Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Michael68]

nope ... if you're not interested in reading the whole of chapter 2, at the very least read from vs 11:

Galatians 2:

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.


vs 11 – Peter came to Antioch where Paul and Barnabas preached the gospel.

vs 12 – Peter mingled with gentiles until certain came from James. Once the certain came from James Peter separated himself in fear of the Jews (them which were of the circumcision).

vs 13 – other Jewish believers followed Peter's example ... they withdrew and separated themselves as well insomuch that Barnabas was also carried away with their dissimulation (Greek hypokrisis = hypocrisy).

vs 14 – Paul publicly rebuked the Jews who withdrew and separated themselves.

vs 16 – those who separated themselves knew that they were not justified by the works of the law, but by faith ... by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

vs 17 – just because we sin after coming to faith in Christ does that make the Lord Jesus Christ the minister of sin? ... Of course not!!!

vs 18 – if I seek to be justified by the law ... I make myself a transgressor because the law is incapable of making a person righteous.

continue reading to the end of the chapter ... if we go back to law-keeping justification, we end up frustrating (setting aside) the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Gal 2:21).





the only way I know of to overcome sin is to put on the Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

and I realize that as long as I live in this body in this world, I may stumble (sin). If I do, God is gracious and tells us if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness – 1 John 1:9.





that's what I'm trying to get you to do ... read the whole of Galatians 2 in order to glean what it is that vss 17&18 are talking about. It's not about "change takes time once you get saved" ... it's about folks who follow the law coming in to a body of believers and claiming they must do this or that to be justified and/or those who separate and withdraw in a hypocritical effort to appease others.

The "change takes time once you get saved" refers to sanctification ... the ongoing process which God works within the believer as He conforms the believer to the image of Christ. And this is a lifelong endeavor which will not be completed until we see Jesus face to face.

Justification, as you rightly claim ... "You get instantly justified when you come to Christ" ... you also stated "you are immediatley justified" ... that is true of justification.
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Is it sin not to obey Jesus commands in the gospels?

If it is:

If someone stole something of yours would you gladly give them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who maybe unkind to you, harass or persecute you?

Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?

Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the lame, blind, poor and beggars?

Do you never look at a woman with lust in your eye?

If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly give them what they asked for and never expect anything back?

If you have ever fasted, have you as much as hinted to anyone you were fasting?

Have you ever fibbed about anyone, even a small fib?

Let’s go on to the ten commandments:

Have you ever put anything before God in your daily life?

Have you ever erected any graven image in your mind?

Have you ever failed to honour your parents?

Again, have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye(Jesus ratified the commandment)

Have you in anyway been untruthful in your views/opinions of others?

Do you ever have any impure thoughts?

And very importantly:

Do you never insist of anyone else to remain saved what you do not insist of yourself?

How many days a week are you without sin in your view?

 

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Is it sin not to obey Jesus commands in the gospels?

If it is:

If someone stole something of yours would you gladly give them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who maybe unkind to you, harass or persecute you?

Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?

Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the lame, blind, poor and beggars?

Do you never look at a woman with lust in your eye?

If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly give them what they asked for and never expect anything back?

If you have ever fasted, have you as much as hinted to anyone you were fasting?

Have you ever fibbed about anyone, even a small fib?

Let’s go on to the ten commandments:

Have you ever put anything before God in your daily life?

Have you ever erected any graven image in your mind?

Have you ever failed to honour your parents?

Again, have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye(Jesus ratified the commandment)

Have you in anyway been untruthful in your views/opinions of others?

Do you ever have any impure thoughts?

And very importantly:

Do you never insist of anyone else to remain saved what you do not insist of yourself?

How many days a week are you without sin in your view?

of course I am not perfect ... I do not count "how many a days a week" I sin.

why are you so focused on sin?

