Who sinned first Human or Lucifer?
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We know that Satan did not exist in "the beginning" mentioned in Gen.1:1. The first act of God "in the beginning" was the creation of the heaven and the earth (Gen.1:1). But we see Satan appearing suddenly on the scene in Genesis 3:1. So iam asking you all, when did the fall of lucifer took place ?
According to your understanding.
When everything was going good in the garden, from where did the satan came suddenly if the fall of Lucifer didn't have took place before the creation ?
So according to my understanding before God created the tree which God said don't touch, fall of lucifer must have took place.
But why God didn't mentioned in the beginning then ??
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There's not much about Satan mentioned in the Bible. Except in a few books where it matters. The Book of Job mentions Him. The Book of Revelations sheds light that He will fight to lead many souls astray from loving and following God at the end times. And much about our adversary is spoken directly by our Lord Jesus Himself in the Gospels. Now, this is what is relevant to us in our fight for Salvation. We are redeemed by the blood of Jesus. His Sacrifice on the Cross pays the price for all our sins for all time. This is most important for us as followers of Christ to believe in.
God created the Angels before He created man. And since you know the backstory already, you know that Satan refused to accept God's plan for man and did not obey Him. And that's why He rebelled and because he was cast down and been given permission to lead souls astray, He will do just that.
Our Bible is a collection of books which were agreed upon by the Christian authorities at the middle ages to be of Biblical significance from Judaism. The most important of books being Genesis, Torah, The Four Gospels and The book of Revelation along with the other books. So, that's what was handed down to us. However it is enough for us to have belief and keep the faith in the one true God and move forward as followers of Christ.
God created the Angels before He created man. And since you know the backstory already, you know that Satan refused to accept God's plan for man and did not obey Him. And that's why He rebelled and because he was cast down and been given permission to lead souls astray, He will do just that.
Our Bible is a collection of books which were agreed upon by the Christian authorities at the middle ages to be of Biblical significance from Judaism. The most important of books being Genesis, Torah, The Four Gospels and The book of Revelation along with the other books. So, that's what was handed down to us. However it is enough for us to have belief and keep the faith in the one true God and move forward as followers of Christ.
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As i was reading the Creation of God, i've learned so much.
I would like to share my thoughts on Creation Of God ✨
Have you ever paid attention to 2nd day ?
God didn't said , " It is good" after work.
The second day was the day that God made the heaven and waters. The way that God did so was by separating them both by forming a horizon. He took all the water particles He had formed and brought them together to form the seas and oceans. God then took all the air particles and made the atmosphere.
In Genesis 1: 8 , it says, "And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day." Looking at all the other five days of creation, God would end one working day by calling all He had made good. And there is the second day when God looked at what He had done and just said, "Alright, that's it for today."
The second day was the only day of division in creation. Every other day was meant to unite or give life except the second day. It was only until He gathered the waters in one place that He called them good because God is not a God of division but of unity.
God is the biggest fan of unity 😇
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I believe Satan was there in the beginning. He was Lucifer, the anointed cherub, one of the sons of God as mentioned in Job 38.
Job 38
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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Whether your question is:
who sinned first, Adam (human) or Lucifer (angel)?
or
did Lucifer sin before the creation?
I think the following will answer both.
Genesis 1:31 - 2:1
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
Ezekiel 28:12-15
"Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."
If you conclude that "and all the host of them" includes the angelic realm, then all of the angels, including Lucifer were created before Adam, and without sin. The passage in Ezekiel points out that Lucifer had been "in Eden the garden of God". From the description given in the text, I would think describes him while he was in the garden; again without sin. So it appears that Lucifer (and all of the angelic realm) were created before Adam, but Lucifer had to have sinned first for him to be tempting Adam and Eve to sin.
who sinned first, Adam (human) or Lucifer (angel)?
or
did Lucifer sin before the creation?
I think the following will answer both.
Genesis 1:31 - 2:1
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
Ezekiel 28:12-15
"Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."
