Who is the 'ONE' who sits on the throne?

[Pilgrimshope]

It is God the Father who is always shown as seated on the throne in Heaven.

who is the king of heaven and earth ?

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭

 

[Nehemiah6]

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

There is no need to take verses out of context to prove something which is not true. It is always God the Father who is shown seated on the throne in Heaven. He is even called "the Ancient of Days" in the book of Daniel.

 

[oyster67]

would that still make Jesus equal?

Yes.
All three are omnipotent Deity.

Why would the HS not have a seat, regardless of it Dwelling?

Why would He?

 

[JaumeJ]

There is no need to take verses out of context to prove something which is not true. It is always God the Father who is shown seated on the throne in Heaven. He is even called "the Ancient of Days" in the book of Daniel.

Who has seen God, the Father, in order to depict His image anywhere?

Once more, I say, Isaiah did not lie, for his words were from God, when he says Jesus will be also called the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is taught all in Isaiah 9:6.

If you know how the Ancient of Days looks, by all means, share it in Spirit and Truth here, otherwise stop assuming to others that you actually know something about this.

 

[GaryA]

Who has seen God, the Father, in order to depict His image anywhere?

Once more, I say, Isaiah did not lie, for his words were from God, when he says Jesus will be also called the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is taught all in Isaiah 9:6.

If you know how the Ancient of Days looks, by all means, share it in Spirit and Truth here, otherwise stop assuming to others that you actually know something about this.

We do not need to know "how the Ancient of Days looks" to know that He is 'depicted' as "being there" - and - is, in fact, 'God the Father'.

This is very clear in chapter 7 of the book of Daniel.

Where in Isaiah 9:6 is Jesus [also] called 'Holy Spirit'?

Isaiah 9:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If you know how the Ancient of Days looks, by all means, share it in Spirit and Truth here, otherwise stop assuming to others that you actually know something about this.

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened... I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Jesus] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [God the Father], and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...,I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. (Dan 7:9,10, 13, 14, 21, 22)

The Ancient of Day is mentioned THREE TIMES and also described here, and shown to be distinct from one like the Son of Man, yet bearing a resemblance to Christ as shown in Revelation 1. So to insist that God the Father is not the one seated on the throne is actually to OPPOSE God.

 

[JaumeJ]

You must not forget the description of our Lord in Revelation. We shall all be just as is He, however no one knows what that will be. It is yet to be revealed. Also, you have not given an image of the Father, only the likeness given Him in the vision. I hope you are not under the impression that our Maker ages. He is not as we, however we shall be eternal when we are in the kingdom to come.

Don't forge that photo, ok?

 

[JaumeJ]

We do not need to know "how the Ancient of Days looks" to know that He is 'depicted' as "being there" - and - is, in fact, 'God the Father'.

This is very clear in chapter 7 of the book of Daniel.

Where in Isaiah 9:6 is Jesus [also] called 'Holy Spirit'?

Isaiah 9:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Wonderful and Counselor are attributed to the Holy Spirit.

 

[notmyown]

I would understand 'The Throne' as the seat of God. I’m trying to work out if it’s the Godhead or Father/ Jesus/ HS as many passages say Jesus is on the right had side, so does that make the Father the head/greater etc…

thank you for your response. when i asked what a throne represents, i guess i mean, why a throne? why not an Adirondack chair or a La-Z-Boy?

perhaps we shouldn't be taking it so literally, since God is a Spirit?

 

[notmyown]

Wonderful and Counselor are attributed to the Holy Spirit.

And Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?” And the angel of the LORD said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful? (Judges 13:17-18)

Manoah makes an offering, and it is accepted.

Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.” (Judges 13:21b-22)

 

[JaumeJ]

And Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?” And the angel of the LORD said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful? (Judges 13:17-18)

Manoah makes an offering, and it is accepted.

Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.” (Judges 13:21b-22)

Yes, so true. Jesus informed His disciples that He must go away, but He would send the Comforter to instruct them on all things. He is the Comforter and Counselor. Have you never been given knowledge by Him. Certainly you have. God bless ou always.

 

[Needevidence]

Yes, so true. Jesus informed His disciples that He must go away, but He would send the Comforter to instruct them on all things. He is the Comforter and Counselor. Have you never been given knowledge by Him. Certainly you have. God bless ou always.

Hi - why would Jesus shave to go away if the HS has been hear from the beginning.

 

[Evmur]

An interesting point I noted on another website. Who sists on the throne Father, Jesus or Holy Spirit?

Rev 4:2 Immediately I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne was set in heaven, and One sitting upon the throne,

“Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”– Rev. 7:10

Jesus is said to sit on the ‘right hand’ of God – Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69

Where does the Holy Spirit sit?

Can the Throne have 2/3 seats?

Just as the OT is full of shadows and types of what was to come [and have now come to pass] so the bible speaks imagery this imagery represents the truth that God reigns omnipotent with the Son, I'm sure there is a throne but I don't think God is sat upon it 24/7.

Since God fills heaven and earth how big would the throne need to be? All such imagery is to help us understand.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Since God fills heaven and earth how big would the throne need to be? All such imagery is to help us understand.

