Sorry I meant to use destroy rather than restored. Why would they perform what the reformation had destroyed and made to no effect.?
Why do theologians say the USA isn't mentioned in prophecy? See Rev 12
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Sorry I meant to use destroy rather than restored. Why would they perform what the reformation had destroyed and made to no effect.?
No reason other than natural man want to identify with the things seen (no faith) it can build false pride
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
I`ll make a long answer short.
God made some promises to the country of Israel in the Old Testament but Israel has never reach the stage in its developement where God would be willing to fulfill these promises. So, at the end of this age Jesus will return to this earth to rule it and fulfill these promises to Israel. That`s the reason why this old earth will get one more age after this one is over with before eternity can begin.
Some believe that God breaks His promises but they are wrong.
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Locoponydirtman
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So you think that he was given instructions to take symbolic measurements of a real place, and he came up with I guess symbolic dimensions? Lol.There is nothing unusual about a symbolic prophetic event happening at a real place. How could it be otherwise<----- (just rhetorical)
Your little lol shows the class what a serious Bible student you are. Good job.
The Revelation is an old fashioned prophecy book with many OT references and tie-in. Unless one understands OT prophecy one is unable to understand the Revelation.The measuring is a repeat of a passage from Zechariah, I`m not going to bother explaining it but I`ll post the verses.
1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
(Zechariah 2)
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Locoponydirtman
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You don't ever bother with the context of a verse or passage in relationship to the other verses around the verse like before and after do you?
Is the Bible for you like a collection of ad hoc vs that can be unplug from one place and just plugged into another however person sees fit?
I don't call it nonsense. Israel was carried away captive by Assyria in 721 B.C. Today, the modern established nation of Israel, in the Middle East, does not have a right to that name; and they know it. They should call themselves Judah——because that is who they are. I guess they figure that the real Israel has been gone so long, the name was up for grabs.
I believe that the god of this world, Satan, has caused this to confuse people about prophecy. To see who really has the rights, to the name Israel, we have to go all the way back to Genesis. Jacob, renamed Israel by God, was blessing Joseph’s sons: “
And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, the Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: And he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head. And Joseph said unto his father, not so, my father: For this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: But truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, in thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: And he set Ephraim before Manasseh” (Genesis 48:14-20).
Jacob gave his name, Israel, to the sons of Joseph. He also gave Joseph’s sons the rights to the names of Abraham and Issac. That is why the northern tribes were called Israel. The southern tribe of Judah, was just Judah. Judah can be part of Israel, but not all of Israel. Just like all bears are mammals, but not all mammals are bears.
We are given a clue, as to where Israel is today, by Jacob (Israel) himself in Genesis chapter 49. “And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days” (Genesis 49:1). Did you catch that, in the last days? Now we see the 10 lost tribes seemingly without an identity, but God knows who and where they are. Jacob was prophesying with the influence of the Holy Spirit. Let’s see what he had to say about the sons of Joseph:
“Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: They shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: And this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them” (Genesis 49:22-26,28).
This was the birthright promise Jacob was passing on to the sons of Joseph.
[To be continued]
A similar prophecy was given to Abraham right after he was tested, by offering Isaac as a burnt offering. You recall that an angel stopped Abraham, right before he put the knife to him? “
And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: And he said, here am I. And he said, lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: And Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: As it is said to this day, in the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.” (Genesis 22:11-14).
Jehovah-Jireh means the Lord will provide, or Lord provider. Now the promise: “And the Angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, by myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice” (Genesis 22:15-18).
Now let’s put all this together. You see a blessing of a nation and a company of nations passed to Joseph’s sons. This great multitude of people are to possess the “gates” (Fenton translation) of his enemies. This blessing was also passed to Isaac’s wife, Rebekah. “
And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them” (Genesis 24:60).
I purpose that Ephraim is Great Britain, and Manasseh is the United States of America. It was during the latter 18th century, when Britain rose to world dominance, with their navy controlling most of the seaways. The United States rose to a world power after the war with Spain, circa 1898. What other countries controlled the world’s sea gates: Suez, Gibraltar, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Africa’s horn, The Falklands, Panama Canal, Puerto Rico and Guam. I know this isn’t a popular concept to put forth, but the implication is unmistakable. Would God exclude two of the greatest world powers in His prophecies of the last days? I think not!
I think it`s important to consider entire passage as well as relevant scriptures from other parts of the Bible.
For posting up in here, best to just do a little at a time otherwise people will make contrived arguments without even reading the post.
Why do you ask?