If you conclude that "and all the host of them" includes the angelic realm, then all of the angels, including Lucifer were created before Adam, and without sin. The passage in Ezekiel points out that Lucifer had been "in Eden the garden of God". From the description given in the text, I would think describes him while he was in the garden; again without sin. So it appears that Lucifer (and all of the angelic realm) were created before Adam, but Lucifer had to have sinned first for him to be tempting Adam and Eve to sin.
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It was not a snake, it was a serpent and the serpent is Satan. "Satan" means adversary. Satan fell prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. The pre-Adamic creation theory posits that Satan's fall resulted in the catastrophic state of the earth in Genesis 1:2. And yes, Satan was in Eden.
If you want to know more, you can read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. There is a human aspect, the ruler of Bablylon and the Prince of Tyre, but Satan is also addressed. He controls the world, including most earthly rulers.
If you want to know more, you can read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. There is a human aspect, the ruler of Bablylon and the Prince of Tyre, but Satan is also addressed. He controls the world, including most earthly rulers.
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Who sinned first Human or Lucifer?
Lucifer—no question:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
- Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)
Lucifer—no question:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
- Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)
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Text: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The King James council chose the singular word heaven to translate from the Hebrew word shamayim in Genesis 1. Shamayim is translated 420 times in the Bible. Over half of the verses were translated heaven. About a fourth of the verses use the plural heavens.
Why did the translators prefer the singular rather than the plural in Genesis 1:1? Genesis 1:1 is referring to the physical creation, and physical heaven is being referred to in verse one. On the first day of creation, there was earth, and there was heaven around it.
Some prefer to interpret Genesis 1:1 as meaning the heavens to include the three heavens mentioned by Paul in Second Corinthians 12:2. Since the second heaven was not created until day two with the firmament, then verse one is thought by some to be a summarization of the creation week.
However, the third heaven already existed. It was not created. We know this because heaven is the dwelling and throne of God (Mt 5:34; 1Pe 3:22). And because God is eternal, then His throne and dwelling in heaven are also eternal.
Genesis 1:1 is best understood as God creating the earth with a heaven around it on day one.
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Just to be clear, the verse states that sin entered because of one Man...
Romans 5:12
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"
I believe the Serpent lied in this verse...
Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"
The Serpent was most definitely in the Garden. The Serpent is also called the Dragon, Devil and Satan...
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Lucifer was a sarcastic name for the King of Babylon. Some suggest it was Nebuchadnezzar. Thus, the 'fall of Lucifer' took place during the reign of one of the Kings of Babylon. It was the fall of the King, not Satan.
Note that Satan was created as a Beast, not a Man. Lucifer was a Man...
Isaiah 14:16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms"
Also, there is no such thing as 'Lucifer's Flood' as some believe.
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Because God only created one of the Three Heavens that day. It was the Highest Heaven in fact. The KJV has it translated correctly.
We must look at the context. The Universe had not been created yet, therefore Earth was not a 'globe with oceans floating in space'. Earth was without form, meaning it was not three-dimensional. Void means complete vacuum.
I believe they are in error. If all three Heavens were created on Day 1, then that would severely contradict the rest of Scripture.
Yes, you understand correctly.
Note that our entire Universe is the Firmament, which includes Earth's atmosphere.
Scripture disagrees with their logic. God created the 'Highest Heaven' (Heaven #1) in Genesis 1:1.
I disagree. The Third Heaven is the Kingdom of God Within, created on the Third Day.
Dwelling in a physical place vs. existing in Everlasting are two different things.
Psalms 93:2
"Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting."
Did Everlasting exist before God's Throne was established? In other words, was God's Throne created at a specific time?
I am going to take the position that Satan was a created being, and was therefore created when the rest of creation was created. Don't know what day, but He is mentioned in connection with the stars of Heaven. He certainly must have fallen before He lied to Eve (in the Garden). Revelation 12 speaks of his fall. He is referred to as a dragon who pulled down many stars...
Revelation 12:
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Revelation 12:
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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