Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

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Icedaisey

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Isaiah 45:7
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7 I made the light and the darkness.
I bring peace, and I cause trouble.
I, the Lord, do all these things.

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing peace and creating disaster; I am the Lord who does all these things.


I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I am the Lord, who does all these things.


I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.
What has that to do with the passage in my quote?
 

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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but not the end of it :)

Do you not believe that perfect love casts out fear?
fear defined as used in scripture related to God
  1. noun
    a feeling of profound respect for someone or something
    “the fear of God”
    synonyms:awe, reverence, veneration
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    type of:emotion
    any strong feeling
  2. verb
    regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of
    Fear God as your father”
    synonyms:revere, reverence, venerate
    see less

    types:enshrine, saint
    hold sacred
    worship
    show devotion to (a deity)
    type of:esteem, prise, prize, respect, value
    regard highly; think much of
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fear
 
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Hi, sorry to butt in, i'm new and want to try answering the original question. Basically not all Christians do believe in a place of torment called Hell. The word Hell has European pagan origins. The word is used in English Bibles as a translation of 4 different words; Hebrew Sheol translated into Greek as Hades- the abode of the dead which also has pagan origins. Tartarus- the Pit where Satan and his angels will be imprisoned, and Gehenna where Jesus said evil people's soul are destroyed after the Judgement ie, eternal non-existance.
 

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Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables. He did not tell them
anything without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through
the prophet:
“I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden
since the foundation of the world.”
Matthew 13:34-35
Where is that prophecy in the Hebrew Bible, I don't remember it, please and thanks.
 

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It's not a parable. You have ZERO proof.
Jesus used parables to teach true things. Saying it is just a parable does not mean what Jesus taught was false.

Jesus' parables are short stories that teach a moral or spiritual lesson by analogy or similarity.

" Parables use everyday objects to teach deeper philosophical truths which most people could never grasp otherwise. Jesus uses them to teach more profound Divine eternal matters by which non-Christians cannot comprehend. A parable does not necessarily hide the lesson; rather, it teaches in such a way that it can be grasped better by those who are opened to the understanding required for learning and application. It is the intangible wrapped in the tangible. It is beyond logic, metaphor, allegory, or abstract reasoning; it is stimulating the person's interest to open his/her eyes and ears and engaging his mind to seek truth, rather than himself, as a means of grasping the lesson God has for him (Matt. 13:52; 2 Tim. 3:7 ). "

http://www.intothyword.org/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=78397
https://www.christianbiblereference.org/jparable.htm
 

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John 3:16

King James Version



16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Ezekiel 18:32

King James Version



32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

https://journal.rts.edu/review/no-g...lim-investigates-evidence-islam-christianity/
Romans 9:15 For God said to Moses, "I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."


Ephesians 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.


All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out John 6:37

This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
John 6:39

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44

And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father” John 6:65

John 15:16 Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should abide: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy. Genesis 6, God chose to save Noah and his family.
How about Lot and his family? God chose to save them only because no one else in Sodom and Gomorrah could be found who were righteous.

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy. And upon those whom he does not have mercy?
The ten plagues of Egypt. Culminating in the death of all first born of Egypt.
To convince Pharaoh to let his people go? No.
Because as God told Moses before Moses headed out on his mission for I AM, God (I AM who sent Moses) hardened Pharaoh's heart before Moses arrival. Pharaoh could not let the people of I AM go.

Luke 22:70
"Are you, then, the Son of God?" they all asked. "It is true," answered Jesus, "I am."

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
 
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Ezekiel 20:49
Then I said, "Ah, Lord GOD, they are saying of me, 'Is he not just telling parables?'"

Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables. He did not tell them anything without using a parable.

Mark 4:34
He did not tell them anything without using a parable. But privately He explained everything to His own disciples.
 

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If the Bible is silent then you should also be silent. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus isn't suitable to preach eternal torment like you are doing. The passage doesn't support eternal torment or it would say so.
You are correct Luke 16 speaks of the Grave. Not post Judgement.
 

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My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and
my portion forever. Those far from You will surely perish; You destroy all
who are unfaithful to You. But as for me, it is good to draw near to God.
I have made the Lord GOD my refuge, that I may proclaim all Your works.

