the day in the later Roman empire when people celebrated the winter solstice and the birthday of the sun god Sol Invictus: the day was called ‘dies natalis Invicti’. Sol Invictus (the ‘unconquered sun’ or ‘unconquerable sun’) drove a racing-chariot (quadriga) drawn by four horses. The Romans interpreted the sun as Sol racing his quadriga across the sky from sunrise to sunset. Sol was associated with Luna, the goddess of the moon, who drove a chariot (biga) drawn by two horses.

As we just read, the pagan Romans considered December 25th to be the birthday of the sun god Sol Invictus, and his alleged birthday was directly related to the Winter Solstice or to the shortest day of the year in which the Sun shone the least.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice fell on December 22nd, and you can verify that for yourselves here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiec...EDllmdFwxKxeEmHiuOlD6hC3bA3nVv1YV788ltcZfzCrk

The Sun worshipping pagan Romans associated the Winter Solstice with the dying of the Sun, since it was the shortest day of the year, and they therefore celebrated the birth of the Sun, or the birth of the “Unconquered Sun”, three days later on December 25th as the Sun began to return in its strength.

Later, the pagan Roman Catholic church changed this totally pagan celebration of the alleged birth of the Sun into the alleged birth of the Son, or into the alleged day of Jesus’ birth, and that’s what Christmas or Christ Mass is really all about.

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(Continued from my previous post)

Folks, I won’t take the time to document it in this post, but I can assure you that everything in scripture points directly to a Springtime birth of Jesus Christ.

He definitely was not born in the Wintertime, and he most definitely was not born on December 25th…the 359th day on our calendar which is directly associated with Satan and Sun worship, and not with Jesus Christ.

Don’t let popular Christmas carols like “The First Noel” brainwash you into believing that Jesus was born “on a cold Winter's night that was so deep” because that's an absolute lie.

Furthermore, don’t believe that Jesus was visited by three kings (“We Three Kings”) because he wasn’t, nor should you believe that the Magi visited Jesus while he was lying in the manger, as is regularly depicted in so-called “Nativity scenes”, because, according to scripture, they didn’t visit Jesus until he was around two years old and living in a house.

Matthew chapter 2

[1] Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
[2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[6] And you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of you shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
[7] Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
[8] And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when you have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
[9] When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
[10] When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
[11] And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
[12] And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
[13] And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be you there until I bring you word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
[14] When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
[15] And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
[16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Yes, even as we just read, the wise men didn’t encounter Jesus until he was a “young child” (vss. 8-9, 11, 13-14), and until he was in “the house” (vs. 11). For this cause, Herod had all of the children “from two years old and under” slain “according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men”.

With such realities before us, remove the wise men from your nativity scenes. Better still, get rid of your nativity scenes altogether because God considers them to be idolatrous graven images anyway.

And don’t even get me started on such things as mistletoe, yule logs, Christmas trees, etc., etc., which are all directly related to pagan practices surrounding the worship of false gods and the Sun which God hates.

If you want a good introductory course as to when the Bible says Jesus was actually born, then I heartily recommend the following video to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SiSSluc6d0

Well, needless to say, I haven’t celebrated either of these two pagan holidays for approximately the last 33 years (Easter is another totally pagan holiday or holy day), and you should all reconsider your own participation in such celebrations…especially if any of you call yourselves Christians.

Seriously, folks, if you honestly believe that this world, which is totally hostile towards Jesus Christ and is rapidly heading towards a "New World Order" which will ultimately be governed by none other than the long-prophesied antichrist, has set apart a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus, then you really need to wake up from your deep, deep slumber.

Anyhow, I’ve faithfully given you all some things to hopefully seriously ponder in this world full of deception.

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.

 

[kaijo]

Shortly after the Great Flood When Nimrod was King of Babylon he was also ruler of the known world at the time. He had a wife named Semiramis. And when Nimrod died Semiramis resumed the full power and authority of Nimrod and she caused him to become the first man in history to become deified (that is to spread the word that Nimrod had ascended to become the Sun god after death).

In fear of losing control over the nations of the world Semiramis made herself pregnant and proclaimed that Nimrod, the now 'Sun god', had impregnated her through the rays of the sun. And that the child who would be born would actually be Nimrod 'reincarnated'.

When the child was born she named him Tammuz. Who was now revered as Nimrod reincarnated and became the new king of the known world. Semiramis and her baby son Tammuz had an incestrial relationship. This is where the baby 'Cupid' and 'Valentines Day' originate from. Thru the incestrial relationship between baby Tammuz and his mother. This is also the true origin of the 'mother/baby child' worship of the Catholic church. They disguise it as being Mary and Jesus. But that is only a front for its orginial/true representation of Semiramis and baby Tammuz.