I follow the Lord Jesus Christ and when I find I have been drawn away from Him, I turn my heart back to Him. He is there whenever I turn back to Him. He never leaves me ... I turn from Him. His promise is I will never leave thee nor forsake thee ... and He is faithful. He also considers my condition ... He remembers I am but dust ...

Psalm 103:

8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.


praise God for His mercy, His grace, His lovingkindness ...
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[Michael68]

of course I am not perfect ... I do not count "how many a days a week" I sin.

why are you so focused on sin?

I follow the Lord Jesus Christ and when I find I have been drawn away from Him, I turn my heart back to Him. He is there whenever I turn back to Him. He never leaves me ... I turn from Him. His promise is I will never leave thee nor forsake thee ... and He is faithful. He also considers my condition ... He remembers I am but dust ...

Psalm 103:

8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.


praise God for His mercy, His grace, His lovingkindness ...
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If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1John1:8

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1John3:9

If you asked nearly all christians if you had to live a sinless life to be saved, they would respond ''No'' for they know they are not without sin(1John1:8)
However, if you asked the same people if you could be saved if you lived a lifestyle of sin and didn't care about it, they would also respond ''No'' (I john3:9)

 

[brightfame52]

You already know the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind. I have provided the verses to you numerous times ... yet you still suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18):

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


When God reveals Himself to those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, they will suffer the consequence ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ did not die to take away their sin ... but because they rejected Him:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.
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Christ died for them whom He freely Justified by His death and grace Rom 3:24

 

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If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1John1:8

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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1John3:9

my understanding of this verse is that the born again one will not engage in a continual practice of habitual sin ... the verse does not state the born again one will never sin.

The Holy Spirit within the born again one works to help us overcome so we are victorious over sin. We are no longer in bondage to sin; however, we do need to break old habit patterns which developed over the course of our life until we were born again. This is the sanctification process.

If/when we sin, our Heavenly Father chastens us as described in Hebrews 12:

Hebrews 12:

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

When we sin, we know something is "off" ... we no longer have that close relationship with the Lord. He then works within us to draw us back to Himself through chastening. When we endure chastening, there is a definite spiritual blessing which occurs:

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

God is so loving and so kind to us ... the peaceable fruit of righteousness ... aahhh

If you asked nearly all christians if you had to live a sinless life to be saved, they would respond ''No'' for they know they are not without sin(1John1:8)

and they would be correct.

However, if you asked the same people if you could be saved if you lived a lifestyle of sin and didn't care about it, they would also respond ''No'' (I john3:9)

right ...
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Rom 3:24

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


and just in case there is any doubt in your mind:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


reminders:

faith ≠ works – Romans 4:5

it is not the faith of the one who believes which saves ... it is the Object of faith Who saves those who believe.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


and just in case there is any doubt in your mind:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


reminders:

faith ≠ works – Romans 4:5

it is not the faith of the one who believes which saves ... it is the Object of faith Who saves those who believe.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You reject the Gospel Truth that the ones Jesus Christ died for were Justified by His death, His Grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Since you reject that, thats not Faith but unbelief !

 

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Gospel Truth

newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... your re-writing of Scripture is not "Gospel Truth".

The Author of Scripture tells us what is "Gospel Truth" and I believe His gospel and His promise concerning His gospel:

Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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[brightfame52]

newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... your re-writing of Scripture is not "Gospel Truth".

The Author of Scripture tells us what is "Gospel Truth" and I believe His gospel and His promise concerning His gospel:

Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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You reject the Justifying death of Christ, His redemptive death Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Your rejection shows your unbelief, not faith

 

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You reject the Justifying death of Christ, His redemptive death Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

that I reject of your erroneous dogma does not mean I reject the truth of Scripture.

and your very limited condition upon which you base your accusation is again noted.

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


and just in case there is any doubt in your mind:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


reminders:

faith ≠ works – Romans 4:5

it is not the faith of the one who believes which saves ... it is the Object of faith Who saves those who believe.

