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Who is a Jew?
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Yes it is.
As for the Jews, some will come now (and have been), and many more shall come during the Tribulation period. I think the Fulness of the Gentiles is happening now and will culminate with the Rapture. It seems that most who come to the Lord after the Rapture will be Jews. Most of the Gentiles had already made up their minds. It is obvious that the Judaizers could come now if they choose to, but many are stubborn and will wait till the Trib/Time of Jacobs Trouble.
Repentance is not a work. It is a choice to turn from darkness to the light.
i like how you conveniently left out Verses 9-13 so we understand this is really about Jacob and Esau. i would not mention that either if i was trying to cherry pick certain Verses for a false premise. i've always been one to read the Verses BEFORE and AFTER because that's where the TRUTH is actually told.
He is a controversial Pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church, known for his unusual stands on certain topics through preaching and documentaries. Hated by many, I find many of his sermons a great tool for learning.......which has caused all of the controversies you have witnessed here. Be well.Who is "Anderson" and what does he teach?
don't really know him but the videos posted throughout this thread are about him and his deception.Who is "Anderson" and what does he teach?
Correct. And it remains a process throughout out Christian walk in servitude to a worthy God. Much like:
Mar_4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
So you choose to turn -- a work -- but that doesn't save you. You are saved by faith in God's grace. It is a gift from Him, not something that is earned.
Romans 9
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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The meaning is this:
God is no respecter of person. It does not matter whether we be Jew or Gentile or Esau-ite or Jacob-ite. All will be held accountable for the decision they make (or neglect to make) about Jesus.
Agreed, with exception to what Paul explains in Romans 11 towards those who God chose to harden. Paul says they will be forgiven.
Still pointing those unclean fingers in others' direction, I see? Nice comment, by the way, mentioning how he conveniently left out certain verses while eluding to a "cherry-picking" accusation you cannot possibly prove.....yet you did anyway. Being the kind and thoughtful person I am, I decided to provide them for you seeing you did not yourself (perhaps out of slothfulness?). You are very welcome!
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always. (Hmmmm ALWAY)
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Well, as you can see (and hopefully read with comprehension and discernment), perhaps you will enlighten us all with why these particular verses mean so much to you that the lack of them provokes such unacceptable behavior. Expound for us, the unlearned and lowly, please, your vast knowledge of meaning contained within the verses our seemingly simple minds are lacking.
If you can!
we know it was the religious leaders who crucified Jesus. they were definitely hardened. but every year the High Priest made offering and if Israel was full of unrepented sin the High Priest would die. we don't read where that happened pertaining to the Jews before Jesus began His Ministry. So they were still saved. God just hardened their hearts to reject Christ as the Messiah.
show me one single High Priest during the entire life of Christ that went into the Holy of Holies and died? Israel was SAVED, just some were hardened to reject Christ. but they will be forgiven once the Fullness of the Gentiles end. Paul explains this in Romans 11.
Explain your assertion "they will be forgiven once the fullness of the Gentiles end" if possible. Put it here for all to see, because there in lies, what I am sure divides us. So please, proceed!
Paul said ALL Israel will be saved.
first of all, show me one High Priest during the life of Christ that died in the Holy of Holies?
if you can't, which i know you can't, that means those Jews were SAVED by the offering made in the Holy of Holies.
Paul said God gave a partial hardening. they are SAVED but still hardened to reject Christ.
as a Gentile i do back flips over that because I am SAVED by that hardening and rejection that led to the Crucifixion!
Thats right. It is something that is chosen. All must come to the light.
John 3:21
“But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”