Why cannot both things, or even three things, be true for God at the same time? IT IS NOT MERE IMAGERY that God is shown seated on the throne in Heaven. That is what the theological liberals would have you believe. The Bible truth is this:
1. God is indeed seated on His throne as shown in many places in Scripture.
2. God also fills Heaven and earth at the same time, since there are no limitations with God.
3. God even says that "Heaven is my throne" which does not negate the actual throne in Heaven.
3. God also dwells within each believer as shown in the first epistle of John and other places.

We cannot limit God in any way. This is the biggest mistake people make.

 

[GaryA]

Wonderful and Counselor are attributed to the Holy Spirit.

I am thinking that both terms could actually be attributed to all three - meaning - that they are not necessarily attributed to the Holy Spirit.

 

[GaryA]

We cannot limit God in any way. This is the biggest mistake people make.

And, the next biggest mistake people make is to use the God-can-do-anything "excuse" to throw out common sense and redefine everything in the Bible...

I generally agree with what you are saying; however, the-way-God-does-things is in fact "limited" by the way He "set things up" during Creation Week. For example, He does not "do miracles" on a willy-nilly basis - only for the "absolutely necessary special occasions" according to His unremitting will.

We have to be careful to "balance" what-God-can-do with the-way-God-does-things - because, in actuality - as a rule - God "does things" in a very "constant" way with regard to "constant" things like the laws of physics.

It can be said that He has "broken" those rules [some number] of times; however, in truth, He has not. Instead, He has merely utilized things He put in place that only He knows how to 'invoke'. Those things are a 'miracle' to us [only] because we cannot fathom how He did them...

It is all-too-easy to say:

"God could do [whatever] if He wanted to."

Well - of course He could - but, that does not mean that it is the way He actually did it.

God always has a good reason for doing everything He does. And, it is not always in a flash-bang manner.

Most of what He has done "executes continually" in a very consistant way - and not in a flash-bang manner.

So - yes - we should not "limit God"; however, at the same time, we should not have Him doing anything we wish so that we can convince ourselves to interpret scripture to fit what we want to believe. Instead, we should always endeavor to understand what God is telling us in His Word - the real-and-true meaning - so that we can better understand the consistant ways of God.

 

[bluto]

I am thinking that both terms could actually be attributed to all three - meaning - that they are not necessarily attributed to the Holy Spirit.[/Q

Wonderful and Counselor are attributed to the Holy Spirit.

According to the context "Wonderful Counselor" is attributed to Jesus Christ, NOT the person of the Holy Spirit. Who told you that it was the Holy Spirit? Isaiah 9:6, vs1, For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us etc. The subject is the Messiah/the Son of God. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 3:14. And btw, the part that says, "Eternal Father" does NOT mean Jesus is the person of God the Father.

It means Jesus is the source of eternity just like George Washington is the father of our country because he was the first president and provided strong leadership as a model for future presidents. Also as a side note you have the angel of the Lord, (the preincarnate Jesus Christ) appearing to Manoah at Judges 13:15-18. At vs17, "And Manoah said to the angel of the Lord, "What is your name, so that when your words come to pass, we may honor you?" Vs18, "But the angel of the Lord said to him, "Why do you ask my name, seeing it is "wonderful."

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

 

[Evmur]

Why cannot both things, or even three things, be true for God at the same time? IT IS NOT MERE IMAGERY that God is shown seated on the throne in Heaven. That is what the theological liberals would have you believe. The Bible truth is this:
1. God is indeed seated on His throne as shown in many places in Scripture.
2. God also fills Heaven and earth at the same time, since there are no limitations with God.
3. God even says that "Heaven is my throne" which does not negate the actual throne in Heaven.
3. God also dwells within each believer as shown in the first epistle of John and other places.

We cannot limit God in any way. This is the biggest mistake people make.

That God reigns omnipotent is what is important.

 

[GaryA]

According to the context "Wonderful Counselor" is attributed to Jesus Christ, NOT the person of the Holy Spirit.

I totally 100% agree.

What @JaumeJ seems to be suggesting is that that verse is saying that Jesus is the Father and is the Holy Spirit.

We know that - in one particular sense - it can be said to be true:

Colossians 2:

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In this verse, [Jesus] "has" the Father as well as "has" the Holy Spirit.

However, in the 'identity' sense, the three are distinctively unique.

 

[bluto]

I totally 100% agree.

What @JaumeJ seems to be suggesting is that that verse is saying that Jesus is the Father and is the Holy Spirit.

We know that - in one particular sense - it can be said to be true:

Colossians 2:

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In this verse, [Jesus] "has" the Father as well as "has" the Holy Spirit.

However, in the 'identity' sense, the three are distinctively unique.

I have noticed in the past he has said that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit. This is known as "Modalism" which the Oneness Pentecostals teach. In other words, Jesus is all three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The doctrine that the persons of the Trinity represent only three modes or aspects of the divine revelation, not distinct and coexisting persons in the divine nature.

Godhead is defined as nature of deity. This is backed up by Hebrews 1:3, "And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature3, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat at the right hand of the Majesty on high." As a side note and this is my personal opinion, I think Jaumel does not understand the Trinity teaching. In fact, I'm not even sure he subscribes or believes the teaching, you'll have to ask him.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto