Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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I gave you my reason for saying that. Anyone who claims as you do, that Christ died for sinners that still go into lost perdition for their sins, are in essence saying Christs death for their sins was worthless. I stand by that !
I gave you my reason for saying that. Anyone who claims as you do, that Christ died for sinners that still go into lost perdition for their sins, are in essence saying Christs death for their sins was worthless. I stand by that !
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Yes it is hogwash, it matters not who hides the Gospel from the lost, the point is, its still hid from the lost and they cannot believe it.
Yes it is hogwash, it matters not who hides the Gospel from the lost, the point is, its still hid from the lost and they cannot believe it.
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I know that, nevertheless limited atonement is a key truth in the Gospel of gods Grace, regardless what you or others call it. So when you reject Limited atonement, or unconditional election and the others, you are rejecting key truths of the Gospel and will be accountable to God for the same !
I know that, nevertheless limited atonement is a key truth in the Gospel of gods Grace, regardless what you or others call it. So when you reject Limited atonement, or unconditional election and the others, you are rejecting key truths of the Gospel and will be accountable to God for the same !
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Because to believe it must be given, thats a fact from scripture Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
So when scripture mentions believing in the context of salvation, its been given to believe in behalf of Christ !
And Gal 3:22 is speaking about the Faith of Jesus Christ, His Faithfulness not the persons faith.
Because to believe it must be given, thats a fact from scripture Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
So when scripture mentions believing in the context of salvation, its been given to believe in behalf of Christ !
And Gal 3:22 is speaking about the Faith of Jesus Christ, His Faithfulness not the persons faith.
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You are in error, its you who make faith and condition to get saved, which makes it law keeping/works.
I have the right perspective of Faith in salvation, its a fruit of the Spirit, given when one is born again, and it receives the testimony of God that one is Justified.
You are in error, its you who make faith and condition to get saved, which makes it law keeping/works.
I have the right perspective of Faith in salvation, its a fruit of the Spirit, given when one is born again, and it receives the testimony of God that one is Justified.
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Its implied since you believe the natural man, the unregenerate man has the ability to have faith in Christ. The scriptures reveal Christ ! I believe the scriptures can only be read and understood by a regenerate person, one who has been born again by the Spirit.
Its implied since you believe the natural man, the unregenerate man has the ability to have faith in Christ. The scriptures reveal Christ ! I believe the scriptures can only be read and understood by a regenerate person, one who has been born again by the Spirit.
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Yes this is true of the regenerate
It is, so whats your point ?
Its true, I dont see where you understand the scriptures. I dont think you understand one verse you have posted yet. Im just being honest.
Yes this is true of the regenerate
It is, so whats your point ?
Its true, I dont see where you understand the scriptures. I dont think you understand one verse you have posted yet. Im just being honest.
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You quote that, yet you turn around and condition salvation on your faith, which constitutes works, even law keeping ! See Matt 23:23 again
You quote that, yet you turn around and condition salvation on your faith, which constitutes works, even law keeping ! See Matt 23:23 again
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I already know that, its you who makes faith a condition, a work you meet to get saved, not me. My Faith is a Gift from Gods Grace that gives evidence that God saved me by His Grace !
I already know that, its you who makes faith a condition, a work you meet to get saved, not me. My Faith is a Gift from Gods Grace that gives evidence that God saved me by His Grace !
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No its not
Wrong again
Thats True, that Faith is the fruit of the Spirit, not his natural human faith ! The rest of your comment is garbage
More garbage. Everyone by nature are unbelievers, dont seek the True God Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
God gives His Elect out of mankind Faith to believe, the rest of mankind God hardens in their native unbelief !
This refers to the regenerated elect, those who had been chosen in Christ before the foundation, read the context from Eph 1 :1-12. The reason why these heard was because they were born of God, spiritually alive.
Correct after they heard spiritually they believed, all who have been chosen to, and ordained to eternal life believe Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
The hearing in both instances is spiritual hearing, not the natural man !
