Jesus did not say : "No one can possibly take my life."Jesus: no one can possibly take My Life
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No, but He did say that nobody takes it from Him:
““Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)
As I said, Jesus doesn't say "No one can possibly take my life."
"No one is taking my life from me, but I am laying it down of Myself,' is not a claim that I personally have the power to prevent anyone from killing me." Jesus is making a statement about one particular situation and one particular time in Jesus' life. He does not say He himself could prevent anyone taking His life. It could be that His Father or the Holy Spirit or angels are able to protect Jesus from being murdered, if Jesus asks them to do so. It could be that because Jesus withdraws any plea for deliverance, and agrees to go to death without a fight, these protectors withdraw their protection from Jesus. Under this scenario, Jesus words would still be true.
"No one is taking (Gr. aireO) my life from me, but I am laying it down of Myself. I have authority to to lay it down, and I have authority to receive (Gr. lambanO) it again. This command I have received (Gr. lambanO) from my Father."
Do you imagine that Jesus took the command from the Father by his own power, in the same way you imagine He will take His life back by His own power? Jesus uses the same Greek word (lambanO) for both.
Actually surrendering your very life to the will of the father is exactly what jesus did.
" Therefore no man takes my life but I lay it down."
For the love of the father and for the love of his creation.
It was a free will choice for a army of angels were at the ready to battle.
This was agreed upon before the foundations of the world, and Abraham's prophetic words were fulfilled
The Lord Himself shall provide the sacrifice.
A perfect, holy, spotless sacrifice was what God required and only Jesus as the high priest could deliver.
Praise God and thank you.
" Therefore no man takes my life but I lay it down."
For the love of the father and for the love of his creation.
It was a free will choice for a army of angels were at the ready to battle.
This was agreed upon before the foundations of the world, and Abraham's prophetic words were fulfilled
The Lord Himself shall provide the sacrifice.
A perfect, holy, spotless sacrifice was what God required and only Jesus as the high priest could deliver.
Praise God and thank you.
It is impossible for language more plainly and emphatically to express the absolute voluntariness of Christ's death, such a voluntariness as it would be manifest presumption in any mere creature to affirm of his own death. It is beyond all doubt the language of One Who was conscious that His life was His own (which no creature's is), and therefore His to surrender or retain at will. Here lay the glory of His sacrifice, that it was purely voluntary.
- Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Because they often took counsel to kill Him, He tells them, Except I will, your labor is unavailing. And by the first He proves the second, by the Death, the Resurrection. For this is the strange and wonderful thing. Since both took place in a new way, and beyond ordinary custom.
But let us give heed exactly to what He says, I have power to lay down My life. And who has not power to lay down his life? Since it is in the power of any that will, to kill himself. But He says it not so, but how? I have in such a way the power to lay it down, that no one can effect this against My will.
And this is a power not belonging to men; for we have no power to lay it down in any other way than by killing ourselves. And if we fall into the hands of men who plot against us, and have the power to kill us, we no longer are free to lay it down or not, but even against our will they take it from us.
Now this was not the case with Christ, but even when others plotted against Him, He had power not to lay it down. Having therefore said that, No man takes it from Me, He adds, I have power to lay down My life, that is, I alone can decide as to laying it down, a thing which does not rest with us, for many others also are able to take it from us.
Now this He said not at first, (since the assertion would not have seemed credible,) but when He had received the testimony of facts, and when, having often plotted against Him, they had been unable to lay hold on Him, (for He escaped from their hands ten thousand times,) He then says, No man takes it from me.
But if this be true, that other point follows, that He came to death voluntarily. And if this be true, the next point is also certain, that He can take it again when He will. For if the dying was a greater thing than man could do, doubt no more about the other. Since the fact that He alone was able to let go His life, shows that He was able by the same power to take it again.
Do you see how from the first He proved the second, and from His death showed that His Resurrection was indisputable?
- John Chrysostom, AD 407
Jim Elliot, missionary to the Auca Indians, was killed with a spear after his plane landed beside a river. His wife said the Aucas had not taken Jim's life, because Jim had already died years before, when he gave his life to Christ. This being so, Jim Elliot culd klso say with Christ,
"No one takes my life. I am laying it down of my own volition. I have authority to lay it down (for Christ"s sake and the Gospel's) and I have authority to receive it again (at my resurrection). This command I received from my Father. "
nope
Ezekiel 18:4
Behold!
All souls are Mine;
the soul of the father
as well as the soul of the son
is Mine!
no mortal has authority over their own life. in John 10:18 Jesus categorically states that He is ontologically YHWH Himself. He is The Life - John 11:25-26.
Life cannot be taken away from Him; only He can lay it down and it is impossible that He do anything other than take it up again if He does so - hence The Resurrection is The Life.
Jhn 15:13
“Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.
Mar 10:21
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
Mat 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Luk 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
You are shoe-horning your personal Christology into the Bible and denying so many scriptures to make your personal opinion mandatory on everyone. We are all commanded to lay down our lives daily. and if we do we have authority to receive it back at the resurrection of the just.
affirming the deity of Christ is neither imposing a private Chtistology, denying any scripture whatsoever, nor forcing a personal opinion on anyone.
it is orthodoxy from the beginning of the church, it is the motif of the entire Bible, it is the Truth, and it also happens to be a core of this forum's TOS.
if open theism is incompatible with that, i am not the one at fault, nor is the whole of the history of our faith, neither least of all is the Word of God itself.
no one takes it from Me,
instead I lay it down
and take it up again
I affirm the deity of Christ. Open theism is completely compatible with the affirmation of the deity of Christ. It is the platonic theorising to the concept of an unchanging First Cause that is incompatible with the revelation God gives of Himself in scripture.
You are not merely "affirming the deity of Christ". You are loading "deity" with characteristics that are imported from Greek platonism but are not explicit, nor of necessity implicit, in scripture. According to the Bible deity changes, but according to platonism deity cannot change. Therefore, you are unnecessarily assuming that a Divine Person must remain omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to remain the Divine Person He has always been. That is not true. An ever-existing person can choose to become limited in knowledge, presence and power but remain the Person who has always existed. We all change in these attributes hour by hour, but remain the same person we have always been. So, it is abundantly clear and obvious, axiomatic even. that a person can change in attributes but remain the same person. The only really necessary attribute of a Divine Person to remain divine is ever-existence.
No. And I also do not believe that "Let them destroy your body, and after three days you will be able to raise that body up again'" is a command to resurrect yourself."
Nor do I believe that "Lay your life/soul down and in three days you will receive it again," is a command to resurrect yourself.
Christ said He would raise Himself.
that is not a command to you to do the same; it is a statement of ontological equivalence with YHWH, affirmation of an immortal life with omnipotent power over death, and a declaration of omniscient knowledge of the future.
how does He know where the soul is, and how to put it back in a body? how does He reassemble decayed flesh and remove the corruption? and He does all this by saying, "come forth"
Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Jhn 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Jesus said He would raise His body from the slab, not His soul from hades.
You keep twisting scripture to fit your theories.
Jesus raised Lazarus by the power the Father was giving Him.
Jhn 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works.