I think we are having some issues here in the forum. And I believe it is because of some long held beliefs that are not totally true and some are flat out myths. Before I post what I believe is the truth I would like to take a poll and see where we all stand on this question. I feel like many of the threads we have going in the BDF and other places flow from this one question. I believe it's a serious question to be answered and I'm looking forward to the results of the poll. Thank you for taking part.
Who Killed Jesus?
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Our sins killed Jesus, we are all guilty. We crucified the Son of God for both our ignorance and our own delusions. Jesus willingly laid his life down like a Lamb to the slaughter and was a sacrifice to reconcile man to God. For those that believe and acknowledge this, there will be hope then of Jesus' forgiveness that he also spoke on the cross, and also of course the hope of the resurrection of which Jesus is both the way and the sign as well.
Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
I'm going with Jesus died for our sins.
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
I'm going with Jesus died for our sins.
None of the above.
All of the above.
A, B, and C.
A, B, and D.
B, D, and F.
Bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, and eggs….
All of the above.
A, B, and C.
A, B, and D.
B, D, and F.
Bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, and eggs….
I believe that for the love of the father and for the love of mankind Jesus knowingly and willingly offered himself.
It goes far beyond enduring the shame and humility of the cross. Far beyond the pain and agony it brought.
Our human mind cannot conceive of all that it has accomplished and the depth of its glory.
Thank you Jesus.
It goes far beyond enduring the shame and humility of the cross. Far beyond the pain and agony it brought.
Our human mind cannot conceive of all that it has accomplished and the depth of its glory.
Thank you Jesus.
As far as the poll goes I decided to just vote A. Though H was also tempting. My reasoning is it be more logical to just only vote for A because if we don't confess our personal culpability to A and admit that we ate Jesus flesh and drank Jesus blood then he has no part in us and will throw us into the etenal hellfire and he cannot be blamed for it is both our fault as well as on our behalf indeed that he was crucified, Whether in perfect mercy or perfect justice we are salvaged or cast away, all glory belongs to him forever, praise Jesus.
The evil one working through human sin and desire. He thought he won when he killed the creator of the universe, but he was surprised to see him rise up from the dead (because when people died, they would end up in sheol, not immediate heaven), so he assumed that if he kill him, he will end up in sheol, and God's plan would fail. However he was very surprised to see God raising him from the dead, and then ascending him at his right hand (which symbolizes that human kind is at the right hand of God)
None of the above.
All of the above.
A, B, and C.
A, B, and D.
B, D, and F.
Bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, and eggs….
Are trying to say, it's all perspective?
If so, I agree. It's sort of a loaded question. My first answer would be the Romans, but it comes down to perspective. Are we talking figuratively, spiritually, physically, or metaphorically.
I confused how bacon and eggs are related to this topic, but I'm open minded of course. lol
It's not intended to be a serious post. The first few are a throwback to elementary school multiple-choice tests, while the last one is a reference to a Monty Python skit.
That said, it is a loaded question. I prefer mine loaded with bacon.
Mat 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Act 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
The Gentiles and the Jews were against Jesus and wanted Him gone.
The Romans killed Jesus.
Many Jews wanted it.
He was put to death for our sins.
I would not say we killed Jesus but He was killed for our sins.
If it could apply to us that Jesus was killed and we are guilty for it being a sin then it would seem like we would have to repent of it.
But the Bible never mentions it.
Unless when a person confesses Jesus it is forgiven.
Where the world that denies Jesus is guilty.
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Maybe the world is guilty of the death of Jesus.
But to confess Him that guilt does not come upon you.
Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Act 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
The Gentiles and the Jews were against Jesus and wanted Him gone.
The Romans killed Jesus.
Many Jews wanted it.
He was put to death for our sins.
I would not say we killed Jesus but He was killed for our sins.
If it could apply to us that Jesus was killed and we are guilty for it being a sin then it would seem like we would have to repent of it.
But the Bible never mentions it.
Unless when a person confesses Jesus it is forgiven.
Where the world that denies Jesus is guilty.
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Maybe the world is guilty of the death of Jesus.