Your rejection shows your unbelief, not faith

... interesting ... so now you agree that faith is necessary ???

are stepping away from your erroneous "gospel of brightfame52":

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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[brightfame52]

newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... your re-writing of Scripture is not "Gospel Truth".

The Author of Scripture tells us what is "Gospel Truth" and I believe His gospel and His promise concerning His gospel:

Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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You reject scripture which is gospel truth, the success of the saving death of Christ. Christs substitutionary death for His elect, saved them, brought them to God, out of sin and shame 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Thats Good News of what He accomplished and you dont believe it, thats unbelief, not faith

that I reject of your erroneous dogma does not mean I reject the truth of Scripture.

and your very limited condition upon which you base your accusation is again noted.

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


and just in case there is any doubt in your mind:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


reminders:

faith ≠ works – Romans 4:5

it is not the faith of the one who believes which saves ... it is the Object of faith Who saves those who believe.





... interesting ... so now you agree that faith is necessary ???

are stepping away from your erroneous "gospel of brightfame52":

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Scripture teach that them for whom a Christ died were Justified by His Grace through redemption Rom 3:24 and you deny it, that is not faith but unbelief!

 

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You reject scripture

blah blah blah

I do not reject Scripture, nor do I deny Scripture ... I deny your erroneous dogma ...

Your continual ripping a verse here or a verse there from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it and then futilely attempting to manipulate the verse to support your error is improper.

Your actions reveal you are not a workman who needeth not to be ashamed.

You are a workman who should be ashamed (but you're not) because you are not interested in rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Scripture teach that them for whom a Christ died were Justified by His Grace through redemption Rom 3:24 and you deny it, that is not faith but unbelief!

well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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[brightfame52]

I do not reject Scripture, nor do I deny Scripture ... I deny your erroneous dogma ...

Your continual ripping a verse here or a verse there from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it and then futilely attempting to manipulate the verse to support your error is improper.

Your actions reveal you are not a workman who needeth not to be ashamed.

You are a workman who should be ashamed (but you're not) because you are not interested in rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!





well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

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Scripture teach that them for whom Christ died were Justified by His Grace through redemption Rom 3:24 and you deny it, that is not faith but unbelief!

 

[brightfame52]

Exactly who is it that God Justifies ?

Gods word answers that, for God does things according to His word, even His word of promise. Isa 45:25

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Which is the all the seed of Abraham Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

God promised to Justify Abrahams seed Gal 3:8

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

So it is God that Justifies ! Rom 8:33

Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.


But now notice who are the objects of Gods Justification here ? His Chosen ! His Elect, or the Seed of Abraham, or of Israel. This looks back to the promise of Isa 45:25

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Gods Justification is limited to His own Israel in Christ ! 22

 

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Scripture teach that them for whom Christ died were Justified

what Scripture teaches:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

you deny it, that is not faith but unbelief!

well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Exactly who is it that God Justifies ?

Gods word answers that

yep ...

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 3:30

Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

heh ...
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[brightfame52]

what Scripture teaches:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

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Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Scripture teach that them for whom Christ died were Justified. Rom 3:24 Now if you dont believe it, its unbelief, you lack Faith in Christ, in His Justifying Blood !

 

[brightfame52]

yep ...

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.





Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

heh ...
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Only one people God has promised to Justify in the Lord Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. Thats Gods elect from among all nations.

 

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Scripture teach that them for whom Christ died were Justified.

what Scripture teaches:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Now if you dont believe it, its unbelief, you lack Faith in Christ, in His Justifying Blood !

well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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... so which is it, brightfame52 ... does a person need to believe ? ... or "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" ???



Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
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[brightfame52]

what Scripture teaches:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





well ... according to your erroneous dogma, I don't have to "believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners":

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... so which is it, brightfame52 ... does a person need to believe ? ... or "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" ???



Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
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Scripture teach that them for whom Christ died were Justified. If you dont believe it, thats unbelief !