Concerning ISRAEL ONLY - I was ONLY speaking of the WALL that will be around the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation 21.
ALL NATIONS, TONGUES and PEOPLE will be in the New Jerusalem, but NOT the WALL.
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Concerning ISRAEL ONLY - I was ONLY speaking of the WALL that will be around the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation 21.
ALL NATIONS, TONGUES and PEOPLE will be in the New Jerusalem, but NOT the WALL.
Sin can bring about spiritual blindness as it can the reprobate mind mentioned in Romans 1:28.
" Greek word: adokimos. A negative word that, in addition to meaning reprobate, also means “cast away,” “reject,” “not withstanding a test,” or “unfit.”
" Greek word: adokimos. A negative word that, in addition to meaning reprobate, also means “cast away,” “reject,” “not withstanding a test,” or “unfit.”
It literally says that Israel (12 Tribes) and Christians (12 Apostles) will BOTH be on the Wall.
Revelation 21:12-14
New King James Version
12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb
At he remnant of the Jews is the early church that accepted Jesus immediately and then afterwards. Jesus disciples are the remnant of Israel brother.
The term remnant speaks of those God would spare from the destruction of Jerusalem and the besiegement of Jerusalem and it’s desolation long promised in the ot
this is the fate of Israel
“Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.
And I will lay the dead carcases of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars.
In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.
And the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries. And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols: and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations.( that’s the remnant of Israel a tenth of them would be spared from the abomination of desolation )
And they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! for they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence. He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish my fury upon them.
Then shall ye know that I am the LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols.
So will I stretch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate, yea, more desolate than the wilderness toward Diblath, in all their habitations: and they shall know that I am the LORD.”
Ezekiel 6:2-14 KJV
that’s why thier temple was destroyed almost 2000 years ago they are desolate the city of Jerusalem isn’t where God is worshipped anymore it’s desolate there’s no temple , no preisthood the Israelites that accepted Jesus thier promised messiah is the remnant delivered from the curse of the Old Testament
Once Jesus rose both Jew and gentile have been converting it’s going to be hat way always until Jesus returns. It’s this
“For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:11-13 KJV
This is a really important part to read before chapter ten and eleven
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
It’s important to understand what he’s saying being born of Israeli flesh and blood doesn’t make you an Israelite to God
Being born of the spirit of Jesus Christ makes you an Israelite to God regardless of your flesh and blood
This is how Israel is born and this is the only way it doesn’t matter if you were a Jew before this or a gentile makes no difference in any way
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 27-29 KJV
see you can be an Israelite by blood and flesh and it doesn’t make you an Israelite to God
“They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
The seed of Abraham is israel not the seed of Abram Jacob , but the seed of abraham father of many nations is israel
There’s no salvation in the covenant of the flesh israel it’s all in th new covenant given to israel and then the remnant went out and preached to all the nations they were scattered into
to define a flesh Jew brother it means they are adherent and even beholden to the law of Moses Israel’s old covenant
to define Israel in the New Testament is easy it’s anyone that’s born of the spirit of Jesus Christ the seed of Abraham and father of many nations
In other words Gods israel is born here and all of Israel will be saved
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-
all israel is defined by all believers in Christ the seed of Abraham by the gospel
No one can be saved by any other means or because of any other covenant in the end the only people that will remain are those who accept the gospel and are born of Jesus Christs spirit ( the seed of Abraham ….israel )
So your talking about the gates of entry ? Attended by angels and having the names of the twelve tribes of israel then ? and founded upon the names of Jesus twelve apostles ?
“and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Revelation 21:12, 14
What is your point about the wall ? It’s founded upon the witness of the apostles and prophets of the ot to the twelve tribes of israel of whom the twelve apostles of Jesus were chosen.
it’s one group of people now there is no more dividing wall between Jew and gentile gentiles are now called into the covenant made by the messiah with Israel in the gospel. Whoever believes becomes part of his new nation whether they were israel before or not now this is how they become part of the covenant with Israel no matter if they are male or female black or white Jew or gentile
This is like the circumcision was in the pattern of the old covenant it marks us as Gods chosen people Israel born of the seed of Abraham by faith
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
Israel is the son of God as foretold in the pattern of the ot
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
The promises to israel in the ot pertaining to the promised messiah the son of God , are what the church is made of its all Of our holy scripture and witness of Jesus Christ and the gospel
When we get baptized into Christ we’re getting baptized into Gods son , the true nation of Israel the true seed of Abraham , the body of Jesus Christ the worldwide church of believers over the past twenty generations or so whether Jew or gentile are the elect of God and one fold of people even including those faithful of the Old Testament israel who God raised up with Christ.