Tammuz was born on the 25th of December. And Semiramis proclaimed it a 'holy day'. A day that MUST be worshiped and celebrated by all peoples and nations of the world at that time. Anyone who did not celebrate Tammuz birthday of Dec 25th would be sentenced to death. This is where 'Christmas' orginated from.

The whole world once again has been eargly decieved. Dec 25th is not the Lords 'birthday'. And anyone who has an ear to hear and eyes to see should not celebrate it imo.

 

[JohnDB]

Shortly after the Great Flood When Nimrod was King of Babylon he was also ruler of the known world at the time. He had a wife named Semiramis. And when Nimrod died Semiramis resumed the full power and authority of Nimrod and she caused him to become the first man in history to become deified (that is to spread the word that Nimrod had ascended to become the Sun god after death).

In fear of losing control over the nations of the world Semiramis made herself pregnant and proclaimed that Nimrod, the now 'Sun god', had impregnated her through the rays of the sun. And that the child who would be born would actually be Nimrod 'reincarnated'.

When the child was born she named him Tammuz. Who was now revered as Nimrod reincarnated and became the new king of the known world. Semiramis and her baby son Tammuz had an incestrial relationship. This is where the baby 'Cupid' and 'Valentines Day' originate from. Thru the incestrial relationship between baby Tammuz and his mother. This is also the true origin of the 'mother/baby child' worship of the Catholic church. They disguise it as being Mary and Jesus. But that is only a front for its orginial/true representation of Semiramis and baby Tammuz.

Tammuz was born on the 25th of December. And Semiramis proclaimed it a 'holy day'. A day that MUST be worshiped and celebrated by all peoples and nations of the world at that time. Anyone who did not celebrate Tammuz birthday of Dec 25th would be sentenced to death. This is where 'Christmas' orginated from.

The whole world once again has been eargly decieved. Dec 25th is not the Lords 'birthday'. And anyone who has an ear to hear and eyes to see should not celebrate it imo.

More power to you...
But just hide in the closet because you will get run over by the throngs celebrating God's gift to us of his Son.

If every day is special, then no day is special. And if no day is reserved...then we forget to celebrate.

And I like Christmas, everyone extends a bit more grace and charity and kindness during that time of year. And considering the current state of affairs...we could use some of that.

And if Naaman could celebrate God's gift of curing his leprosy by kneeling on some Israeli dirt during the Old Covenant....

Then I don't think God will mind my celebrating Christmas claiming it's His birthday.

 

[Genipher]

Then I don't think God will mind my celebrating Christmas claiming it's His birthday.

You don't think He would mind you celebrating a lie?

 

[JohnDB]

You don't think He would mind you celebrating a lie?

Nope. Not in the least.

Paul, when writing: "Therefore, there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those in Christ Jesus." it's a massive understatement. (You have to understand what comes before the "therefore")

It's also the central focus of "...upon this rock I will build my church..." as told by Matthew.

I don't give a fig or half a thought about any phoney gods.
My God, My Jesus...I live for them as a slave. And the Laws for me are written on my heart. God wrote them...not men and not me. The Battles I fight are not started by others...it's the war within that I concern myself the most with.

I bake so many gingerbread houses each year they can make a subdivision. But kids, with their parents helping, decorate one every year. Giving them a gift that will last a lifetime...because fond memories over Christmas are based on the getting ready for Christmas and not the junk under the tree.

I don't see any evil in that.

 

[JohnDB]

Not to mention....

We can't say God's proper name in English...it can't exist due to grammar constraints of parts the English language doesn't own.

Nevermind the other names we butcher....including Jesus's own name.

But God is patient, good and kind. He's not there to zap you instantly for every screw up.

 

[Genipher]

Not to mention....

We can't say God's proper name in English...it can't exist due to grammar constraints of parts the English language doesn't own.

Nevermind the other names we butcher....including Jesus's own name.

But God is patient, good and kind. He's not there to zap you instantly for every screw up.

Okay. But, again, us not being able to properly say His name is much different than willingly celebrating something that is steeped in pagan roots. Can you imagine if Gideon had told God, "You know this high place you want torn down? I think we can just turn it into a holy place for you, and it'll be all good." No. God doesn't want us to take those evil, pagan things and twist them into a weird sort of worship towards Him.

I get we can have "fond memories" about xmas. People also get "fond memories" from the premarital sex they've engaged in. Some get "fond memories" from stealing. Others have "fond memories" of doing horrendous things. Does that make it okay as long as we're only worshiping Yahweh while we do them? There is no condemnation to those that are in Christ...so that gives us freedom to do whatever we want, as long as it's in His name? That's what I'm getting from this whole thread.

Saturnalia/Christmas...a rose by any other name...changing the names and making it "Christian" doesn't make it so.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.