Who is a Jew?

[kaylagrl]

I owe you no explanation, answer, or even response, for that matter.

Which is why I wonder why you keep answering. But if you're going to keep talking I figured I try and get past blowin' at the fur and get to the hide of your anger and emotion.

The claims I presented in my last retort...obtain the answers as best as you can without my aide.

See you want to keep talking with no answer given back. You're a right fighter, I get it. You give this emotional, angry response to anyone who disagrees with you. Not just me.

I don't want to hear from you again..........ever. Now have a pleasant day.

And yet you continue to answer back. smh The issue here is your hate has blinded you as badly as the Jews have been blinded. You see I've dealt with people who wrap their hate with the Gospel and that to me is more insidious than being a flat out racist because you're hiding your bias while pretending to a Christ follower, that is what Anderson is doing. Why would you want to associate yourself with someone like him? It's dumbfounding.


p.s. The fact that you refuse to answer about the Holocaust is confounding. It should be the easiest thing in the world to answer. I wonder why you will not?

 

[kaylagrl]

That blinding was an indirect result of their own actions...

Romans 1:21

“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.”

But that's not what Romans 11 says.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You are right, but what some fail to see is that even though the Jews were blinded, Jesus had a large following of Jews (that apparently were not blinded because many were martyred for Christ). So, that "blindness" is just a crutch. We see many so-called Jews coming to Christ now as Messianic Jews and some Jews as Christians with no affiliation to Judaism at all. I would like for someone to explain "blindness" and hardened hearts on their part if they can. Thanks for the comment. Again, I agree fully.

Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a (([[partial]])) hardening has come upon Israel until the [[fullness of the Gentiles]] has come in;

Paul explains not every Jew was blinded. God still used the Jews to spread the Gospel so not every Jew could be blinded/hardened.

 

[kaylagrl]

if it weren't for the blinding and hardening, and if the Jews were in accordance with God, they surely would have not killed Jesus.

if they did not kill Jesus, we would not be saved.

so it's a good thing God blinded and hardened them. and makes better sense why God will have Mercy upon them when the Fullness of the Gentiles has finished.

Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

I don't understand why people do not get these verses, it's so simple. But they refuse to see. They want the church to get all the blessings and the Jews get all the curses.

Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

And yet people with these views, like Anderson, seem to blatantly ignore this warning. Seems the Jews aren't the only ones blinded. smh

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

I don't understand why people do not get these verses, it's so simple. But they refuse to see. They want the church to get all the blessings and the Jews get all the curses.

Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

And yet people with these views, like Anderson, seem to blatantly ignore this warning. Seems the Jews aren't the only ones blinded. smh

Agreed!

but if the Jews remained faithful and did not sin like they did would God have made a provision for the Gentiles?

 

[oyster67]

if it weren't for the blinding and hardening, and if the Jews were in accordance with God, they surely would have not killed Jesus.

They were envious and hateful birds.

Romans 3
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just

No one was railroaded into crucifying Jesus. All will give account.

if they did not kill Jesus, we would not be saved.

The point is that they did, and they did it because they chose to. Just like they chose to stop their ears.

This sympathy for the Devil and his children is a sad and lame thing. We are all born in sin and none is without excuse before their Maker.


Psalms 2:12
“Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

it's a good thing God blinded and hardened them.

It's a sad thing that they botched their own eternity and that people accuse God of neglecting to give them a freewill choice. I have shown clearly, many times, that they rejected Him before they became deaf and blind.

God will have Mercy upon them when the Fullness of the Gentiles has finished.

God will have no mercy on anyone who rejected His only Begotten. There is only one Door. There is no other way. No one will be given a free pass as a reward for crucifying Jesus. This is a doctrine of devils.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

They were envious and hateful birds

Agreed!

No one was railroaded into crucifying Jesus. All will give account.

Agreed!

The point is that they did, and they did it because they chose to. Just like they chose to stop their ears.

where does the hardness come into effect?
if God hardens you how can you do anything else?

This sympathy for the Devil and his children is a sad and lame thing. We are all born in sin and none is without excuse before their Maker.

who has sympathy?
Either Paul is telling the truth or he is a liar? if he is a liar why are we still reading anything he wrote labelled as the Inspired Word of God?

It's a sad thing that they botched their own eternity and that people accuse God of neglecting to give them a freewill choice. I have shown clearly, many times, that they rejected Him before they became deaf and blind.

Paul says they will be saved. is he lying?

you don't know exactly when they became deaf and blind and neither do i. i would imagine well before Christ was born.

God will have no mercy on anyone who rejected His only Begotten. There is only one Door. There is no other way. No one will be given a free pass as a reward for crucifying Jesus. This is a doctrine of devils.

and still Paul says ALL of Israel will be saved.

is Paul lying?

 

[RichGladden]

Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a (([[partial]])) hardening has come upon Israel until the [[fullness of the Gentiles]] has come in;

Paul explains not every Jew was blinded. God still used the Jews to spread the Gospel so not every Jew could be blinded/hardened.