But to confess Him that guilt does not come upon you.
- Our Sins Killed Jesus - yep, For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 1cor 15:3
- God Kill His Son - yep, For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son John 3:16
- Jesus Died Willingly - yep, Jesus Christ "gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father". Gal 1:4
- Jews Killed Jesus - well no, some may have wanted to but everything that happens is according to Gods will.
- The Romans Killed Jesus- well no, they may have made the ruling decision but God rules in the kingdom of men and everything that happens is according to Gods will.
- The People in the Crowd that day Killed Jesus - They may have rejected Him, and will accept anyone else like Barabbas but it was all according to Gods good will, "I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him
I guess in summary God killed His son for us sinners who will believe and accept Him as Lord and Saviour, as the only possible payment for our sins so we may have life eternal come the resurrection and judgment.
everything else is secondary.
If you're trying to say that a 'group' or an 'ethnicity' killed Jesus that's nonsense. Nobody killed Jesus if you are talking about that.
God Himself chose this method to connect with us in our suffering which we caused ourselves due to (limited) free-will.
Also nobody can kill God anyway. That's impossible. Christ defeated death itself to show us who He is to show us that only God can overcome death and gave us a path to Paradise.
It's not intended to be a serious post. The first few are a throwback to elementary school multiple-choice tests, while the last one is a reference to a Monty Python skit.
That said, it is a loaded question. I prefer mine loaded with bacon.
Wow, my first poll here and I flunked that badly?? It was intended to be a serious post. But I did give as many choices as I could think of. So what would you have done differently?
It's not intended to be a serious post. The first few are a throwback to elementary school multiple-choice tests, while the last one is a reference to a Monty Python skit.
That said, it is a loaded question. I prefer mine loaded with bacon.
When in doubt always choose C right? (Summer School Reference)
Is the answer in the back of the book? This teacher is gonna give homework I'm sure.
The government rulers (in this case specifically) the Pharisees killed Jesus. Even pontius pilate did not want to kill him.
Different rulers wanted him dead. First king Herod and then the Pharisees. They are considered evil even according to Jesus. They were jealous. King Herod was jealous 3 kings had a caravan of riches being sent to him (not a common part of the accurate Christmas story) and felt threatened knowing he was the real king. Pharisees also felt threatened more so by his knowledge and popularity among the people.
The crowd were the manipulated ones who were brainwashed by the rulers. Similar to how people today are brainwashed starting in school and then the media to think a certain way. That's why Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do."
Ultimately Jesus died for our sins and it was allowed for this reason only. That's why Jesus said to the father "why have you forsaken me?" The father would have easily sent an army of angels to protect him but it was Jesus will for mankind to enter heaven and this was the loophole needed for it.
Different rulers wanted him dead. First king Herod and then the Pharisees. They are considered evil even according to Jesus. They were jealous. King Herod was jealous 3 kings had a caravan of riches being sent to him (not a common part of the accurate Christmas story) and felt threatened knowing he was the real king. Pharisees also felt threatened more so by his knowledge and popularity among the people.
The crowd were the manipulated ones who were brainwashed by the rulers. Similar to how people today are brainwashed starting in school and then the media to think a certain way. That's why Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do."
Ultimately Jesus died for our sins and it was allowed for this reason only. That's why Jesus said to the father "why have you forsaken me?" The father would have easily sent an army of angels to protect him but it was Jesus will for mankind to enter heaven and this was the loophole needed for it.
Yup me too, but he was risen and to the right hand of power and will come again and raise all of humanity too and judge and save and reign forever, praise Jesus.
Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to give His life as a ransom for many, any
who would believe by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood as the payment for sin. He did
so willingly. Those who believe attain to life ever after; those who don't suffer the second death.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to Whom be glory forever and ever. He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification. Galatians 1 v 3-5; Romans 4 v 25
Thank you for the inspiration! .
who would believe by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood as the payment for sin. He did
so willingly. Those who believe attain to life ever after; those who don't suffer the second death.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to Whom be glory forever and ever. He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification. Galatians 1 v 3-5; Romans 4 v 25
Thank you for the inspiration! .