Psalm 73:26-28
God is so good to Israel,
to those whose hearts are pure.
2 But I almost slipped and lost my balance.
I almost fell into sin.
3 I saw that wicked people were successful,
and I became jealous of those proud people.
4 They are healthy.
They don’t have to struggle to survive.[a]
5 They don’t suffer like the rest of us.
They don’t have troubles like other people.
6 So they are proud and hateful.
This is as easy to see as the jewels and fancy clothes they wear.
7 If they see something they like, they go and take it.
They do whatever they want.
8 They make fun of others and say cruel things about them.
In their pride they make plans to hurt people.
9 They think they are gods!
They think they are the rulers of the earth.
10 [b] Even God’s people turn to them
and do what they say.
11 Those evil people say, “God does not know what we are doing!
God Most High does not know!”
12 Those proud people are wicked,
but they are rich and getting richer.
13 Clearly, then, I gain nothing by keeping my thoughts pure!
What good is it to keep myself from sin?
14 God, I suffer all day long,
and you punish me every morning.
15 I wanted to tell others these things,
but that would have made me a traitor to your people.
16 I tried hard to understand all this,
but it was too hard for me.
17 But then, God, I went to your Temple,
and I understood what will happen to the wicked.
18 Clearly, you have put them in danger.
You make it easy for them to fall and be destroyed.
19 Trouble can come suddenly,
and they will be ruined.
Terrible things can happen to them,
and they will be finished.
20 Then they will be like a dream
that we forget when we wake up.
You will make them disappear
like the monsters in our dreams.
21-22 I was so stupid.
I thought about such people and became upset.
God, I was upset and angry with you!
I acted like a senseless animal.
23 But I am always with you.
You hold my hand.
24 You lead me and give me good advice,
and later you will lead me to glory.[c]
25 In heaven, God, I have only you.
And if I am with you, what on earth could I want?
26 Maybe my mind[d] and body will become weak,
but God is my source of strength.[e]
He is mine forever!
27 God, people who leave you will be lost.
You will destroy all who are not faithful to you.
28 As for me, all I need is to be close to God.
I have made the Lord God my place of safety.
And, God, I will tell about all that you have done.
 

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"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Psalms 37:20
Psalm 37
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[a] A song of David.
37 Don’t get upset about evil people.
Don’t be jealous of those who do wrong.
2 They are like grass and other green plants
that dry up quickly and then die.
3 So trust in the Lord and do good.
Live on your land and be dependable.
4 Enjoy serving the Lord,
and he will give you whatever you ask for.
5 Depend on the Lord.
Trust in him, and he will help you.
6 He will make it as clear as day that you are right.
Everyone will see that you are being fair.
7 Trust in the Lord and wait quietly for his help.
Don’t be angry when people make evil plans and succeed.
8 Don’t become so angry and upset that you, too, want to do evil.
9 The wicked will be destroyed,
but those who call to the Lord for help will get the land he promised.
10 In a short time there will be no more evil people.
You can look for them all you want, but they will be gone.
11 Humble people will get the land God promised,
and they will enjoy peace.

12 The wicked plan bad things for those who are good.
They show their teeth in anger at them.
13 But our Lord will laugh at them.
He will make sure they get what they deserve.
14 The wicked draw their swords to kill the poor and the helpless.
They aim their arrows to murder all who live right.
15 But their bows will break,
and their swords will pierce their own hearts.
16 A few good people are better
than a large crowd of those who are evil.
17 The wicked will be destroyed,
but the Lord cares for those who are good.
18 The Lord protects pure people all their life.
Their reward will continue forever.
19 When trouble comes,
good people will not be destroyed.
When times of hunger come,
good people will have plenty to eat.
20 But evil people are the Lord’s enemies,
and they will be destroyed.
Their valleys will dry up and burn.
They will be destroyed completely.
21 The wicked borrow money and never pay it back.
But good people are kind and generous.
22 Everyone the Lord blesses will get the land he promised.
Everyone he curses will be destroyed.
23 The Lord shows us how we should live,
and he is pleased when he sees people living that way.
24 If they stumble, they will not fall,
because the Lord reaches out to steady them.
25 I was young, and now I am old,
but I have never seen good people left with no one to help them;
I have never seen their children begging for food.
26 They are kind and generous,
and their children are a blessing.
27 Stop doing anything evil and do good,
and you will always have a place to live.
28 The Lord loves what is right,
and he will never leave his followers without help.
He will always protect them,
but he will destroy the families of the wicked.
29 Good people will get the land God promised
and will live on it forever.
30 Those who do what is right give good advice.
Their decisions are always fair.
31 They have learned God’s teachings,
and they will never stop living right.[c]

32 The wicked are always looking for ways to kill good people.
33 But the Lord will not let the wicked defeat them.
He will not let good people be judged guilty.
34 Do what the Lord says, and wait for his help.
He will reward you and give you the land he promised.
You will see the wicked being forced to leave.

35 I once saw a wicked man who was powerful.
He was like a strong, healthy tree.
36 But then he was gone.
I looked for him, but I could not find him.
37 Be pure and honest.
Peace loving people will have many descendants.
38 But those who break the law will be destroyed completely.
And their descendants will be forced to leave the land.[d]
39 The Lord saves those who are good.
When they have troubles, he is their strength.
40 The Lord helps good people and rescues them.
They depend on him, so he rescues them from the wicked.
 

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again matthew 25:46

1 Cor 15:53
All men's bodies will become immortal at the resurrection

No, only Christians alive and dead will become immortal. The unsaved are resurrected back to mortal.