nope ... the Greek words translated into English "comers", "shall come", "cometh" are not the same.
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Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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if, as you claim, sin has already been purged ... there would be no need for Asaph to pray for God to purge away sin ...
Quit trying to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Those for whom Christ died, He purged their sins, and sat down at the right hand of God Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
They are Justified ! Now is everyone Justified ? Has everyone's sins been purged away by the Death of Christ ? NO
They are the same, just one of the words has the prefix for toward pros affixed to it, because they come toward Christ, which is obvious. This shows me your study is incomplete and deceptive.
The point is sin purged away is Salvation, Justification. Did Jesus purge away the sins of them He died for according to Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Every time I see this thread bumped I think "We really need an -eth Day" where people in the know end their verbs with -eth and sprinkle in archaic language here and there. We could even consider it a high holy day because of our use of the KJV language! If we plan things correctly we could make some money from the ignorant.
"I will driveth to work now!"
"For sooth! Why speaketh now to me?! Get thee hense post haste!"
[on looker not aware of the holiday] "Why are you guys talking like that?"
"The knave! Thou art a clotpole and a blinking dolt! Either receiveth the programe or expire!"
"I will driveth to work now!"
"For sooth! Why speaketh now to me?! Get thee hense post haste!"
[on looker not aware of the holiday] "Why are you guys talking like that?"
"The knave! Thou art a clotpole and a blinking dolt! Either receiveth the programe or expire!"
All for whom Christ died have been Justified by that fact alone, because it is by Grace through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus , that is in His Blood Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Redemption and Justification come through His Blood and not by Faith in His Blood.
And we know all men without exception are not Justified, so Christ death wasn't for all without exception! 20
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Redemption and Justification come through His Blood and not by Faith in His Blood.
And we know all men without exception are not Justified, so Christ death wasn't for all without exception! 20
Rom 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
To be Justified by Faith[being persuaded] is when one has been given spiritual assurance by God the Spirit, that they have been freely Justified, or Made Righteous by the Lord Jesus Christ, by His obedience Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 21
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
To be Justified by Faith[being persuaded] is when one has been given spiritual assurance by God the Spirit, that they have been freely Justified, or Made Righteous by the Lord Jesus Christ, by His obedience Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 21
Scripture tells us (more than once) that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to take away the sin of the world ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture tells us when a man or woman is justified (i.e. when God imputes righteousness):brightfame52 said:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 4:20 - 5:1 tells us when a person is justified.brightfame52 said:
Read the verses, brightfame52 ... God imputes righteousness when a person believes ... right at that very moment ...
if a person rejects God by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness, he or she will remain unjustified.
Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Those who suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness are without excuse:
Romans 1:20-21 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
They are without excuse because God reveals Himself to them and they suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... they turn from God, reject Him, and walk in their own way. And God allows them to reject Him ...
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ...
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the one whose "study is incomplete and deceptive" is the one who claims that proserchomai = hēkō = erchomai
Every word in the Word of God is used by the Author of Scripture ... the Author does not use words randomly.
when God uses the word hēkō He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean erchomai.
when God uses the word erchomai He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
when God uses the word proserchomai He does not mean erchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Again ... justification occurs when God imputes righteousness:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cleanse all sin of all mankind. For those who reject the offering, there is no other offering for them ...
Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation ...
There is no escape from the just recompence of reward ... the words "just recompence of reward" are translated from the Greek word misthapodosia which means compensation. The just compensation for transgression and disobedience is judgment.
There is no escape from judgment for those who neglect so great salvation.
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Romans 3:24 is not a standalone verse, brightfame52:
Romans 3:24-26 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
As far as Ephesians 1:7 ... reading 6 verses further ...
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
you trusted after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation
after that ye believed ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise
quit trying to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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read the verse IN CONTEXT brightfame52:
Scripture tells us when a man or woman is justified (i.e. when God imputes righteousness):
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
to be justified by faith is to be fully persuaded that, what God promises God is able also to perform.
God's promise is that all who believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... who was delivered for our offenses and was raised again ... righteousness shall be imputed to him or her.
God's promise:
Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Do you believe God's promise???
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You in unbelief !
proserchomai = hēkō = erchomai
Every word in the Word of God is used by the Author of Scripture ... the Author does not use words randomly.
when God uses the word hēkō He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean erchomai.
when God uses the word erchomai He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
when God uses the word proserchomai He does not mean erchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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nope ...
Scripture tells us (more than once) that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to take away the sin of the world ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture tells us when a man or woman is justified (i.e. when God imputes righteousness):
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 4:20 - 5:1 tells us when a person is justified.
Read the verses, brightfame52 ... God imputes righteousness when a person believes ... right at that very moment ...
if a person rejects God by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness, he or she will remain unjustified.
Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Those who suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness are without excuse:
Romans 1:20-21 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
They are without excuse because God reveals Himself to them and they suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... they turn from God, reject Him, and walk in their own way. And God allows them to reject Him ...
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ...
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nope ...
the one whose "study is incomplete and deceptive" is the one who claims that proserchomai = hēkō = erchomai
Every word in the Word of God is used by the Author of Scripture ... the Author does not use words randomly.
when God uses the word hēkō He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean erchomai.
when God uses the word erchomai He does not mean proserchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
when God uses the word proserchomai He does not mean erchomai ... nor does He mean heko.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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nope ...
Again ... justification occurs when God imputes righteousness:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cleanse all sin of all mankind. For those who reject the offering, there is no other offering for them ...
Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation ...
There is no escape from the just recompence of reward ... the words "just recompence of reward" are translated from the Greek word misthapodosia which means compensation. The just compensation for transgression and disobedience is judgment.
There is no escape from judgment for those who neglect so great salvation.
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