Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

[DavidLamb]

If you look in the Septuagint it doesn't have everlasting father, so the truth can't be determined simply by what the Masoretic Text says in that verse. The NT doesn't support the idea that Jesus is the father.

I am sorry, but I am not knowledgeable enough about the Septuagint to know how reliable it is. I do know that it is a translation of the Old Testament, and no translation of the bible is perfect. All 30 English translations of the bible that I have access to do include "Everlasting Father," or something equivalent, such as "eternal Father."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I am sorry, but I am not knowledgeable enough about the Septuagint to know how reliable it is. I do know that it is a translation of the Old Testament, and no translation of the bible is perfect. All 30 English translations of the bible that I have access to do include "Everlasting Father," or something equivalent, such as "eternal Father."

The Septuagint (LXX), or a Hebrew text that is no longer existent, is what the apostles used in their writings as evidenced by their OT quotes in the NT that match the LXX, but not bibles translated from the Masoretic Text (MT), which is what those 30 translations were translated from. The MT was made nearly 1000 years after the LXX was translated, so that provided a lot of time for tradition to replace truth in some cases.

 

[DavidLamb]

The Septuagint (LXX), or a Hebrew text that is no longer existent, is what the apostles used in their writings as evidenced by their OT quotes in the NT that match the LXX, but not bibles translated from the Masoretic Text (MT), which is what those 30 translations were translated from. The MT was made nearly 1000 years after the LXX was translated, so that provided a lot of time for tradition to replace truth in some cases.

Thanks for that. Just to make sure I have understood all of your post, can I check that you are not saying that our English translations of the OT were translated from the Septuagint, which was a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT? Thanks again.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Thanks for that. Just to make sure I have understood all of your post, can I check that you are not saying that our English translations of the OT were translated from the Septuagint, which was a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT? Thanks again.

Most English OTs are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic text. The NT of course is not being translated from Greek manuscripts. In a few English translations the OT was translated from the LXX. The OT in some bibles was translated from the MT, but uses the LXX version of verses in some cases. An example of this is a bible version (forget the exact name; Tanach or something like that) published by the Jewish Publication Society that is translated from the MT, but uses the LXX version of Zechariah 14:5 because the evidence supports that rendering.

 

[DavidLamb]

Most English OTs are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic text. The NT of course is not being translated from Greek manuscripts. In a few English translations the OT was translated from the LXX. The OT in some bibles was translated from the MT, but uses the LXX version of verses in some cases. An example of this is a bible version (forget the exact name; Tanach or something like that) published by the Jewish Publication Society that is translated from the MT, but uses the LXX version of Zechariah 14:5 because the evidence supports that rendering.

So if the English OT is translated from the Masoretic text, where did the translators get "Everlasting Father" from?

And surely you cannot really mean what you posted in this sentence: "The NT of course is not being translated from Greek manuscripts." What was the NT translated from then, if not Greek manuscripts?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So if the English OT is translated from the Masoretic text, where did the translators get "Everlasting Father" from?

And surely you cannot really mean what you posted in this sentence: "The NT of course is not being translated from Greek manuscripts." What was the NT translated from then, if not Greek manuscripts?

Everlasting father is in the Hebrew MT, but it's not in the Greek LXX.

Sorry I forgot a comma and the language is a little awkward. Should read "The NT of course is not (translated from the MT), being (instead) translated from Greek manuscripts."

 

[DavidLamb]

Everlasting father is in the Hebrew MT, but it's not in the Greek LXX.

Sorry I forgot a comma and the language is a little awkward. Should read "The NT of course is not (translated from the MT), being (instead) translated from Greek manuscripts."

Thanks, that makes much more sense!