No its not
Wrong again
Thats True, that Faith is the fruit of the Spirit, not his natural human faith ! The rest of your comment is garbage
More garbage. Everyone by nature are unbelievers, dont seek the True God Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
God gives His Elect out of mankind Faith to believe, the rest of mankind God hardens in their native unbelief !
This refers to the regenerated elect, those who had been chosen in Christ before the foundation, read the context from Eph 1 :1-12. The reason why these heard was because they were born of God, spiritually alive.
Correct after they heard spiritually they believed, all who have been chosen to, and ordained to eternal life believe Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
The hearing in both instances is spiritual hearing, not the natural man !
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Yep, does one have faith in the Jesus Christ revealed in the scripture who died to save exclusively a Chosen People of God Matt 1:21,Jn 10 given to Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, or are they trusting in the counterfit christ that died for everyone making their salvation only possible ?
Yep, does one have faith in the Jesus Christ revealed in the scripture who died to save exclusively a Chosen People of God Matt 1:21,Jn 10 given to Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, or are they trusting in the counterfit christ that died for everyone making their salvation only possible ?
I actually know what scripture says, to bad you dont seem to know, since you contradict it and make salvation contingent upon your action, which is works !
Lol, its only you and i in this exchange, its clear, you just trying to avoid your contradictions.
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There is no spiritual hearing without being born of God. Men naturally cannot hear/understand the words of God Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Thats word hear akouō is the same word in Eph 1:13, so man naturally cannot hear spiritually the word of God, But Jesus tells us who does hear the word of God and understand it here Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Now what does it mean to be of God ? It means to be born of God ! So quite frankly Eph 1:13 is referring to those who have been born of God, they were hearing the Gospel of their salvation. !
just more of your "one must be born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma
You're saying that Ephesians 1:13 applies to the believer after he/she is born again????
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
After you heard, you believed.
After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
There is no spiritual hearing without being born of God. Men naturally cannot hear/understand the words of God Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Thats word hear akouō is the same word in Eph 1:13, so man naturally cannot hear spiritually the word of God, But Jesus tells us who does hear the word of God and understand it here Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Now what does it mean to be of God ? It means to be born of God ! So quite frankly Eph 1:13 is referring to those who have been born of God, they were hearing the Gospel of their salvation. !
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Its simple, Eph 1:13 is about the regenerate elect, after hearing of their salvation, the good news of it, they believe with God given Faith, and that testimony is sealed into their minds permanently, by the Spirit ! Thats why a true believer cannot apostatized from the faith, they are sealed. They are the servants of God Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
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Its simple, Eph 1:13 is about the regenerate elect, after hearing of their salvation, the good news of it, they believe with God given Faith, and that testimony is sealed into their minds permanently, by the Spirit ! Thats why a true believer cannot apostatized from the faith, they are sealed. They are the servants of God Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Again, Jn 1:12-13 Vs 13 gives the foundation of why some during the ministry of Christ did receive Him and believed on His name, opposed to the many many that did not receive Him in Israel, they did because they had been born of God. Jesus said later why some hear Him Jn 8:47
John 1:
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
verse 12 explains what occurs when a person receives [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to those who reject Him as those shown in vs 11.
Those who lay hold by actively accepting the Lord Jesus Christ are granted the privilege, honor, right to become sons of God.
even to them that believe on his name ... those who receive Him (lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting) are the ones who believe on His name.
verse 13 explains that those who receive Him ... those who believe on His name are begotten of God ... not in some distant time in the past to which you continuously infer ... but at the time they received [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ and believed on his name (vs 12).
Again, under your erroneous dogma how many times must a person be born again before they are really, truly, really, really, really, scout's honor born again???
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47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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Yes, but they were born again previously in order to believe on Him, to receive Him. Thats what Vs 13 tells us !
Yes, but they were born again previously in order to believe on Him, to receive Him. Thats what Vs 13 tells us !
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No, they had been begotten of God, born of God is in the aorist past and passive voice, that's an action from the past. Now anyone knows that an action/activity comes after birth. So the receiving, believing both actions, came after having been born of God !
No, they had been begotten of God, born of God is in the aorist past and passive voice, that's an action from the past. Now anyone knows that an action/activity comes after birth. So the receiving, believing both actions, came after having been born of God !