Why did the Jews not recognise Jesus?

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Journeyman

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People don't recognize Jesus because they don't really love God. They don't love people either. Unrepentant church goers are waiting for God to destroy their enemies. They thought the Messiah was going to destroy their earthly enemies. Jesus came to defeat death, not the Romans.
 
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So many questions...I'm a deep thinker as well as a new Christian.

My question is this:

Why was Jesus recognised when he presented himself in the old testament, but not recognised by the Jews later on?
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
 
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There wasn't a good reason for them to reject Him. God fully revealed Himself to them. Thats why He warned them about the unpardonable sin.
 
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There wasn't a good reason for them to reject Him. God fully revealed Himself to them. Thats why He warned them about the unpardonable sin.
Yes the one sin that he could not hold against them as long as the Son of man was in sight .He forgave Peter in Mathew 16 That window closed the moment he disappeared. Today there is no forgiveness. We walk by faith (the unseen eternal ) He dwells in these earthen temples of death .

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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There wasn't a good reason for them to reject Him. God fully revealed Himself to them. Thats why He warned them about the unpardonable sin.
Stephen accusation of the Sanherdin summed it up well. But they stoned him, and Israel committed the unpardonable sin by rejecting the Holy Spirit.
 
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So many questions...I'm a deep thinker as well as a new Christian.

My question is this:

Why was Jesus recognised when he presented himself in the old testament, but not recognised by the Jews later on?
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.

Joh 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Mar 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Mat 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The Jews were expecting the Messiah to come and put down Roman authority, or put down any enemy when He came, and restore the kingdom to them, and be victorious over their enemies, and to rule.

When that did not happen, and Jesus lived as a humble man, and Jesus was arrested, and beaten, and then crucified, many did not believe then.

Jesus came as a humble servant instead of authority to overthrow the Romans, so that threw people off.

Many believed that Jesus was the Messiah because of the miracles He did, but Jesus did not want to be made a king, so that threw people off.

Since they did not believe Jesus to be their king because of His humbleness they still claimed Caesar as their king and went against Jesus.

When He did not come down from the cross many Jews said He failed at being the prophesied Messiah.

The vast majority did not believe, and did not understand from the Old Testament that the Messiah was to suffer, and then to rise, and in the future be victorious over His enemies.

For there is no kingdom restored to Israel, there is no kingdom of God for people, until there is a sinless man that did everything right according to the law, and the fulfilling of the roles of Israel as King, High Priest, Prophet, Saint, and whatever else He had to fulfill according to the law, before the kingdom of God could be opened to people, and the kingdom restored to Israel.

Their Messiah had to come as a humble servant and suffer before He could come as a ruling King, and that it would not be in the same time frame for God wants to save people for years before Jesus comes back.

Jesus had to come as a humble servant and suffer, and rise, and the grace be given for the next 2000 offering the world salvation, and taking a people out of the world for His name, and then Jesus would come back and rule as King, and put down His enemies, and the kingdom restored to Israel.

But the majority of Jews did not understand the suffering part of the Messiah, and to be crucified, and that His blood would completely wash away their sins, and then in the future He would restore the kingdom to the Jews, and put down their enemies, but they only understood the Messiah putting down Israel's enemies, and ruling as King.

The Pharisees, and religious leaders are the ones who did not teach that about their Messiah to come that He had to suffer, and rise again, but would only be a ruler, and the people were influenced by that teaching.

But those who followed Jesus that were honest, and sincere, Jesus revealed to them how He must suffer, and rise again, and the scriptures, but even Thomas said he will not believe until He sees Jesus in the flesh after He has risen, which He did and said my Lord and my God.
 
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So many questions...I'm a deep thinker as well as a new Christian.

My question is this:

Why was Jesus recognised when he presented himself in the old testament, but not recognised by the Jews later on?



We know at Armageddon, when Jesus returns, He is coming as King of kings and Lord of lords and will establish His Kingdom on Earth.

2,000 years ago, Jesus was rejected as the Messiah because He came to give Salvation unto ALL peoples. But the Jews were looking for the Messiah who would establish His Earthly Kingdom. They were under Roman Authority and thought the Messiah would come and kick the Romans behind and set up the Jews as most powerful people on Earth.

The Jews to this very day are still looking for the Ruler of the World as their Messiah and why they will believe in the Antichrist. Because the Antichrist will have power, perform nonhuman like miracles, and be given full control by all nations. The Jews will see this as being their Messiah.
 
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Jesus was prophecied to be rejected and sacrificed. It was ordained this way since the beginning. There is such thing as predestinstion in the Bible and such thing as free will, too, sometimes as far as I can tell.

As far as I can tell no one is actually controlled like a puppet to do the things they do, but God has the foresight to know what someone will do on whatever course they are traveling in life. Nudging someone with a little encouragement or discipline can change their destiny and I do think God does that sometimes.
If God foreknows all from the beginning, you cannot freely choose your destiny as it would make him originally ignorant.
 