At he thing is people aren’t looking at where the kingdom of God and new Jerusalem according to the new doctrine on the gospel for everyone in the world. What’s happened between Jew and gentile is this
The ot law seperated abrams flesh seed from everyone else it excluded people by flesh and blood but they became as wicked as everyone else and so now this has happened spoken to include the gentiles of the church as well as to inform and humble the Jews of the church as to not think higher of themselves than the “ unclean and uncircumcised gentile “
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you ( gentiles ) which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. ( Israel )
For through him we both ( Jew and gentile ) have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
( the concluding understanding we take from this we have become citizens of and with Israel by faith )
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
Remember he’s talking to gentiles he’s telling the gentiles “ before Christ came you gentiles were alienated from the covenants of God not having circumcision of the right blood , but now you were baptized into Christ by his israelite blood you belong to Gods family
that’s what this is bout
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
abraham is the father of israel through Jesus not through Jacob and gathered from all nations not only from Israel israel is the worldwide church of Jesus Christ whether they used to be a Jew or gentile before doesn’t matter israel is being saved daily because it’s anyone that believes in Jesus the son they are the children of God
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
It’s like being clothed with Gods son New Testament sign of circumcision ( inclusion )
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:10-12 KJV
My point is the wall in the kingdom has a made of tbe sotnesses of the new and Old Testament people of God anyone belonging to God by Jesus Christ is considered israel in his sight being baptized into the seed of Abraham recognized as Abraham’s seed of promise and the hiers of the kingdom
God is not yet finished with the Jews.
Revelation 12:14
“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
Revelation 12:14
“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
Peter says it was "according to God's predeterminate plan" they were meant to do it.
the fact is the multitudes did believe in Him ... it was the leaders who rejected Him and stirred the people up .... after the cross they flocked back to the apostles.
They are elect as a nation, made to fall as a nation and they shall rise again as a nation.
Those that are the true Israel.
How do you explain that all of Israel are not of Israel? Only Isaac is the promise...that is through the supernatural and spiritual work of God...not in Ishmael who represents the natural man.
Who will be accepted but those who were rejected according to Romans 11? who will be come to a fulness but they who were diminished? who will be received but those who were cast away?
They are Paul teaches enemies of the gospel FOR OUR SAKES but according to ELECTION beloved of God for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and call of God [he goes on ] are without repentance.
All Israel will be saved says Paul. Now whatever Paul means by all maybe debatable but it sounds like more than a few.
Beloved by God eh?
It was the children of Isaac [to whom great promises were made yet to be fulfilled] who rejected Christ who Paul teaches will be received.
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above,
not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13, 16 KJV
“..and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God
Revelation 3:12
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
The earth we know is doomed to destruction , new jerusalem is the city in heaven and israel are the people in heaven who were saved by Jesus and the gospel Into his heavenly kingdom that will one day restore a new earth after the end of this world israel is already being restored in heaven
It has to end because of the breaking of the old covenant by Israel
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:
Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 17,
What Jesus is doing in heaven now is going to one day return to a new earth but this one has to end first there’s no resurrection for any earthly nation just the people who live and die
all of thier promises regarded Jesus and the gospel He came to raise them back up to life
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 49:6
consider what this says
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.( Israel and the early prophets )
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. ( Israel and the latter messianic prophets )
But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( Jesus the promised messiah the prophets were foretelling ) saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
israel received the gospel first that’s how they would be saved and restored into the better promises most of them would reject the gospel and a remnant would receive the gospel and spread it across the world like they did
all Israel’s salvation isn’t talking about everyone born an Israelite by thier flesh and blood it’s whomis born of Jesus spirit regardless of thier flesh and blood they have faith and are baptized into his flesh and blood making them a true israelite by the spirit and not the corrupt flesh
You misunderstand. Isaac's birth was supernatural to show that becoming a child of God is a supernatural event...that's what it means to be born again. Thus, it's not his physical decendents that are heirs but those supernaturally born...born from above, not of the flesh.