 

[Godsgood]

Perhaps , the most common questions of the Bible believers.
If Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

*Why he was talking frequently to his father?
LUKE 23:34
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
LUKE 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

* Why Jesus said that he come from the Father and even claimed that he is the Son of God?
JOHN 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
JOHN 10:36
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

*And why there was a time that he thanks his Father?
MATTHEW 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

 

[Godsgood]

Perhaps , the most common questions of the Bible believers.
If Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

*Why he was talking frequently to his father?
LUKE 23:34
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
LUKE 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

* Why Jesus said that he come from the Father and even claimed that he is the Son of God?
JOHN 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
JOHN 10:36
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

*And why there was a time that he thanks his Father?
MATTHEW 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Another verse is.
*Why Jesus said to Mary Magdalene that he has a Father and he has a God.
JOHN 2017
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

 

[Godsgood]

Another verse is.
*Why Jesus said to Mary Magdalene that he has a Father and he has a God.
JOHN 2017
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

We can't deny the Truth of the verses given that Jesus is a Son of God.
In fact we can present more verses to prove that Jesus is a Son of God.

Likewise we can't also deny the verses given previously that Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

JOHN 8:56-58
JOHN 10:30
JOHN 14:8-9
LUKE 23:42-43
ISAIAH 43:10-11
JOHN 8:24
JOHN 9:38
REVELATION 17:14
REVELATION 19:16

Does it mean that Jesus is The Everlasting Father and at the same time he is the Son of God?

 

[Godsgood]

We can't deny the Truth of the verses given that Jesus is a Son of God.
In fact we can present more verses to prove that Jesus is a Son of God.

Likewise we can't also deny the verses given previously that Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

JOHN 8:56-58
JOHN 10:30
JOHN 14:8-9
LUKE 23:42-43
ISAIAH 43:10-11
JOHN 8:24
JOHN 9:38
REVELATION 17:14
REVELATION 19:16

Does it mean that Jesus is The Everlasting Father and at the same time he is the Son of God?

If Jesus is the Everlasting Father that manifest or seen in the Flesh according to Paul in 1 Timothy 3:16.

Is it possible that Jesus is also the Son of God?

1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[DavidLamb]

If Jesus is the Everlasting Father that manifest or seen in the Flesh according to Paul in 1 Timothy 3:16.

Is it possible that Jesus is also the Son of God?

1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It's not only possible, it is stated in the bible, including the record of the conversation between Jesus Himself and the high priest:

“60 And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 61 But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”” (Mr 14:60-62 NKJV)

 

[Godsgood]

If Jesus is the Everlasting Father that manifest or seen in the Flesh according to Paul in 1 Timothy 3:16.

Is it possible that Jesus is also the Son of God?

1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

If Jesus is The Everlasting Father and at the same time He is the Son of God.

Let us take this verse when Simon Peter recognized Jesus.
Peter mentioned that Jesus is The CHRIST = SAVIOR (Isaiah 43:10-11) = FATHER and THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

Therefore: Jesus in his 1 body is playing 2 roles.
Role of the Father and Role of the Son.

MATTHEW 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

Because Jesus and The Father are One:
“Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.” (John 14:8-10) and,
“Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began I have revealed you[a] to the ones you gave me from this world. They were always yours. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word.7 Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you, for I have passed on to them the message you gave me. They accepted it and know that I came from you, and they believe you sent me. I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. (John 17:5-8, 21)

 

[Godsgood]

If Jesus is The Everlasting Father and at the same time He is the Son of God.

Let us take this verse when Simon Peter recognized Jesus.
Peter mentioned that Jesus is The CHRIST = SAVIOR (Isaiah 43:10-11) = FATHER and THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

Therefore: Jesus in his 1 body is playing 2 roles.
Role of the Father and Role of the Son.

MATTHEW 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If Jesus is The Everlasting Father (1st Role) with bunch of bible support. At the same time how he became a Son of God (2nd Role) with bunch of bible support too?
Simon Peter whose recognition to Jesus is from God the Father in Heaven.
MATTHEW 16:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.[/QUOTE]

Simon Peter also wrote the 2nd Role of Jesus as The Son of God.
According to Simon Peter that Jesus being the Son of God served as model to show the way.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: