Why do we call the Father, the Creator ..when the Son should have that title also?

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SAME ESSENCE is the entire key here!

The [WORD] is the "same essence" as the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the "same essence" as the Word and the Father.
The Father is the "same essence" as the Word and Holy Spirit.

Basically, the "same essence" means GOD!
The Father is God
The Word is God
The Holy Spirit is God
But there is only ONE GOD.

Best Verse in John shows us an example of "same essence":
The WORD said, if You see ME you are seeing the Father, if you see the Father you are seeing Me.
Paul called it Express Image!

It's God whether you call Him Father, Word, Holy Spirit!
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Do you remember the specific post number?
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pittsburghjoe said:
Yes, it makes sense. I took it a step further after pottersclay wrote that. The reason we can't see God the Father is because He is in a higher dimension than what we can perceive. Christ is His representation for these lower dimensions. The plan and design are handed to Christ and He makes them happen with the Word.
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Pilgrimshope said:
amen it reminds Me of this instruction by the beloved by many , apostle Paul for edification amongst us

“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:15-17‬ ‭

I really am seeing edification and am thankful for it I think the secret is like your saying to just express the thkngs in our faith right or wrong and in the discussion process of we’re paying attention to what others are saying as well as what we have said I believe edification is much easier to accept and see

and brings to form our beliefs together as we let go of pride and thinking we can make it alone or don’t need the hands and feet of the body because we see ourselves a mouth a mouth can’t move or walk but legs can , legs can’t speak but a mouth can we need one another because love for one another and unity through the bond of peace is the engine that drives the church
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I agree with you. The Lord has granted, to me, a very specific and essential Doctrine . . . I see it very plainly, though very few do. That said, I am much ignorant about the Bible as a whole. And while I would say that this Doctrine that I have mentioned, is the Core of the Bible, I am still able to say that I know very little of it as a whole. It is this way that I am able to say that I need the thoughts and ideas of others so as to hold a more complete picture of the Lord's Perfect Plan.

I need others. That's all there is to it. But what I do not need is another (equal) human attempting to belittle or berate me with words and evil attitude. Anyone that tries to affect my Conscience, the very way in which I feel about myself, that is not a person worth spending any time until they have grown and are able to hold a mature conversation.
 
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So how does the Holy Spirit fit in? I get the Holy Spirit is in us, but I think the Spirit may be more involved than that. Like connected to matter and waves. Or maybe something to do with Time. Did the Holy Spirit take the Word from Christ and turn it into what we have right now?
 
Is the Holy Spirit known for Power and Love?

Is the Holy Spirit the Universal Wave and Universal Observer? Does the Holy Spirit cause wave collapse?

Is the Holy Spirit the reason the Holy Trinity is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent?
 
pittsburghjoe said:
Is the Holy Spirit known for Power and Love?
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To this question, I would say that my immediate studies have led me to believe that the Holy Spirit is one of the four major "Works" of Christ.

1. Jesus Grants the Ability to Repent.
2. Jesus lifts (cuts out) the Sinful Nature from the Human Heart.
3. Jesus died to pay the Penalty for Sin.
4. Jesus sends the Holy Spirit, hence, the "Gift" of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit, however, then issues specific gifts on "His" own, namely, the Fruits of the Spirit.

We MUST know and understand all four of those "Works" of Christ above, particularly that of the Spiritual Circumcision, for this is the Heart of the Gospel, which is why the Bible is concerned about the Heart first and foremost.
 
I think the Holy Spirit is a bigger deal than a "Works".

The Holy Spirit creator:

30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30 KJV)​
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The Triune God, the one that spoke and commanded, the Word/Son of God made the universe and by the Holy Spirit (breath of God) too:

6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.​
(Psalm 33:6-9 KJV)​
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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.​
(Genesis 1:1-3 KJV)​
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via Lucha Tijuanera
 
pittsburghjoe said:
I'm all for Christ being the Creator also. I'm asking why the Church has specified the Father as the Creator when clearly the Son is also. I think we need a new way to explain the Holy Trinity.
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While the eternal Word (Jesus) is designated as the Creator (John 1 and other passages), the triune Godhead (God) is also presented as the Creator in Genesis 1 & 2. So this is not something to be concerned about. The Father is the Head of Christ (1 Cor 11:3), and perhaps that is why the Father Himself is also designated as the Creator. All of this is a part of the Mystery of God and Christ.
 

I posted that, not in reference to what is 'invisible' but in keeping with the theme of the post regarding Christ as the Creator. :rolleyes:
 
pittsburghjoe said:
Interesting.

So could God the Father be in a dimension outside of ours? Christ is the Representation of the Father in our dimensions. God the Father makes the plan and Christ makes it happen.
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You could say that.... remember God is holy, holy, holy, even the highest of cherubim cover their eyes when in his presence because of his glory.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
I agree with you. The Lord has granted, to me, a very specific and essential Doctrine . . . I see it very plainly, though very few do. That said, I am much ignorant about the Bible as a whole. And while I would say that this Doctrine that I have mentioned, is the Core of the Bible, I am still able to say that I know very little of it as a whole. It is this way that I am able to say that I need the thoughts and ideas of others so as to hold a more complete picture of the Lord's Perfect Plan.

I need others. That's all there is to it. But what I do not need is another (equal) human attempting to belittle or berate me with words and evil attitude. Anyone that tries to affect my Conscience, the very way in which I feel about myself, that is not a person worth spending any time until they have grown and are able to hold a mature conversation.
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yes I agree . I think correction doesn’t have to be like that and we don’t even need to take a position of correcting others as if we have some authority over them . But correct thinking comes when we are in his word and like your saying the thoughts are flowing from all the participants

I think often we take personally when others don’t agree , or if they show us a scripture or parable or teaching we maybe didn’t notice , if we’re able to remain in a state of peace I personally believe the word will work itself out and then no one has to be “ right “ and no one else needs be “wrong”

but it’s more about coming close spiritually in our understanding of the gospel and sharing the thkngs we believe from the gospel with others

I’m in the same position you are brother , I’m very hungry for the word and I don’t personally care where it comes from or who had the right answer I’m wanting to make my own understanding more complete , and the way for me to do that I feel is to just engage , listen and speak with others in that same boat knowing some things they have learned but understanding there’s a whole lot of scripture in the Bible and what we understood ten years ago is. Or the same as what we understand now

I think the perfect mind in Christ is how Paul preached it never quite reaching perfection but having the mind and heart firmly fixed on the hope Christ offers in the gospel so as Timorese on each day forgetting the ones behind and looking forward to the ones ahead in those promises

we’re always learning and growing until we refuse to hear that stunts our growth sometimes pride , sometimes vanity in thinking of ones “high position” in Christ , sometimes self righteousness causes it ect but the worst thing I feel we can do is shut our ears to the gospel and often another brother or sister in Christ might have an answer to something we haven’t come to yet which helps us grow and not have to work alone in it
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
While the eternal Word (Jesus) is designated as the Creator (John 1 and other passages), the triune Godhead (God) is also presented as the Creator in Genesis 1 & 2. So this is not something to be concerned about. The Father is the Head of Christ (1 Cor 11:3), and perhaps that is why the Father Himself is also designated as the Creator. All of this is a part of the Mystery of God and Christ.
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Christ is the fullness of the father son and Holy Ghost in person all three are present in him

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Father son and Holy Ghost in one person is Jesus Christ.
 
If Love is Entanglement, then The Holy Spirit is partially the Quantum Fields.

An Universal Observer would be using the Quantum Fields.
 
Why do we call the Father, the Creator ..when the Son should have that title also?

The Three are One. No confusion here.
 
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