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John 1: 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to be

Isaiah 8:14
He will be as a sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense To both the houses of Israel, As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

He came to them not as conquering king, but as a suffering servant, And since they, like may people. knew the law but did not "KNOW IT" They stumbled. IE, he came to save them from the curse of the law. But in misinterpreting the law. They thought they were above the law and only the "sinner" or "gentile" was cursed.

So it was the law and the way he came they stumbled over. thus rejecting him.
 
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If God foreknows all from the beginning, you cannot freely choose your destiny as it would make him originally ignorant.
I do not think knowing all things means that all things are controlled. No matter what the choice someone makes is, God knows the inevitable outcome. You can think of life as a non-linear story where people come to forks in the road and have to make a decision about which direction to go. The direction someone goes is really just a decision, so decisions change the course of someone's life. God knows the end of every direction. It is God's will that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Therefore, destiny is freely chosen or all people would have already come to repentance by now and we would live in a worldwide utopia of peace and love. We have the opposite of that in the world, hence the global call to repentance and salvation. Nothing makes God ignorant unless you presuppose that God is unaware of the outcome of free will choices, which I do not think is true.
 
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I do not think knowing all things means that all things are controlled. No matter what the choice someone makes is, God knows the inevitable outcome. You can think of life as a non-linear story where people come to forks in the road and have to make a decision about which direction to go. The direction someone goes is really just a decision, so decisions change the course of someone's life. God knows the end of every direction. It is God's will that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Therefore, destiny is freely chosen or all people would have already come to repentance by now and we would live in a worldwide utopia of peace and love. We have the opposite of that in the world, hence the global call to repentance and salvation. Nothing makes God ignorant unless you presuppose that God is unaware of the outcome of free will choices, which I do not think is true.
You are not seeing the spiritual side of life...the cause. You see only the effect and assume it produced itself. Every choice we make is based on a reason God used to produce our choice. You wanted to make the choice. But it was the only choice you could have made.
 
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If God foreknows all from the beginning, you cannot freely choose your destiny as it would make him originally ignorant.
God is not served by corrupted human, hands, mind or will. He can use a unbeliever to plant his incorruptible spiritual seed as easily as moving the Son of man to do His will . He does all the work in creating new creatures.

It would seem to me if it is God who works in us to both will and move the creature to do his will . We would rejoice that His desires had become ours seeing he does soften our hearts .

When mankind at the fall lost the desire to serve a God not seen. As fools they sought the approval of another creature as a beast of the field. The glory departed.

Philippians 2:12 -13 warns us not to be like Adam and Eve who resisted God's Holy Spirit seeing no value in the things of faith. They murmured as they fell and their nakedness was revealed.

Philippians 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV)
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Job informs us our savior is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires. We should believe without murmuring in false pride .

What we will be is much more glorious that we can understand using the temporal corrupted. The peace will surpass the understanding we do have We are still in the bodies of death . We await the lifting of the veil of the bride the last day.

My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: Job 23:11-16
 
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As someone rightly pointed out. many Jews did believe. And as someone else mentioned, the first believers were Jewish - in some cases non-Hebrews who had converted to Judaism previously and were circumcised, then became baptized. Those believers did not think they were founding a new religion, or sect, but were recognizing prophesy from the Jewish Scriptures being fulfilled before their very eyes.

After all, they were first called Christians at Antioch. But those first believers thought of their faith as Jewish. As elder of the church in Jerusalem, Peter received a vision indicating Gentiles are accepted into the new faith - really the old one revealed - and there was also controversy about circumcision, clearly indicating these people still thought "as they were brought up." It is remarkable how quickly they were able to make the paradigm shift of their worldview, but it took some time, prayer and hashing out, plus they had the Holy Spirit helping.

But the Judaism of Jesus day had become polluted by "the traditions of men." And as has been pointed out, the leaders were intransigent, blinded by God, and by their own skewed perspectives. I find it of interest that Christianity under Roman rule/influence seems to parallel that process of pollution evident in the Jewish religion over time.
 
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So many questions...I'm a deep thinker as well as a new Christian.

My question is this:

Why was Jesus recognised when he presented himself in the old testament, but not recognised by the Jews later on?
How was he recognized when he presented himself in the old testament, but not recognized by the Jews later on? Who said he was recognized in the old but not later on. And later on than what?
 

Webers.Home

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He came to them not as conquering king

That's pretty much the best answer to the OP's question. The people in
Jesus' day were expecting a powerful God-given potentate who would
vanquish their enemies and restore the country of Israel to a land of milk
and honey replete with peace and prosperity in accord with Old Testament
prophecies. Jesus did none of that.
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Journeyman

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Actually Jesus did come as a conquering King and conquered sin and death. Unbelievers want an encore.
 
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Actually Jesus did come as a conquering King and conquered sin and death. Unbelievers want an encore.
You have said correctly. They will get their encore too though they will not believe it.
 

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For us. Salvation came to “the Jew first and also the Greek.” Greeks basically meant non Jews or also known as Gentiles.
 

Journeyman

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You have said correctly. They will get their encore too though they will not believe it.
No my friend. There will be reaping what we sowed, but no encore. When Jesus comes, unbelief is ended. Believes are changed and unbelievers are destroyed. The end.