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Locoponydirtman
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Just trying to understand your exegetical philosophy.
I think it helps to think of the Bible as a muscle, the more you use it the stronger it becomes.
I am delighted that you recognize the change that occurred in 70 AD. Are you in agreement that the Mosaic Age came to an end and that we fully entered the Messianic Age after a ~ 40 year transition period? There was a lot of talk about the old age (Mosaic, AKA Law) coming to an end back then with a new age of power (Heb 6:5) set to begin. There was no talk of the new age after the disciples from the early Christian writers. There was also no talk (that I am aware of) about the return of Jesus from the early church writers. Why do you suppose that is?
The fact is Jesus clearly taught that His Presence would return during that very generation He was speaking to (Mt 16:28). He told the wicked scribes and Pharisees, "on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth...Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation (emphasis mine)." This idea of a future (to us) return of Christ is not found in the Bible, it is a teaching of man. Christ's Presence returned circa 70 AD and He has been dwelling with the Church ever since. We are in the so-called millennium. This lack of understanding, IMHO, mainly comes from a mis-translation of Mat 24:3. The only translation that gets it right is the YLT.
3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?' Josephus, knew they were in those last days, as did Peter, as did the writer of Hebrews as we see from Heb 1:2, "...in these last days did speak to us in a Son..."
You expect incorrectly. I've been to Israel more than once. I've stood on the temple mount, more than once. I frequently read the J-Post. If the Jews tear down the Dome of the Rock, all H#LL will break loose and we will be in WWIII. Assuming they ever do this (which I highly doubt) God would never recognize it and Christ would never dwell there, not in a million years.
What are you talking about? Where did I say that? Of course it is God who forgives sins, through Jesus Christ. That is what I said.
If you want to believe this its up to you. Trying to wedge the ''Good Old USA '' into the Bible to me is about as kosher as Muslims and Mormons trying to slide Mohammed and Joseph Smith into it. People can find all sorts of fantastic things in the Bible depending
on how creative their imaginations can be. If you check out Amazon you will find dozens of sensational books trying to support all sorts of weird and wonderful interpretations.
As I understand it, the dome has been found to be located in the outer court. If that is true the two can exist side by side. Tearing down the dome not necessary.
As to your other contention. The Bible says Christ will dwell there and I believe God keeps His promises.
I am aware of these theories that the Temple could be reconstructed right next to the Dome. It would be a recipe for disaster IMO. Today the Jews and foreigners are allowed on the temple mount most of the time providing nobody is seen worshiping anyone other than Allah. It would be kind of pointless to have a temple with no worship, unless the Muslims start allowing it. No, I think God allows the Dome on purpose to prevent the Jews from building a 3rd temple.
As to your other contention about Christ dwelling in a 3rd earthly temple, you have it wrong. He's dwelling in it now and it isn't a building. Check out Acts 7:48, 17:24, 2 Cor 5:1, Heb 9:11 and 9:24. There is no prophesy of a future, 3rd earthly temple. This is a spiritual concept that seems to be lacking, we the collective Church, are the new temple where Christ dwells. See John 2:12, 1 Cor 6:19.
Check out especially John 2:19 when Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” What do you supposed He meant? Think long and hard about it.
It would seem you are putting your hope in the what the eyes see as political kingdoms .Therte is no value in the physical land.They had received that propmise
The reformation came . The use of Jewish flesh as types and shadows came to a end. .
Its not a Jewish religion .God simply used the jew to represent the whole of mankind .whwtwr in belive or unbelif. In the same way w with animal clean to represent belif and unclean
Even before. The blood of animals never took away one sin as a shadow of the good thing to come it pointed ahead to the reformation ..
As I understand it, everywhere that Paul spoke of "the Church which is His body"/us as "temple," there is no definite article ("the") with it (in the Greek). See your verse here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/6-19.htm
Whereas, in both 2Th2:4 and Rev11:1's phrases, there is the definite article: "the temple of God"... and in the latter of these two, the phrasing of the verse makes clear that "the temple of God" and [with other words separating between]
"them that worship THEREIN" are completely distinct entities.
[Additionally, I believe the "24 elders" on "24 thrones" represent "the Church which is His body" in Heaven before the first SEAL is opened/before the START of the 7-yrs that lead UP TO His Second Coming to the earth; and after a "searching-judgment" has taken place; IOW, "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth DURING that future, specific, limited time-period]
I have another related post I could add here, if further discussion on this point about "the temple" versus "temple" takes off.
(highly doubtful, I know 
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