I, as so many have understood it, believed he wept joining in the grief of those that mourned the death of Lazarus. But after having just read the paragraph again it didn't actually come across that way this time. It almost gave me the impression he was upset with the mourners. It states he became angry first, then wept. And the way its written suggested, to me, this response was disconnected from their grief.
Perhaps I'm simply interpreting it wrong somehow. Can someone explain how his tears are seen as joining inntheor grief and not mourning their own?
Please keep answers relatively shorter. Long, drawn out answers will give too much information to process at once.
Also throwing in tons of other scriptures or deep dives into language interpretations won't do much for me. I'm willing to see the connection and just need it plainly and concisely pointed out.
Thanks.
Consider that thier lack of faith in him troubled him . Not hearing what hed been preaching remember he’s been teaching them
“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for
the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:24, 26-29 KJV
One thing he said in the middle there
“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The hour is coming,
and
now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
John 5:25
now look at what he’s telling them
So this happens and Jesus speaks on it
“Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. When
Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.”
John 11:1-5 KJV
Then this
“When he had heard therefore that he was sick,
he abode two days still in the same place where he was. ( they sent for help but Jesus is just hanging out where he was )
Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judæa again. His disciples say unto him, Master,
the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
…These things said he: and after that he saith unto them,
Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
( Jesus knows he’s died already but it seems like he’s still telling them to believe because he’s going to wake him up )
Then said
Thomas, ( “ doubting “Thomas ) which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. Then when Jesus came,
he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.”
John 11:6-8, 11-
“and many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, and said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. Jesus wept. Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.”
John 11:19-41, 43-46 KJV
It seems the unbelief of what he’s been telling them the whole time is frustrating jesus no one is declaring to the others “ he’s going to wake him up just watch “ but that’s what he’s been saying all along that he had power over life and death and was able to raise up even the dead to life but no o e seemed to really her him or believe
“Jesus said unto her,
I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and
whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
She believed in the last resurrection of the dead but did she really believe Jesus was himself the resurrection and would raise up her brother a few minutes later by his own word ?
my theory is that God has been grieving since the beginning that mankind co tiny ally ignores what he’s telling us is life and blessing and faith and truth
and we then invent ot listen to inventions of others that tell us the opposite is true and right and isn’t death like he said isnt cursing like he said
Jesus was preaching to them a long time about who he was and what he could do and would do for those who believed in him . Then he repeatedly did it in tbier sight so they had reasons to believe the rest of what he was saying. But still they weren’t understanding what he was really telling them
Just an opinion , one of many , nothing more but I would say Jesus perceives a great lack of faith in that situation Martha expressed it it seems slightly but then everyone’s just accepted that Lazarus is done for no one is rejoicing that the lord arrived to raise him up for Gods glory like he had been preaching to them in his doctrine
If man would let Gods word be true before we see it actually come to pass before we have tangible proof there’s faith and we can know what he’s going to certainly do
had they really been herring Jesus doctrine some would have been rejoicing and silencing the mourners telling by hen remember the fish ? Remember the healed lepers Jesus touched ? Remember the blind he made see ? The lame he healed ? The shriveled limbs he restored ?
Remember the peace he gave to the insane and violent men possessed by devils ? And remember what he’s been telling us about his ability to raise the dead up from the grave and give then life ? Just wait and watch trust the lords word ….
lack of faith seems to be part of it to me but also could just be fellowship in man’s grief and sorrow sharing in that part of our experience on earth the sorrow of a lived on parting ect but it does t seem like Jesus was ever in doubt he told them he was dead and he was going to wake him up so it’s more likely that he’s troubled because no one’s hearing and believing his doctrine
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