Thank you for your comment. Were it not for such opposition and lack of patience, I could have explained it better by saying both, but I felt no need with such scrutiny from those that knew less than I (who still have a long way to go). But I do thank you and hope a blessed night for you.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thank you for your comment. Were it not for such opposition and lack of patience, I could have explained it better by saying both, but I felt no need with such scrutiny from those that knew less than I (who still have a long way to go). But I do thank you and hope a blessed night for you.

if you were able to explain this in a way we could understand then you would not be on a website but teaching to your own flock.

either way, it comes down to was Paul telling the truth ALL Israel will be saved or is he lying?

 

[kaylagrl]

if you were able to explain this in a way we could understand then you would not be on a website but teaching to your own flock.

either way, it comes down to was Paul telling the truth ALL Israel will be saved or is he lying?

And that's where the rubber meets the road. They can't answer, their bias won't let them. Sad.

 

[RichGladden]

They were envious and hateful birds.

Romans 3
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just

No one was railroaded into crucifying Jesus. All will give account.

Psalms 2:12
“Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

Psalms 2:12 is another great verse!
I think I can learn a lot from you. So far is seems we are on the same page. It just bothers me that some can take 1 chapter and form a doctrine out of it that is opposite of what the rest of the Bible teaches.

 

[RichGladden]

if you were able to explain this in a way we could understand then you would not be on a website but teaching to your own flock.

either way, it comes down to was Paul telling the truth ALL Israel will be saved or is he lying?

Paul is telling the truth. Israel will ALL be saved, but not all of Isreal will be saved. All Jews will be saved but not all Jews will be saved. When you understand that, you will understand: both" answer, and we can move on, or perhaps blindness is on more than the Jews. I understand it perfectly.

 

[oyster67]

if God hardens you how can you do anything else?

Romans 1:28
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”

There comes a point of no return for every living soul on this celestial ball.
It will come at the end of our lives if it does not come before.

Either Paul is telling the truth or he is a liar?

Paul is telling the truth. There is only one way and Paul never suggested another.

Paul says they will be saved. is he lying?

Some will confess, repent, and follow Jesus during the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
Paul is not lying. That is a given.

you don't know exactly when they became deaf and blind and neither do i. i would imagine well before Christ was born.

This is not difficult. A man becomes deaf when He stops his ears, and he becomes blind when he shuts his eyes.

and still Paul says ALL of Israel will be saved.

is Paul lying?

No. Not every man of Jewish descent will be saved. I think we all know that this is not the meaning.
All the Church will be saved also. That does not mean that every man of gentile descent will be saved.

When the Jews boasted of their bloodline, Jesus notified them of who their true Father was.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

this is still FUTURE EVENTS to happen.

Isa 19:24 In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth,
Isa 19:25 whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.”

the FUTURE God's inheritance is ISRAEL and it speaks of the NATION

so Paul aligns up with Isaiah.

but is Isaiah and Paul lying since some believe the Jews are condemned for HELL?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Paul is telling the truth. Israel will ALL be saved, but not all of Isreal will be saved. All Jews will be saved but not all Jews will be saved. When you understand that, you will understand: both" answer, and we can move on, or perhaps blindness is on more than the Jews. I understand it perfectly.

Paul speaks of both the seed of Abraham (people) and the Nation will be saved.
Romans 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved,

so which ones aren't saved?

Paul includes both ALL people and Nation of Israel will be saved.

 

[oyster67]

Psalms 2:12 is another great verse!
I think I can learn a lot from you. So far is seems we are on the same page. It just bothers me that some can take 1 chapter and form a doctrine out of it that is opposite of what the rest of the Bible teaches.

Psalms 2:12
“Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”



It clear and obvious that hate and envy were what motivated their actions...

John 15:25
“But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.”

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Romans 1:28
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”

There comes a point of no return for every living soul on this celestial ball.
It will come at the end of our lives if it does not come before.



Paul is telling the truth. There is only one way and Paul never suggested another.



Some will confess, repent, and follow Jesus during the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
Paul is not lying. That is a given.



This is not difficult. A man becomes deaf when He stops his ears, and he becomes blind when he shuts his eyes.



No. Not every man of Jewish descent will be saved. I think we all know that this is not the meaning.
All the Church will be saved also. That does not mean that every man of gentile descent will be saved.

When the Jews boasted of their bloodline, Jesus notified them of who their true Father was.

Paul speaks of both the seed of Abraham (people) and the Nation will be saved.
Romans 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved,

so which ones aren't saved?

Paul includes both ALL people and Nation of Israel will be saved.

 

[RichGladden]

if you were able to explain this in a way we could understand then you would not be on a website but teaching to your own flock.

either way, it comes down to was Paul telling the truth ALL Israel will be saved or is he lying?

I guess this is partial blindness as well?

Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Joh 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
Joh 12:42 NEVERTHELESS among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

 

[oyster67]

Paul speaks of both the seed of Abraham (people) and the Nation will be saved.
Romans 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved,

so which ones aren't saved?

Paul includes both ALL people and Nation of Israel will be saved.

Romans 2
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I guess this is partial blindness as well?

Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Joh 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
Joh 12:42 NEVERTHELESS among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

doesn't partial hardness/blindness mean SOME will Believe and SOME will not?